[HN Gopher] Why my projects keep failing
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       Why my projects keep failing
        
       Author : jaytaph
       Score  : 79 points
       Date   : 2022-02-03 14:34 UTC (2 days ago)
        
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       | pjmlp wrote:
       | My personal projects fail most of the time, unless it is a side
       | gig where I have to deliver to someone.
       | 
       | I think this is quite common, after one learns what we wanted to
       | learn, e.g. how a tile engine works, then the interest is lost
       | and we move on to the next challenge.
       | 
       | On the positive side, some of them can be used as portfolio for
       | HR.
        
       | oscargrouch wrote:
       | I can relate to a lot of things he said, but one thing i used to
       | pass through that was to dedicate myself to a bigger goal.
       | 
       | I've started a side project that took me some years (at least 4),
       | a lot of perseverance, because there are a bunch of things that
       | are actually quite boring to implement. (You actually need to
       | create some thick skin to overcome those boring tasks that
       | sometimes can take weeks)
       | 
       | Lost basically all of my friends in the process (i'm a social
       | person actually), with the exception of a few who kind of
       | understood it.
       | 
       | No weekends, working from 12 to 14 hours a day, having to mix and
       | deal with already bigger and established codebases.. its the
       | loneliest job in the world and you need a lot of mental balance
       | and good mood to go through it.
       | 
       | But some special spice that actually helped me going on was that
       | there is a social goal in the project and the idea is to provide
       | a way out of the FAANG centralized and controlled world.
       | 
       | People are mostly unaware of where we are heading it as long they
       | have cool gadgets to play with, and governments might only act
       | when its to late. So while everybody is enchanted with this brave
       | new world, the way the things are heading is actually a pretty
       | dangerous one (and i really hope to be wrong on this).
       | 
       | This was a very special reason that keep me going even in the
       | hardest parts (as for instance when i lost my dad to COVID).
       | 
       | Its not really finished yet as it needs some polish, but giving
       | it needs just a little love, at least now i'm able to do
       | interviews for steady jobs (specially now with more remote ones)
       | and get out of this life of doing freelancing work which
       | sometimes is not very fun.
       | 
       | Anyway, my point being, that maybe there's a need for something
       | else, as in my experience, just intellectual curiosity wont do
       | the trick.. (I`ve had some of those too)
       | 
       | For instance even with burnout (which i kind of postponed to the
       | last moment), i'm motivated to go through it all to see this
       | project have at least the (little) recognition it deserves and i
       | don't care to have recognition myself nor i've done it to become
       | rich, as there were much better and easy to implement ideas to
       | that goal, but i just want to see it "on track", having a way to
       | evolve and become a viable alternative road to another kind of
       | future giving us back the power that is actually ours in the
       | first place.
        
         | arisAlexis wrote:
         | You need to read lean startup my friend.it will save you some
         | years.
        
       | happytiger wrote:
       | This is great. I love it when there's honest post from a builder.
       | 
       | The explanation for failure is clear to me. None of these
       | products as they are constructed are customer-lead. They don't
       | start with product market fit. As crazy as it hounds the number
       | one reason startups fail is a lack of customers.
       | 
       | You love building the technical solution. You want to have market
       | success.
       | 
       | But your passion is probably not talking to the customer,
       | gathering requirements, or doing promotional talks and webinars.
       | 
       | You need a product or marketing focused partner to handle that
       | side of things. I've always looked at the ideal team as being
       | three roles: ops, product and maker. The details, the customer
       | and requirements and the build team each are critical to getting
       | product market fit and that's just everything when it comes to
       | this stuff. I would just focus on finding a partner in crime
       | because your are obviously a wonderfully talented engineer.
        
       | wnolens wrote:
       | I'm impressed most of the projects got to the point of functional
       | application and the problem being lack of customers.
       | 
       | That's a wild success for a side-project IMO.
       | 
       | My side-projects average about a long weekend length in
       | commitment before I give up. There's just not a strong enough
       | need to overcome the effort. Given extra time, I do other things.
       | EXCEPT right now.. I moved to a new city and have no friends and
       | dislike my day job, so I've got some spare time and coding-energy
       | to spend.
        
