[HN Gopher] An 8-year-old slid his handwritten book onto a libra...
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       An 8-year-old slid his handwritten book onto a library shelf
        
       Author : TruffleLabs
       Score  : 172 points
       Date   : 2022-02-02 05:08 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | RappingBoomer wrote:
       | considering all the laws in america and the current
       | misinformation 'controversy," the wrong sort of book could bring
       | legal trouble
        
       | tacLog wrote:
       | This reminds me of how instrumental just going to the library was
       | as a kid for my love of reading. It was the only place that was
       | like a store to me at the time where I could have anything I
       | wanted. It felt like a fun challenge to find as many books that I
       | might want to read as possible.
       | 
       | I wonder how we can create this experience more easily remotely.
       | There are tons of library eBook apps that are all pretty awesome,
       | but discovery of new content just isn't the same. I find myself
       | going to the library still. Or even to book stores to write down
       | interesting looking titles.
       | 
       | I know this seems like a boring problem because you can just go
       | in person then put a hold on the eBook version while you are
       | there. But there has to be a way to present a curated selection
       | of books that inspires children to:
       | 
       | - enjoy the adventure of finding a good book
       | 
       | - fosters the idea that reading unlocks knowledge or stories
       | about anything they want
       | 
       | - makes the process of sampling a book as easy as it is on
       | Amazon, or in person
       | 
       | Why? When schools are remote, or to serve children that don't
       | have a local anything nearby.
       | 
       | Does anyone know of services that provide this now or have any
       | ideas for how this would best work as an enhanced UI over say
       | Libby or overdrive, or even hoopla all of which are great for if
       | you already know what you want to read.
        
         | azalemeth wrote:
         | One of my defining memories looking around universities as a
         | 16/17-year-old was going to their libraries and being
         | _overwhelmed_ with how much knowledge there was there. Shelves
         | that showed the parallax in the rooms, where books went off
         | into the distance and motion-activated lights. As an
         | undergraduate, I worked extensively in an underground library
         | -- isolated from the world, isolated from anything but my tasks
         | at hand, and with all the knowledge one could conceivably want
         | if you could find it effectively (or, at least, that 's how it
         | felt).
         | 
         | Libgen.rs may have an unimaginably larger number of titles on
         | offer, but it's not quite the same as walking into a cathedral-
         | size store of books and looking at the weight of humanity's
         | greatest achievements staring back at you. Libraries are
         | _awesome_. We should support them, and keep supporting them, as
         | much as possible.
        
           | tacLog wrote:
           | I couldn't agree more. I have 0 desire to replace or limit
           | libraries. They are some of few places where you can feel the
           | progress of humanity in a physical space.
           | 
           | I just want to allow people who can't access libraries easily
           | to experience some of that.
        
           | wanderer_ wrote:
           | Now people at that age are used to having all of that
           | information at their fingertips and for free.
           | 
           | They say that this ease of information is causing physical
           | changes in how our brains operate.
        
         | lukewrites wrote:
         | I don't think anything compares to going in person.
         | 
         | I'm father of a 4 year old, and we live a couple of blocks from
         | the library. Seeing how his interactions with the shelves has
         | changed over the past couple of years has been really
         | interesting. At first it was enough to look at the covers and
         | spines, then he could pull himself up to the bins of board
         | books, and eventually started grabbing from the shelves
         | himself.
         | 
         | And like you, he loads up with a little bit of everything (it
         | doesn't matter what he chooses, we check it out) and we take it
         | home to read and see what sticks.
         | 
         | It's probably no surprise that one of the most exciting trips
         | he can make is driving to PDX to go to Powell's.
         | 
         | There's probably a UI genius out there with great ideas for it,
         | but I don't see how anything can beat going to a library in
         | person.
        
           | tacLog wrote:
           | I completely agree. I don't think you can fully replicate
           | this experience remotely.
           | 
           | I am just trying to imagine what you need to do to get as
           | close as possible. Maybe I make this a project happen if I
           | end up with something actionable. Maybe these ideas inspire
           | someone else, maybe they fade away into memories and do very
           | little.
           | 
           | I love the it doesn't matter what you choose you can check it
           | out part. I think it would be really important to have a
           | filter where all the books the kid can see, the kid can have
           | right now. This of course could be disabled by older kids
           | that understand sometimes there is a wait but I think for the
           | younger kids this would be an important detail.
           | 
           | I don't want to replace libraries, I want to make it so every
           | kid that has access to the internet on some device or gaming
           | platform can get 30% of that experience. Or whatever is
           | possible.
        
