[HN Gopher] That's all folks, for me anyway - Canon Rumors will ...
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       That's all folks, for me anyway - Canon Rumors will live on
        
       Author : techolic
       Score  : 55 points
       Date   : 2022-02-04 21:41 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.canonrumors.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.canonrumors.com)
        
       | ser0 wrote:
       | Since the description is pretty light. It seems Canon Rumors is a
       | site dedicated to Canon related news in the same vein as
       | MacRumors.
        
       | mercantile wrote:
       | Is anyone able to get a little more specific about the kinds of
       | "creators" he's talking about and what they do exactly which
       | drive these abuse problems?
       | 
       | I read the article, but felt like there wasn't quite enough
       | information to understand what a YouTube person does to cause
       | trouble, although I totally believe it. I know a bit about
       | cameras, but nothing about this adjacent "rumours" subindustry.
        
       | jacquesm wrote:
       | Incredible how the assholes will even destroy something so
       | obviously good and by going after the guys' wife and kids no
       | less. It is absolutely disgusting.
       | 
       | HN has its share of jerks, I've had someone threaten to come by
       | my house and beat me up (I'm pretty easy to locate) but I figured
       | it's all bluff and easier said than done, and in the
       | camarades.com/ww.com days I got far worse thrown at me so I've
       | learned to live with it. But it shouldn't come to that.
       | 
       | The internet used to be a nice place. There were flamewars and
       | the occasional crappy argument but nobody threatened people with
       | bodily harm. Then the village became a town, and then the town
       | became a big city. And then all the bad stuff that happens in big
       | cities came right along with it, including the jerks, the
       | swatters and the drive by shooters.
       | 
       | There is a Dire Straits song in there somewhere.
       | 
       | Sites like canonrumors.com should be neutral territory, like
       | churches used to be, places where people can read and exchange
       | information without harassing the owners and the moderators. If
       | you have showdead on you can see what a 'nice' place HN is every
       | now and then. As it gets more mainstream here too the interaction
       | will get more coarse.
       | 
       | I've already made up my mind to walk when dang does.
        
         | eunoia wrote:
         | Well a long time ago, came a man on a track
         | 
         | Walking thirty miles with a sack on his back
         | 
         | And he put down his load where he thought it was the best
         | 
         | He made a home in the wilderness
         | 
         | He built a cabin and a winter store
         | 
         | And he ploughed up the ground by the cold lake shore
         | 
         | And the other travellers came walking down the track
         | 
         | And they never went further, no they never went back
         | 
         | Then came the churches, then came the schools
         | 
         | Then came the lawyers, then came the rules
         | 
         | Then came the trains and the trucks with their loads
         | 
         | And the dirty old track was the Telegraph Road
         | 
         | Then came the mines, then came the ore,
         | 
         | Then there was the hard times, then there was a war
         | 
         | Telegraph sang a song about the world outside
         | 
         | Telegraph Road got so deep and so wide
         | 
         | Like a rolling river
         | 
         | Never thought I'd get to quote a Dire Straits song on Hacker
         | News :)
        
         | throw0101a wrote:
         | > _Incredible how the assholes will even destroy something so
         | obviously good and by going after the guys ' wife and kids no
         | less. It is absolutely disgusting._
         | 
         | Wonder if it'd be helpful to publish and name names:
         | 
         | > _However, yesterday they came at my children and my wife.
         | They came at my family..... little fanboys of certain YouTubers
         | that have obviously been raised horribly. What was in my inbox
         | I won't even show my wife. I'm tearing up writing this with
         | absolute disgust for how horrible people are becoming. All of
         | this is created by the personalities (I refuse to call them
         | creators), they feed off of it, they profit off of it and they
         | don't care._
        
           | dekhn wrote:
           | When I was in college, my girlfriend lost her driver's
           | license. Somebody mailed it back to her, but with a
           | pornographic image pasted onto her face picture.
           | 
           | I just don't get it.
        
         | moralestapia wrote:
         | >I've already made up my mind to walk when dang does.
         | 
         | I used to hate dang with a passion because of a previous
         | account that got banned for ... reasons.
         | 
         | But, with time, I've come to appreciate the job that he's been
         | doing in order to keep the community sane. Thanks dang and I
         | hope HN stays the way it is for a longer while :).
        
         | rrdharan wrote:
         | > And then all the bad stuff that happens in big cities came
         | right along with it, including the jerks, the swatters and the
         | drive by shooters.
         | 
         | That stuff also happens in towns and villages. They just don't
         | have enough people to make it as much of a news story.
        
       | noja wrote:
       | I get an octet stream when I visit that URL
       | 
       | edit: not the second time.
        