       | favourable wrote:
       | I personally love being singularly focused on a passion project /
       | labor of love, and try not to spread myself thinly across
       | multiple projects. I have recently given up research-and-
       | development type scenarios where I tinker with new toy languages,
       | frameworks, tooling, etc
       | 
       | I mean it's important to explore and toy with new ideas, but the
       | real quest is to stick with a project and see it out until its
       | death. The caveat being, the project could end up being another
       | ephemeral flash in the pan (depending on what timescale you cast
       | as ephemeral).
       | 
       | I try to build & contribute to projects that will outlive me.
       | Think of all your code commits on Github or other projects: you
       | essentially write code that could last centuries, because you're
       | contributing to something bigger than 'you' or your own pet
       | project. This is why I love open source - it doesn't forget.
        
       | lumost wrote:
       | Almost by definition, most _new_ projects in software are
       | failures. The reasons are simple.
       | 
       | 1. Incumbents benefit from network effects in users, and
       | integrations.
       | 
       | 2. Due to 1, most software markets consolidate around a top
       | player and a list of 2-10 second-tier players. The top player
       | will hold 90% market share and the remainder will split the ~10%.
       | 
       | 3. It costs only slightly more for a top-player to keep staying
       | on top as it does for a second-tier player to keep being second-
       | tier.
       | 
       | This all means that if you want to become an incumbent you need
       | to be early for any market, and that market can't be a feature of
       | an existing incumbent. A good example of the latter was the push
       | for "Cloud operating systems" back in the early 10s. As it turned
       | out standard linux distros worked pretty well in the cloud.
       | 
       | You also never know if you are early, late, or if the problem is
       | too big until you try. The more times you try the more likely you
       | are to succeed!
        
         | VBprogrammer wrote:
         | It depends what you are trying to achieve but there are usually
         | niche corners of any market which are underserved or ignored by
         | the incumbents. While you may never become the top player in
         | the market you can make a decent living in many of these if you
         | find the right corner of the market.
         | 
         | Of course, if your aim is to become a silicon valley bro living
         | on ramen noodles and angel investor tears then you'll need to
         | find a way of disrupting the incumbent, and if your plan is to
         | do the same thing but cheaper you are wasting your time.
        
       | smoyer wrote:
       | I'd certainly be interested in working on Leita and of course
       | using it (if the author ever sees this).
        
       | searchableguy wrote:
       | Glancing through the project ideas.
       | 
       | The market the author is trying to target in each of their ideas
       | is hard to monetize without sales engineering.
       | 
       | Selling OS and programming language is impossible today and was
       | hard back then without significant moat into a niche field. Think
       | of wolfram alpha.
       | 
       | I suspect timing may have been an issue for Author's e-commerce
       | idea. The craze for drop shipping and operating your own store is
       | recent. You need logistics, manufacturing, etc on demand services
       | to make it possible. Similar situation on payment, tax, etc side.
       | It became much easier and hit mainstream somewhere around 2010.
       | 
       | The primary target for assessment tool is in edu or enterprise.
       | Both of which are hard to get in without competent sales.
       | 
       | Dating and job board do not mix well. Monetizing any dating style
       | app is hard without being a little unethical.
       | 
       | E2E email service is not big of a sell given the protocol doesn't
       | support it and most people will use unsupported mail service. It
       | is not the primary reason people use protonmail or fastmail, may
       | have been a positioning problem.
        
       | vijaybritto wrote:
       | The definition of success in his terms is insane I think. The bar
       | is set so high. I would consider my side project a success if I
       | get a ugly version running a basic thing that I designed it to
       | do! By projects he mean actual companies/hard problems. Maybe a
       | person who is good with highly talented people can get some
       | success in a partnership!
        
       | wrnr wrote:
       | The hardest lesson I struggle with is the Pieter Thiel line "the
       | something of somewhere is always the nothing of nowhere". It is
       | easy to see something that can marginally be improved or copied
       | to perfection but this does not give you automatically the
       | customer base and history that made the original work as a
       | business.
        
         | alea_iacta_est wrote:
         | > "the something of somewhere is always the nothing of nowhere"
         | 
         | Never heard this one, what does it mean?
        
           | wrnr wrote:
           | Another way of saying this would be "it is harder to copy
           | something than it is to make something". For example try
           | building a successful search engine today, to beat Google at
           | their own game, you need to solve all this technical problems
           | plus beat a heavily intrenched incumbent. You can point to
           | something like duck duck go and sure they did find a
           | successful niche of privacy aware people that want to
           | "degoogle" their lives, but even this doesn't mean that you
           | can just be DuckDuckGo yourself.
        