         | butwhywhyoh wrote:
         | This is one of those "pure HN" comments that you're almost
         | guaranteed to find here.
         | 
         | How can we take a genuinely pleasant, analog human experience,
         | strip all of the magic out of it, automate it, and make it
         | remote?
        
           | tacLog wrote:
           | Your comment made me sad to read. I don't really feel like
           | that's a fair take at all.
           | 
           | I love libraries and the experience they provide. These
           | memories are core to who I am today.
           | 
           | For me this is about access. I want every kid who doesn't
           | live near a library or who's parents don't have the time to
           | take them there to have something more than nothing.
           | 
           | I don't think that we can make it remote without taking a lot
           | of the magic out of it. But I don't think it's a bad idea to
           | talk about what we might do to try.
        
         | charcircuit wrote:
         | The internet is much better than a library. I've gone to the
         | library a handful of times and the information there typically
         | pales in component to the information that can be found on the
         | internet. The internet also has videos too which can help
         | explain concepts. Books in a library are typically old too.
         | Good luck finding a book about some new piece of software that
         | came out.
        
           | brimble wrote:
           | I've found the opposite: it's often even hard to find out
           | _that some piece of knowledge might exist_ on the Internet.
           | 
           | I think it might(?) be better for math and things like that,
           | but dig into social sciences or history or whatever, and
           | often at a _surprisingly_ shallow level you 're going to have
           | to go find some real books. eBooks fill some of the gap, but
           | lots aren't there. Some stuff is rare (very niche) and can't
           | even be found in newly-printed books, let alone online--used
           | books and libraries are it. Some special collections--again,
           | without even digging _that_ deep, sometimes--become necessary
           | and would require international travel to pursue (depending
           | on where you live).
           | 
           | It's not hard to poke around a decent used book store or
           | university library and find information that's simply nowhere
           | online.
        
           | tacLog wrote:
           | Sure, I don't go to libraries to find anything about code or
           | even computers. I go to find old fantasy series and enjoy the
           | physicality of the library.
           | 
           | I would say the internet is almost always better at
           | everything non-fiction for adults. But I am talking about 4-8
           | year olds here mostly, and by extension anyone older that
           | wants some of the library experience.
        
           | shuntress wrote:
           | Really, the libraries' contents are just a significantly more
           | difficult-to-search part of the deep web.
        
           | reaperducer wrote:
           | Why would you limit yourself to the information that is on
           | the internet when the vast majority of the world's
           | information (and music, and video, etc.) is elsewhere?
        
           | the_af wrote:
           | The tactile experience of a library or even a bookstore
           | cannot be replicated by the internet or ebooks.
           | 
           | It is indeed something wondrous for little kids... and
           | adults.
        
         | myself248 wrote:
         | Take the kid to a physical library a few times. I think the
         | visceral experience of the vastness really has to be
         | experienced by our spatial-relation lizard-brains. Explain the
         | "anything you want, but only a few at a time" concept. Nurture
         | the kid-in-a-candy-store wonder.
         | 
         | Then take them to the most impressive library you can feasibly
         | drive to. Universities spring to mind. Let that awe really sink
         | in. See if you can get a librarian to talk to the kid for a few
         | minutes about why _they_ personally think this is important.
         | 
         | THEN introduce ebooks, gutenberg, archive.org, apps, etc. All
         | that and then some, right here in the palm of your hand.
        
           | tacLog wrote:
           | I think you are highlighting great ways to impress upon a kid
           | the: "visceral experience of the vastness." Which is the core
           | of what I want. That's a really good way to put it by the
           | way.
           | 
           | I really like the idea of taking kids to really impressive
           | libraries as well. My parents did that for me and it really
           | did create lasting memories.
           | 
           | But I am more thinking of something that can emulate that
           | experience remotely. Your focus on the space made me thing of
           | maybe a library on Minecraft or Roblox? Maybe it can be a
           | space where you can somehow see the books in a virtual space
           | and design something that allows you to explore the
           | collections. I know this would be really hard in Minecraft
           | and I don't know how hard this would be in roblox. But I
           | really like this idea because it would be easy to create,
           | easier to maintain, and be a really cool thing that a teacher
           | could say take a class trip to.
           | 
           | It would be important that you where presented with a way to
           | checkout the books you found in this virtual library from a
           | real library near you that has ebooks for children. This
           | would also allow you to checkout the public works books from
           | the awesome sites you referenced instantly.
        
             | myself248 wrote:
             | Oh oh oh.
             | 
             | I think you mean https://help.archive.org/hc/en-
             | us/articles/360054148012-Brow...
        
