[HN Gopher] Ask HN: Best hosted alternative to Google Workspace ... ___________________________________________________________________ Ask HN: Best hosted alternative to Google Workspace for email? So with Google starting to charge previously-free users, I've decided that I'd rather give my money to someone else. I'd like a provider who is likely to be around in a decade or two. Tips on moving many years of Google email to a new provider are appreciated as well! Author : CharlesW Score : 146 points Date : 2022-02-05 17:42 UTC (5 hours ago) | aetherspawn wrote: | Office365, you get exchange email and Microsoft office included | in the basic plan which is about $80/yr. | | You can BYO your own unlimited number of email domains. | Kerrick wrote: | I've been using Migadu ever since switching away from Google | Apps, and I've been happy with their service and pricing. | nacs wrote: | Also moved to Migadu after hearing about Google shutting down | the "legacy" accounts. | | Moved 5 domains with wildcard support and 80k emails over and | been going great (and only $20 a _year_ for that). | | I used imapsync (free / opensource) to move the emails from | Google to Migadu. | Fileformat wrote: | I use Migadu as well & recommend them: The ability to have | unlimited domains (even on the cheapest tier) is key for a | domain name hoarder like me. | captn3m0 wrote: | Been using Migadu for half a decade now. Only catch is that | there isn't a contact/calendar service. I've been told it's in | in the works multiple times over the years, and I'll welcome it | when it does release, but it might be a dealbreaker for some | workplaces. | rasulkireev wrote: | I love Zoho Mail. | | I pay $12/year and can have as many emails as I want. For | example, I have set up an email for my personal domain, and 3 of | my projects. It is very easy to do with their docs. | | You could stop there, but I redirect all those email to my GMail | address (I just prefer Gmail UI). Then I set up labels for each | email and now I have 5 different email in my GMail Account. | buro9 wrote: | Fastmail | | I've just moved, and it's great. Import is fantastic (I migrated | 14GB of email) and I've used Dmarcian to monitor and confirm | everything is perfect on the SPF, DKIM front. Spam initially got | through, but once trained it's been flawless I've personally | abandoned labels for folders as I used barely 10 labels in Gmail | and seldom added more than one, but they do support labels if you | want that. It's great for wildcard email and aliases. | | I've moved the calendar over too via Google takeout for the | individual .ics files. On Android I use DAVx5 to keep using the | Google calendar app (point it at your fastmail account and it | will display in Google calendar). | | For Drive I've moved to syncthing and am using a Synology NAS as | my always online master copy, but each of my computers has a | copy. I also installed libre office on my laptop. | | And I'm keeping a Gmail account just for Android backup and app | purchases, etc. | g8oz wrote: | Runbox.com out of Norway is rock solid. | tazjin wrote: | Yandex 360 is great and also has calendar support etc. | | There are a few things that make moving your calendar away from | Google pretty hard. If a Google account invites you, the invite | still lands in your old calendar for example - even if that's not | where your domains MX records point. Lots of third-party software | also has mostly Google-specific integrations. | | Moving away from them is hard, but overall probably worth it, iff | you move to a provider that has real support. | yannikyeo wrote: | Mxroute, migadu, purelymail (in beta). Can also consider | Gandi.net which gives two 3G email when you use them as domain | registrar, their domain pricing however is not the cheapest you | can find. | modeless wrote: | You can still use the Gmail UI with a custom domain for free. All | you need is a mail server. Once it's set up, configure a free | Gmail account to fetch your email with IMAP and send from your | domain with SMTP. Now you own your email but still get the Gmail | UI as long as you want to use it, for free, with the option to | use any other client you want as well. | hobo_mark wrote: | That's what I'm doing. Gandi provides two free mailboxes for | each domain hosted with them. | fire wrote: | Cloudflare's email routing offering seems to be a good fit for | this as far as I can tell. | troydavis wrote: | This question comes up a couple times every month. FastMail | always comes up as a recommendation, so if you search comments | for FastMail, you'll find every past thread (and relatively few | false positives): | | https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=pastYear&page=0&prefix=tru... | | Example