[HN Gopher] Message in a bottle from Scottish girl found in Norw...
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       Message in a bottle from Scottish girl found in Norway after 25
       years
        
       Author : LinuxBender
       Score  : 48 points
       Date   : 2022-01-28 20:30 UTC (2 days ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.bbc.co.uk)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.bbc.co.uk)
        
       | teh_infallible wrote:
       | I had a Danish roommate whose friend found a message in a bottle
       | on a beach in Denmark. It was written in Swedish, and it said,
       | "Fucking Danes"
        
         | progre wrote:
         | I imagine it probably said "Danskjavlar". Just some neighborly
         | love from across the strait.
        
       | technothrasher wrote:
       | I wrote a message in a bottle when I was young. I still have very
       | dim memories of being excited at the possibility that somebody in
       | another country years later would find it. According to my folks,
       | however, there were some issues. First, I was four years old and
       | couldn't write, and second, I threw the bottle into a small pond.
       | But my parents didn't want to dampen my enthusiasm at the time.
        
         | koolba wrote:
         | I had a similar experience at the beach around 6 or 7 but it
         | ended with me getting yelled at by some surfers for littering.
        
         | sshine wrote:
         | What, ponds don't have edges?
         | 
         | An interpretation: Being told the details as a grown-up, you're
         | the finder of that bottle. Probably not many would appreciate
         | the drawing you did as much as you can appreciate being
         | enriched with the memory of yourself as a kid.
        
         | agumonkey wrote:
         | heh, beside the joke, I remember being utterly excited just
         | seeing people talk over long distance ham radio by using
         | atmospheric reflections.. someone in california randomly
         | bumping into a russia far of Siberia after minutes of white
         | noise.. super eerie.
        
       | imoverclocked wrote:
       | I love when I do something that comes back around years later
       | after I've almost completely forgotten it. Probably my coolest
       | version of this was on a popular run/race in Arizona where I
       | bumped into someone who remembered a software project I did a
       | decade earlier. As I finished a segment, they gave me a high five
       | and left a bewildered but soon amused runner behind.
        
       | Rphad wrote:
       | The dog :(
        
       | vmception wrote:
       | > found bottle in 2020
       | 
       | > The Norwegian sent a Facebook message for Joanna, but the
       | former Peterhead schoolgirl did not spot it until Monday [January
       | 2022]
       | 
       | This pretty much sums up Facebook/Instagram inboxes.
        
         | tempestn wrote:
         | It feels somehow significant that the Facebook reply ended up
         | being its own message in a bottle.
        
           | vmception wrote:
           | Savage. But accurate. We should start making articles about
           | that. Person checks their nested nested spam, other inbox on
           | Facebook and finds endearing highly relevant message from the
           | turn of the decade.
        
       | iso1631 wrote:
       | Look how neat that handwriting is. None of that nonsense scrawl
       | they introduce in KS2 now (I believe Americans call it cursive)
        
         | derbOac wrote:
         | In the US they've stopped teaching cursive, at least in some
         | areas.
        
           | TedDoesntTalk wrote:
           | In the right hands and with the right practice, cursive is
           | beautiful and a work of art.
        
             | iso1210 wrote:
             | And the rest of the time it's illegible scrawl and has no
             | place in basic education.
             | 
             | Even [0], the US declaration of independence, is horrendous
             | to read compared to this 8 year old girl's handwriting.
             | 
             | https://www.christies.com/lot/lot-declaration-of-
             | independenc...?
        
               | colechristensen wrote:
               | It is, in essence, a different dialect of writing. It is
               | not illegible, you just don't know how to read it.
               | Deposit yourself in Edinburgh, Appalachia, or rural
               | Minnesota and you'll have various levels of difficulty
               | understanding how people speak, is their speech wrong or
               | is your knowledge of their language lacking?
        
               | pcrh wrote:
               | That is perfectly legible. Many modern fonts are less
               | legible than that.
               | 
               | I am curious about the opposition to cursive script that
               | some people demonstrate, mostly in the US. In Europe
               | cursive script is the norm; block letter writing by an
               | adult is considered a mark of poor education.
        