             | Lamad123 wrote:
             | This doesn't always hold.. You might argue that google
             | probably aspired to be a yahoo, but I agree itt's bad to
             | market yourself as a konckoff of something else.
        
           | adventured wrote:
           | The parent slightly misquoted it and it really needs the
           | context.
           | 
           | The Silicon Valley of Iowa, is actually the nothing of
           | nowhere. He is saying that when you are using the name of the
           | original place to claim yours is the new place, it's more
           | likely what you've got is a nothing of nowhere (ie the new
           | place really doesn't matter, thus you're attempting to borrow
           | reputation in naming in the form of the Silicon Valley of
           | country/city/location).
           | 
           | The same usually goes for products/services as well. The Uber
           | of XYZ is most likely garbage if that's how you're
           | identifying your service. We're building the Airbnb of
           | lawnmowers. And so on. Thiel's quote is essentially about
           | knock-offs, copying, derivatives and how effective (or not)
           | that process tends to be.
           | 
           | Elaborated quote from Thiel (from seven or eight years ago;
           | may be extracted from his book, Zero to One, in which case it
           | probably actually dates back to the Stanford lectures he
           | did):
           | 
           | "There are a few different problems with it, one is that it
           | is not even clear why Silicon Valley works. It is a singular
           | thing, it is one time, one place. It's very hard to figure
           | out what are the factors which drive it. Is it the fact that
           | it has good weather? Is it the fact that you have this whole
           | network effect of people and some very successful companies
           | which have been built over years? Is it the unenforceability
           | of non-compete agreements so that employees can leave from
           | one company and go and work in another in the state of
           | California?"
           | 
           | "And then I always think that once you have set out to copy
           | something you have already put yourself in somewhat of an
           | inferior position somehow. The something of somewhere is the
           | nothing of nowhere. The Oxford of Iceland is not Oxford. So
           | all these - Silicon Beach, Silicon Roundabout - these all
           | sound like inferior knockoffs."
           | 
           | "You don't want to start with an inferior derivative. The
           | question always has to be, what is it that you can do that is
           | better than elsewhere? In the London context, there is a
           | sense that it is the most cosmopolitan city in Europe and
           | that is probably the strength that London should be pushing
           | towards. There has been a lot of interesting finance
           | innovation in London and so that seems natural."
           | 
           | https://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/jan/04/the-
           | innovat...
        
       | runningmike wrote:
       | Great to see this post on HN front page. Joshua is a technical
       | inspirational guy. I was lucky to meet him several times when he
       | organised meet-ups in Apeldoorn. The problem mentioned is typical
       | for most self employed engineers. Creating a sustainable business
       | requires many years of dedication to just one idea imho. It's
       | never about the software that is part of the product. But it's
       | all about the problem your product solves for your customers.
       | Creating a sustainable businesses based on an innovative software
       | product is still not a hard scientific science. But using Problem
       | Solving Methods (PSMs) is key for solving complex problems like
       | creating a viable business. See e.g. https://www.bm-
       | support.org/problem-solving-methods/ for some approaches.
        
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       | ffhhj wrote:
       | I engineered my life to keep working on side projects for the
       | rest of it, getting a low stress job with low but decent pay.
       | These are some points I try to keep in mind when making them:
       | 
       | * Inspiration is the most valuable fuel in the universe: Spend
       | some, save some, replentish.
       | 
       | * It's MVPs all the way up: focus on the most important tasks,
       | prioritize the most difficult ones. If that gets done the rest is
       | easier, but don't waste too much time on that.
       | 
       | * Forget about it: Let the project rest in the freezer for a few
       | days. Revisit what the project should accomplish with a clear
       | mind. Use it daily, suffer from bugs and missing features.
       | 
       | * Damn! It isn't what people want: The project might need to be
       | oriented in another very different direction. New features might
       | be required that will eclipse the original idea. It's depressing,
       | but is the idea worth it?
       | 
       | * Get better at sales: and this is the part I'm still working
       | on...
        
       | mynameishere wrote:
       | _I have a severe form of autism_
       | 
       | This idiocy needs to end. If you had a "severe form of autism"
       | you would need institutional care.
        
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