               | tacLog wrote:
               | This is exactly the kind of tool I was hoping to find.
               | Thank you!
               | 
               | I wasn't really expecting to be having novel ideas here
               | and as usual someone built something close and someone on
               | hackernews can tell me about it.
               | 
               | This service isn't perfect and doesn't seem very kid
               | friendly to me. But it exists and is free so it's
               | something to learn from and recommend.
        
             | indigochill wrote:
             | Maybe something like this (aimed more at journalism, but
             | the virtual space is still impressive):
             | https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/18/21184041/minecraft-
             | librar...
        
               | tacLog wrote:
               | This looks really cool and is exactly along the lines of
               | what I was thinking. I will explore it later after work.
               | 
               | Thank you for linking this.
        
       | schoen wrote:
       | My elementary school had a unit (I think in third or fourth
       | grade) where each student made and illustrated a book, which was
       | then bound by the librarians and temporarily added to the school
       | library's collection, on a special shelf (for books by current
       | students). Other students could check it out during the school
       | year, and I think there was even an assignment where you were
       | expected to check out one other student's book and give some kind
       | of report or presentation about it!
       | 
       | At the end of the year, you got your own book back to keep.
       | 
       | This was a really great school project.
        
         | ericmcer wrote:
         | This is great, they should have more projects in school that
         | allow kids a chance to move from being passive participants in
         | the system to being contributors to it. I think this is a huge
         | mental barrier that gets reinforced in schools rather than
         | broken.
        
       | rambambram wrote:
       | Haha, so cool! If 6 year olds like it and there's already a
       | waiting list, he might even sell the story to Hollywood. ;)
        
         | onemoresoop wrote:
         | I really hope it doesn't get to money making but instead it
         | starts a new trend where kids make their own books and share
         | them at the library, a new special section. Let's leave money
         | outta this..
        
           | rambambram wrote:
           | I knew this kind of remark was coming, hence the smiley. ;)
        
       | geocrasher wrote:
       | Self publishing at its finest. What a great story!
        
       | steveylang wrote:
       | They should digitize it and put the ebook up on Amazon.
        
       | incomplete wrote:
       | paywall free: https://archive.is/nyf78
        
       | Waterluvian wrote:
       | I would love it if my local library had a section dedicated to
       | local amateur authors. I want my boys to see that being an author
       | is not some huge gap. You don't need a fancy book making machine
       | or publisher. Just write and share.
        
       | dhosek wrote:
       | My kids's school has creating a book a part of the curriculum
       | every year beginning in kindergarten. My son who's amazingingly
       | prolific did two books last year (he was in first grade). There
       | was one day when he was in kindergarten that we were both writing
       | at the same time. I managed to get a couple hundred words written
       | on my novel in progress. He knocked out a 750-word story
       | (dictated to his mother) that was damned amazing.
        
       | chadd wrote:
       | This is why I've supported 826LA (and the other 826 chapters),
       | started by the author Dave Eggers. Among the reading and writing,
       | tutoring and college essay writing programs they sponsor, mostly
       | focused on kids who are in homes where English is a second
       | language, they also help kids publish their own book.
       | 
       | You would be shocked to see how proud the kids are when they have
       | their very own words, in _print_ - it 's whimsical and inspiring
       | that they can accomplish anything.
        
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       | jimnotgym wrote:
       | My son used to put his books on our shelves. Imagine if I had
       | encouraged him rather than working silly hours for some future
       | that never arrived
        
         | geocrasher wrote:
         | The perfect parent doesn't exists, my friend. We all do our
         | best to provide and sometimes it works out the way we expect,
         | sometimes not. Count your successes, not your failures.
        
         | balls187 wrote:
         | Chris Rock said it best--Nobody ever says, 'Hey daddy, thanks
         | for knockin' out this rent.' 'Hey daddy, I sure love this hot
         | water.' 'Hey daddy, it's easy to read with all this light.'
        
           | triceratops wrote:
           | Kids shouldn't have to thank their parents for the basics.
           | That's what we commit to when we bring them into this world
           | (or adopt them). To use another Chris Rock phrase - "You want
           | credit for some s*** you're supposed to do?!"
        
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       | kbelder wrote:
       | My son did this to a book he wrote. Something about a moose... He
       | slid it onto the shelf at the school library, and found a year
       | later that some employee had put on a library sticker and a
       | checkout card. A couple people checked it out; it was still on
       | the shelf a few years later.
        
       | IncRnd wrote:
       | What a nice story!
       | 
       | When they create an ebook, be prepared for the next HN story to
       | discuss Dillon's book being the most pirated pdf worldwide.
        
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