[HN Gopher] The Banality of Genius: Notes on Peter Jackson's Get...
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       The Banality of Genius: Notes on Peter Jackson's Get Back
        
       Author : kkwteh
       Score  : 86 points
       Date   : 2022-01-28 10:56 UTC (12 hours ago)
        
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       | verisimi wrote:
       | There are surely intelligent and capable people, but I tend to
       | think the term 'genius' is used when there is a branding exercise
       | being undertaken.
        
       | WalterBright wrote:
       | > using a show to perform songs from the album they just made is
       | what ANY NORMAL BAND WOULD DO. But no. John and Paul get together
       | before Christmas and decide they have to create a whole album's
       | worth of new songs,
       | 
       | That kind of struck me. I save all my presentations, so I can use
       | them again. But I never do, I always gotta make a new one.
        
       | gumby wrote:
       | I'm actually not a huge fan of the Beatles* but wow, I really
       | enjoyed this essay.
       | 
       | * I think it's because they are simply _so good_ (an the sense
       | explained in this essay) that I just heard them too much over the
       | last 50+ years and they have become as much a universal cultural
       | cliche as, say, Shakespeare. I have certainly listened to them a
       | lot, with pleasure, but not so much in the past couple of
       | decades.
        
         | WalterBright wrote:
         | One can get tired of hearing any song, no matter how good,
         | after listening to it too many times.
         | 
         | This fatigue cannot be cured by decades of not hearing it.
        
         | lapetitejort wrote:
         | > they have become as much a universal cultural cliche
         | 
         | Same thing happened to me when I first listened to U2's Joshua
         | Tree and Fleetwood Mac's Rumours. The first halves just sound
         | like Greatest Hits records. But nope, they're just so
         | ubiquitous that I've already heard half the album through
         | cultural osmosis.
        
           | js2 wrote:
           | Bono doesn't think he's a very good singer.
           | 
           | https://www.vulture.com/2022/01/bono-embarrassed-by-u2.html
        
             | sockpuppet69 wrote:
        
             | AutumnCurtain wrote:
             | Ironic nickname, then ("Bono Vox" being the original form)
        
       | WalterBright wrote:
       | I find it implausible that 4 school chums from Liverpool turned
       | out to be musical geniuses. It's much more plausible that they
       | were reasonably smart, really loved music, and worked very hard
       | learning to play. Once one learns to play well, moving into
       | composition is a natural step.
       | 
       | It's unsurprising that the Beatles' music they created as a group
       | was better than what they did afterwards (much better). After
       | all, if you're John Lennon, who is going to tell you your latest
       | song sux, and btw, here's an improvement to it? Nobody but a
       | fellow Beatle.
        
         | cammikebrown wrote:
         | So why aren't there a bunch of bands like the Beatles? Are you
         | saying nobody worked as hard as them? They were only together
         | less than a decade.
        
       | grujicd wrote:
       | If you ever played in a band, even if it's a middle-aged-friends-
       | with-minimal-talent one, you'll enjoy Get Back immensely. It
       | looks so real. Even if you weren't in a band, but in some other
       | kind of a team of peers, you'll enjoy how group dynamics plays
       | out. I still didn't manage to watch part 3, but first two are
       | pure gold.
        
         | cm2012 wrote:
         | Part 3 is the payoff!! You've got to watch the rooftop concert.
        
         | tomcam wrote:
         | There's just nothing like getting into a groove when you're in
         | a band.
        
       | tomcam wrote:
       | Beatles fan since 1963 here. Easily the best thing I've ever read
       | about them. All the mind-reading, which I generally hate in
       | profiles like this, is pretty well justified by context. For
       | anyone creative, Peter Jackson's "Get Back" can be both
       | heartening and devastating: the former because it reminds you
       | that a lot of creativity is sweat equity, and the latter because
       | holy shit, they just had it like no one else.
        