from a week ago: | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30128198 | vero2 wrote: | Every service has their haters and lovers. While people in | G-suite threads swear that moving to fast mail or MS is the | best options, in Microsoft threads people complain about clunky | MS interface. It is always full circle! | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30141192 | hedgehog wrote: | I'm a happy Fastmail customer for e-mail but they don't do | everything Workspace does. Microsoft is a more direct | alternative with all the Office apps etc and personally I | like the web Outlook interface way better than GMail. | fy20 wrote: | How does FastMail handle tags? I tried Zoho but it's pretty | terrible compared to how Gmail works. What I'd like is: | | 1) To be able to assign tags based on rules | | 2) To be able to view those tags in IMAP clients (Gmail exposes | labels as IMAP folders) | | 3) To be able to Archive mail so they are no longer in the | Inbox, but so the tag remains (in Gmail, 'Inbox' is just a tag | that is removed when you Archive mail) | | Zoho fails because: | | 1) Tags aren't anywhere near a first class citizen. You need to | hover over an icon to see what tags are assigned to an email. | | 2) There's no way to search Archived mail (yes really) and it's | not available over IMAP | rasulkireev wrote: | I love Zoho for what they offer for $12/year. I agree that UI | is better on Gmail, which is why I redirect all email to my | GMail Dashboard. | nmjenkins wrote: | If you switch to labels mode, Fastmail handles them just like | Gmail. | depingus wrote: | FastMail doesn't have tags. What it does have? Let me | copy/paste my comment from another thread: | | They have subdomain addressing, which is kind of like plus | addressing, but better (not all places let you sign up with | plus addressing). | | I've got my own domain, for example: mydomain.com. So my | fastmail email address is depingus@mydomain.com. But with | subdomain addressing, I can sign up for services with unique | email addresses that look like: | | social.hackernews@depingus.mydomain.com | | I don't have to set up this alias ahead of time. Fastmail | will automatically route incoming messages arriving to this | email address to my "social" folder. If I start getting junk | to that address I can easily blacklist it. | | It wasn't easy switching out my email address EVERYWHERE. And | there are places that won't even let me change it. But in the | end, it was so worth it. I don't even miss Google Inbox | anymore! | smoyer wrote: | It has definitely come up before but since Google just | announced that the legacy free plans will convert to a paid | service, there will probably be renewed interest. | CharlesW wrote: | > _This question comes up a couple times every month._ | | Thank you! I used HN search before posting but didn't find | anything helpful when searching for "google workspace", so I | appreciate the links. | TillE wrote: | I'm currently waiting for access to Cloudflare's email forwarding | beta. If that didn't exist, I'd use Namecheap, which I believe is | also free regardless of whether the domain is registered with | them. | [deleted] | [deleted] | bilal4hmed wrote: | Office 365 is a great deal. For 1 user its $70 per year, up to 6 | its $100 per year. You get a lot of storage and all of office. | | https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/outlook/outloo... | wiradikusuma wrote: | Google is not just email. It's the email client. It's the | calendar. It's the calendar integration with email. How do you | replace those? | tweetle_beetle wrote: | I don't mind losing out on bundled document editing apps, etc. | by not giving my email money to Google or Microsoft, but I do | wish the smaller providers saw email and calendars as two sides | of the same service as I do. I use Migadu for email, but their | calendar offering is still in beta and very primitive. So I use | Fruux, to support a small open source company. But i've had | support messages completely ignored by Fruux and the cost of | paying for 2 micro services feels disproportionately expensive. | josephg wrote: | > How do you replace those? | | These days? Pretty easily! | | Fastmail also has an email client, and a calendar. The calendar | is integrated into its email service too. And the calendar | integrates really well with iCal / CalDAV. I find fastmail | syncs calendar entries between my apple devices more reliably | than apple's own icloud. | | The big hole in fastmail's offering is that they have no | replacement for google docs & spreadsheets. | | Microsoft Outlook + 365 (as others have suggested) also does | pretty much