               | retrac wrote:
               | The chancery/round hand style used in the Declaration of
               | Independence is not a style of cursive much used in the
               | last ~150 years. So it's potentially quite difficult
               | without some practice.
               | 
               | A major part of why we teach (or taught) writing cursive
               | is because it also helps teach you to _read_ cursive. You
               | may not need to write much, but until recently you would
               | encounter written cursive all the time. In my experience
               | it 's still common enough. It'd be awkward to be unable
               | to read the New Year's cards from my older relatives.
        
               | Someone wrote:
               | Apart from the low resolution of that scan, I find that
               | easy to read.
        
             | happytoexplain wrote:
             | Yes, skilled penmanship and calligraphy is wonderful. But
             | in my personal life, the majority of times I encounter
             | cursive, I can not even read the handwriting, which is, to
             | put it lightly, bad.
        
               | toast0 wrote:
               | I'm equally skilled at illegible writing in block letters
               | or cursive, thanks.
               | 
               | My third grade teacher thought I'd turn out ok, because
               | I'd have a secretary. Sadly, secretaries were out of
               | fashion by the time I graduated college.
        
               | DocTomoe wrote:
               | I find it interesting that I only ever hear that kind of
               | complaint from Americans. Here in Europe, cursive/script
               | is the basic way you learn writing, you automatically
               | transition to something other later in life ... and we
               | have zero hate for either variant.
               | 
               | As for lack of legibility: I would guess US teachers not
               | enforcing good style in preschool and elementary school
               | contribute to that.
        
               | dmix wrote:
               | I can't remember the last time I wrote anything long form
               | without a keyboard. Is that still a thing enough people
               | do to have strong opinions about this?
        
           | vmception wrote:
           | Good riddance. If people want to learn those arts they can
           | always go to the monetary with their sensei.
        
             | pcrh wrote:
             | The writing on the message isn't cursive.
        
             | tempestn wrote:
             | If we're honest, most of the actual content of the first
             | 5-7 years or so of schooling is unimportant and ultimately
             | forgotten, save for reading, writing, and basic arithmetic.
             | Ideally some basic computer use too. But it's not like
             | every moment spent on cursive writing in primary school
             | would be a moment taken away from some critical, core
             | subject. Aside from those few key building blocks, most of
             | what you're doing in early school is learning socialization
             | and 'how to learn'.
        