       | klelatti wrote:
       | If you enjoyed this then there is a good chance you will also
       | enjoy Ian Leslie's '64 Reasons to Celebrate Paul McCartney', one
       | of my favourite reads of 2020.
       | 
       | https://ianleslie.substack.com/p/64-reasons-to-celebrate-pau...
        
       | aidepast wrote:
       | They were blue-collar artists. They just tried. They did not wait
       | for ideal conditions. Solomon in Ecclesiastes 11 preaches such
       | wisdom. They planted seeds without bothering to check the
       | weather. Some of their seeds sprouted anyway, while those who
       | waited for perfect weather, never planted at all, and grew
       | nothing.
       | 
       | "Genius" is just practice, and deliberate at that. You don't see
       | it. It's not some dramatic characteristic that you see in Paul
       | McCartney, or whoever; No, John Nash was not intensely examining
       | numbers and equations as they were dramatically floating around
       | him like in "A Beautiful Mind". He did exactly what you do, only
       | without the neuroticism; without the time-wasting; without the
       | rumination.
       | 
       | Just plant the damned seeds. See what happens. Stop wasting your
       | time ruminating. Imagine if Bach, or Da Vinci, Palestrina, Van
       | Gogh, or Von Neumann decided to wait, and wait, until everything
       | was just right, before they begin their studies/work. Nobody
       | today would recognize those names. You would not be able to
       | listen to Missa Papae Marcelli. It would just not exist. These
       | people would be called "workaholics" today, an incredibly
       | unfortunate term. Bach wrote over 1,000 pieces in his career. Van
       | Gogh has over 900 paintings in less than 10 years.
       | 
       | As far as I can see at this point, "geniuses" are simply people
       | who do not waste their time. Q3/Q4 of the Eisenhower Matrix is
       | another planet to them. They live on the "Important" row, and
       | they utilize that time.
       | 
       | To tie this into the HN community - think of the people who "want
       | to learn to program" and yet they spend all of their time
       | ruminating on which book to read, or language to learn, et
       | cetera.
        
         | klelatti wrote:
         | It's a necessary but not sufficient condition. Not everyone who
         | works as hard as the Beatles achieves what they did.
        
           | nickff wrote:
           | > _" Not everyone who works as hard as the Beatles achieves
           | what they did."_
           | 
           | Definitely true that they had a remarkable result, but I
           | don't know of anyone who actually works/worked that hard and
           | 'failed' (by any reasonable definition). Most people tend to
           | dramatically overstate their persistence and work ethic.
        
           | aidepast wrote:
           | It's a small club. Yes, luck is always involved, and you are
           | not in control. Luck hits you. When the lightning strikes,
           | you're either ready or you are not. The problem is that most
           | people seem to behave in an exact opposite manner. They waste
           | their life, waiting for luck to swoop them off of their feet.
           | This is definitely wrong. You prepare yourself for when these
           | opportunities decide to reveal themselves.
           | 
           | It's like saying "I'm not going to begin to exercise and
           | attract a partner until I meet them first" - a recipe for
           | failure. You must become the attractive person, and then,
           | when they happen to enter your life, you attract them.
           | 
           | I apologize. I'm riffing.
        
             | klelatti wrote:
             | Please don't apologise - very well put and I agree
             | completely.
             | 
             | The fact that the work is necessary is what most people
             | overlook. I just worry a little that if we expect too much
             | then that itself can be a barrier to sustainably putting
             | the effort in.
             | 
             | It's OK to work hard and achieve a modest amount. We should
             | take pleasure in what we do achieve.
        
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         | champagnois wrote:
         | I agree with you. This is a big part of my current philosophy
         | of life. Do and read and learn.
        
         | WalterBright wrote:
         | I recall a fellow employee said he wanted to get into
         | programming, and what should he do? I suggested he pick up the
         | manual, read it, and start programming.
         | 
         | Needless to say, he did nothing of the sort, and the world
         | passed him by.
        
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