everything gsuite does. | hn_version_0023 wrote: | One thing I like about Fastmail is the ability to serve | static web content directly from the "Files" section of their | apps/website. | | Since they already manage the domain for email, spinning up | static sites at subdomains is really easy and really nice. | stn8188 wrote: | This is a huge feature for me. I had set up my EE | consultancy and even though I'm no longer doing any side | work the Fatmail hosting feature allows my to keep a | professional-looking static site for no extra cost with a | place to post periodic blog updates and even the beginnings | of a niche knowledge base. I love it! | prirun wrote: | I almost did this, but they don't have rsync access to the | Files space. It's really nice with a static site being able | to use rsync to just update the changed files. | hn_version_0023 wrote: | I use ncftp from a CI/CD job to push my files to | Fastmail; it has a sync option | | Edit: I'm pretty sure the sync options are part of the | _put_ command | ipaddr wrote: | I'm a new fastmail customer. Fastmail doesn't control my | domain how does this feature work? | csande17 wrote: | Fastmail recommends setting them as the DNS nameserver | for your domain. If you do that, then they'll | automatically add any records needed to host websites | with them. (They'll also set up records for stuff like | DKIM and SPF for you, which helps your email stay out of | spam filters.) | 0xbadcafebee wrote: | > they have no replacement for google docs & spreadsheets | | I'm happy about this. Those are really complicated apps to | support; they'd have to spend a ton of time and money and | dedicate new teams to them (even if they "just" hosted OSS | alternatives) which would raise the cost of my subscription | and take away from their core competency (e-mail). And it may | result in proprietary features, making it a lock-in device. | vmoore wrote: | I'm confused by all the branding. Google change the names to | things every week. Is it Google Docs, or Google One, or Google | Workspace, or GSuite? They need to stop this. | jldl805 wrote: | Google and confusing, misguided name changes for already- | effective products: name a more iconic duo. | MandieD wrote: | Microsoft comes close - my most personally irritating example | was them trading "Lync" (short, wonderfully searchable, very | little rubbish returned) for "Skype for Business" (impossible | to search for specific technical matters, and the site itself | was blocked by most corporate web filters for the first | several weeks) | guerrilla wrote: | Google Workspace is just your own instances of their services | running on their servers for you. You manage it as your own | domain and it has all the services you get with a with GMail | account, including Google Docs. It was called G Suite before. I | don't know what Google One is. | | [edit: "Google One replaced the paid services of Google Drive." | Apparently Workspaces is for businesses and Google One is for | consumers. It seems that you can't use your own domain as a | consumer.] | mszcz wrote: | This is odd. When "migrating" from G-Suite to Workspaces a | couple of days ago I got the option to continue as not-a- | company. I migrated a company account but still have a | personal account with a domain to migrate. I'm sensing | problems ahead... | guerrilla wrote: | I don't know honestly. I tried asking about exactly this on | Community but they just wanted to gaslight me about it | being a valid question and then deleted the thread to hide | the evidence of that embarrassment. I did a Google Takeout | and moved all my stuff to Proton and whatnot. | bradgranath wrote: | Your ISP and a raspi running pine. | blakesterz wrote: | This was asked last week with some good answers: | | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30128198 | | This monster thread about the original announcement is full of | them as well: | | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29996432 | moedersmooiste wrote: | Also went looking for an alternative and moved everyting to | mailbox.org... | akvadrako wrote: | I'll second that. It's the best choice if you want an EU-based | company. | 15characterslon wrote: | Be aware that Mailbox.org allows any user to send emails as | ("from") any other user via SMTP and these emails will look | legit since they pass SPF and DKIM checks. Many consider this a | security issue. | | There was a quite lengthy discussion about this in their forum | but they deleted it since. They refused to fix it. Archive.org | still has it. Content is in German (sorry): | | https://web.archive.org/web/20210123192856/https://userforum... | mkdirp wrote: | I did not know this, I moved to