               | Lammy wrote:
               | Maybe forgotten in an active sense, but those years are
               | critical for instilling the passive behaviors and
               | expectations which help make us into productive human
               | resources to serve the economy as adults. Things like
               | learning not to talk until called upon, learning to ask
               | before being allowed to use the restroom or for other
               | bodily functions, learning to be identified by an ID
               | number, learning to answer a daily roll-call, learning
               | that our personal possessions will be confiscated at any
               | time, learning to walk through security checkpoints and
               | metal detectors, learning to expect the presence of a
               | School Resource Officer whose job is to perceive students
               | as a possible threat and protect the institution,
               | learning we must dress a certain way, learning to buy our
               | own school supplies necessary to complete our assigned
               | work units, learning that being poor isn't an acceptable
               | excuse for not having supplies, learning that food won't
               | be provided for free even though we're required to be be
               | at school for eight hours straight, learning it is never
               | acceptable to leave school grounds once we check in for
               | the day until officially released at the end of the day,
               | learning that disruptive individuals will be separated
               | from their entire social circle and sent to a stricter
               | alternative facility, learning that authority figures
               | will discuss you with each other behind your back and may
               | form prejudices based on gossip or on your familial
               | relations, learning how it's best to surpass our peers
               | and that we can't get the highest grade unless others
               | fail, learning not to read ahead of our current place in
               | the curriculum, learning never to read from unapproved
               | sources, learning that truth is whatever the curriculum
               | says is Officially True, learning how authority figures
               | will punish or shame us for questioning the curriculum or
               | beyond the curriculum because they are evaluated on how
               | accurately we know it and thus must defend it to survive,
               | learning how cooperation is cheating except for group
               | projects where it is instead a thing to dread, learning
               | to expect no privacy, learning to sit inside all day and
               | only have free time once the sun sets, learning to be
               | punished as a group for the actions of an individual,
               | learning to tell on our peers for gold stars from
               | authority, learning that a bell controls our daily
               | schedule but individual authority figures can decide to
               | keep us late anyway, learning to get up uncomfortably
               | early and do a daily commute, learning to survive on less
               | sleep than we need, learning we will be equally punished
               | for tardiness as for absence, learning somebody else
               | needs to write a note to acknowledge when we are sick
               | before it's believed, learning to be segregated based on
               | sex, learning to be segregated based on seniority and
               | that the oldest cohort will be regularly pushed out with
               | no say in the matter, learning we must find a clique for
               | social defense because loners are weird and deserve
               | bullying, learning how punishments are decided by
               | administrators who don't know us individually, learning
               | how rewards and punishments may be arbitrary depending on
               | social status within the microcosm of the school,
               | learning that we must also think about school in our free
               | time and use that time to prepare for what's due
               | tomorrow, learning that "extra-curricular" work is
               | basically a requirement if everyone else is doing it too,
               | learning to walk in long silent alphabetically-sorted
               | lines with our hands clasped behind our backs, etc. You
               | know, important life skills.
        
               | vmception wrote:
               | I dont want to optimize a curriculum, I dont want them to
               | bother with that. Glad to read other decision makers
               | reached the same conclusion.
        
               | tempestn wrote:
               | Personally I'm glad I learned cursive in school, even
               | though I'm terrible at it. Far more valuable than
               | learning about the various species of local turtle, or
               | 1000 other things we did in primary school that I've
               | since forgotten.
        
               | wizzwizz4 wrote:
               | Learning about a load of random stuff in primary school
               | is incredibly important. How else do children find out
               | what they're interested in?
        
         | carbocation wrote:
         | It looks like D'Nealian[1], which is designed as an
         | introduction to handwriting that facilitates learning cursive.
         | 
         | 1 = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%27Nealian
        
           | scoot wrote:
           | I have to agree - my first thought was that the writing
           | looked "pre-cursive". As a late teen I abandoned cursive in
           | favor of something that I could read.
           | 
           | These days about the only thing I write by hand is my
           | signature. It's a squiggle.
        
         | OJFord wrote:
         | Has it really changed? Or do we just not keep up with it
         | outside of/after leaving school any more? I'm a bit younger
         | than her and was certainly taught properly (in KS1, not 2, if
         | my quick search is correct that KS2 starts at form/year/grade
         | 3) - I just quite quickly stopped using it and _now_ my writing
         | is an only-half-joined-up  'nonsense scrawl'.
        
           | iso1631 wrote:
           | My kids are in year 2 and 5. Year 5 had perfectly legible
           | handwriting (not quite as good as the stuff in the image, but
           | pretty good) until they forced the joined up shit starting in
           | year 3.
           | 
           | Looking at other words on the wall confirms this is normal -
           | writing goes back severely in KS2 because of this 1960s view
           | that you have to be able to write large amounts of prose at
           | speed.
        
             | gavinray wrote:
             | I was born in 1997, I recall a faint effort being made to
             | teach us cursive in about 5th grade, but neither myself nor
             | anyone my age I know can write it.
             | 
             | I can only write print. I don't see the use for cursive,
             | and I said as much when I was 10 (I already had a personal
             | computer, if I was going to write something long it'd be
             | faster for me to type it).
        
         | oneoff786 wrote:
         | Some people, including some commenters down thread seem to
         | think cursive is about being fancy. It's not, it's an
         | efficiency play for writing faster. That's of course useless in
         | modern day with so little actual hand writing. So it's less
         | common in schools
        
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