         | jacquesm wrote:
         | I think you just betrayed your age :)
        
       | burlesona wrote:
       | Seems like the site is getting the HN Hug of Death.
       | https://archive.fo/QF72b
        
         | dang wrote:
         | Also
         | https://web.archive.org/web/20220204212748/https://www.canon...
        
       | jffry wrote:
       | Here's a mirror: https://archive.ph/QF72b
       | 
       | Linked page seems to have been hugged to death and is sporadic
       | about actually loading right now.
        
       | jer0me wrote:
       | Can someone provide more context?
        
       | mwidell wrote:
       | The author of the site went on a pretty fierce meltdown on
       | Twitter, throwing shit at several people but mostly Gerald Undone
       | who is a very loved, likeable, competent and successful gear
       | reviewer on youtube. Now he has just deleted all these tweets.
       | https://twitter.com/canonrumorsguy/with_replies
       | 
       | Honestly I think he was just frustrated with the fame, success
       | and money that the gear-review-youtubers are getting, while he
       | was working hard to provide news on a website that struggled to
       | survive. That would be my guess at least.
        
         | silisili wrote:
         | Definitely not justified, but makes me as a consumer rather
         | sad.
         | 
         | I'm not sure if generational, though it does seem that way -
         | but I'm personally astounded by the number of people who prefer
         | video reviews to a well written article. Aside from the obvious
         | things like having to listen and watch, not being able to
         | easily scan - there's just so.many.ads, not YT ads, but uh,
         | 'sponsors.' The whole industry feels incredibly gross and
         | insincere to me.
         | 
         | Again, to be clear - that doesn't justify any of the above,
         | just kinda makes me think I'd feel the same way in his shoes.
        
           | sdenton4 wrote:
           | But did you read the canon rumors post? Without an ad blocker
           | on mobile it is a relentless wall of ads with occasional
           | sentences stuck between them... And of course a plea to allow
           | notifications.
        
           | newsclues wrote:
           | Not only is it shocking that so many people want video
           | content but once quality article websites are gone the
           | quality of videos that use the written content online as the
           | basis for the video scripts!
        
         | annoyingnoob wrote:
         | It sounds like someone threatened his family in a way that was
         | meaningful. How would you react?
        
           | Someone1234 wrote:
           | That wasn't what his original twitter rant was about though.
           | His original rant was about YTers being overpaid and
           | overrated, then this "someone threatened my family" claim was
           | after that all blew up.
           | 
           | It isn't at all clear what started all this, but the claim of
           | threats/actual threats was the end of it.
        
           | mwidell wrote:
           | Having watched a lot of Gerald Undone's videos, I have a very
           | very hard time imagining how he could incite anyone to
           | threaten someones family. But I don't know the backstory,
           | just saw the meltdown.
        
             | dblooman wrote:
             | There are lots of people, especially YouTube commentators
             | who will rush to attack anyone who is seemed to have hated
             | on their favourite creator. It doesn't matter who started
             | what, it ended with apparent threats which is not ok
        
       | gkoberger wrote:
       | I'm not sure what happened, but it doesn't seem like this is the
       | whole story. He deleted his tweets, but Twitter replies seem like
       | this writer started it. This is the best I could find in regards
       | to context:
       | 
       | https://twitter.com/ByStephenJones/status/148963260212212121...
       | 
       | https://twitter.com/HarrisHeller/status/1489513376371785728
       | 
       | I know of neither person involved, and am not sure what's
       | happening. (It's hard to put together a timeline, and I'm not
       | sure what was said via email, but whatever it was didn't seem to
       | come from the YouTuber in question at all nor was it prompted by
       | him. The YouTuber in question seems like a pretty good guy, if
       | not maybe a bit less technical, from the very little I know.)
        
       | ziggus wrote:
       | Wait, is all this drama going on just about a camera equipment
       | blog/news site?
       | 
       | WTF?
        
         | Gualdrapo wrote:
         | After learning about game developers being threatened by people
         | just because how they game performed, this does not surprise
         | me.
        
         | Someone1234 wrote:
         | That's a rather dismissive attitude. Internet personalities and
         | their fans have gone to war before, and you could dismiss those
         | just as easily as just about "gaming" or "PC hardware" or
         | similar.
         | 
         | Like why not "just politics" and "just land." See everything
         | can be thrown out with the bathwater that way.
        
           | MikeDelta wrote:
           | Or programming language or web framework.
           | 
           | Humans indeed like to form groups over any possible variable.
           | Too bad it sometimes brings up the worst.
        
       | cozzyd wrote:
       | Well it's better than my initial reaction (is author dying?), but
       | not by much. I'm not sure what the right solution is for
       | cyberbullying, but at some point we'll probably have to figure it
       | out.
        
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