mailbox.org in December. | | Surely they'll only allow that if they pass the auth and the | domain belongs to your account? | brewmarche wrote: | Oh wow, do you perhaps have more details on the current | situation? The CEO's response is from 4 years ago. | | I also don't fully understand the reasoning. Having an open | SMTP server that doesn't restrict senders is one thing, but | attaching DKIM without further checks is another. | upofadown wrote: | Anyone willing to spin up a mail server can do this. DKIM and | SPF are only intended to establish the identity of the | server. I don't know that there is any obligation on the part | of someone running a mail server to police the "From:" | address on an email in some specific way. Traditionally the | "From:" address was considered informational. It generally | represents the address that the sender considers "their" | email address. A actual user identity is established by | signing the email and is separate from the "From:" address. | | Does mailbox.org even include the "From:" address in the DKIM | signature? | brewmarche wrote: | I like them as well, especially their catch-all feature. But | they increased prices for their cheapest custom domain plan | from 1 to 3 euros per moth not so long ago. While I'm still | grandfathered in, it doesn't feel good. I know it's not too | much in absolute terms but the relative increase is steep. | slig wrote: | Is there any good alternative to Google Docs/Sheets and Microsoft | Office 365? | rodolphoarruda wrote: | Zoho and OwnCloud. | slig wrote: | Thanks! | BoumTAC wrote: | I would recommend hey.com | mazugrin2 wrote: | I'm switching away from hey.com at the end of my term. It's not | a bad service, but the UI is absolutely inflexible. The | absolute worst feature for me is that the sorting of your inbox | (I guess I mean "Imbox") is based the time you first accessed | the email. There's no straightforward way to sort by the date | the email was actually sent. I asked the support group if there | was ever going to be an ability to sort by anything other than | the quirky default sorting they've chosen but my query received | no response. | [deleted] | StreamBright wrote: | We just migrated to Fastmail. | thom wrote: | I migrated four separate Google accounts to a single Fastmail | account last year. I had put off migrating for _years_ because I | thought it would be painful, but I've had no issues at all. The | migration was automated with good progress updates as emails are | copied across. I had to do the DNS bits manually but they were | nevertheless well documented. I've had zero issues since with | mail, calendars, or their simple static site hosting. I think | about it so little I sometimes forget how happy I was with the | whole process. | temp8964 wrote: | How about free email plan from your web hosting? Many hosting | companies provide free email plan when you host your | domain/website with them. If you have a personal domain/website, | why don't use the free email hosting? If you need more features, | they also provide upgraded plans. | vanous wrote: | Exactly. Maybe not free but for a very small fee, compared to | the HN popular options. And you might even get caldav and | carddav (calendar and contact) sync included. | qwertyuiop_ wrote: | Fastmail | NetWorth16254 wrote: | As alternative I would suggest Office365, but If you used Google | workspace for so long, why not just pay Google? Why you have to | change. Just pay and do nothing... They invested billions for you | to use it for free so long. Its a good service. | mdasen wrote: | Google Workspace is expensive: $6/mo for 30GB. Microsoft will | give you 1TB plus the Microsoft Office apps (plus email) for | that price. If you have a family of 6 with a custom domain, | Google is going to charge you $36/mo while Microsoft will | charge you $8.33/mo - plus each person gets 1TB of storage and | the Microsoft Office apps. | | I think the reason to switch is that Google decided to use the | same pricing that they want to get out of enterprises for | individuals/families. Sure, $6/user is nothing to a company | that is paying that worker $5,000+ per month, but it can be | annoying for a family (even if it's still relatively | affordable). But then you have to think about whether you want | to pay $12/user to upgrade their storage making it $72/mo for a | family of 6. And you still don't get the Microsoft Office apps. | They aren't strictly necessary in a lot of situations, but | they're still pretty commonly used. | | It just seems like Google isn't offering great value for | individuals and other companies offer something better. In a | certain way, it feels like Google is charging $6/user/mo just | for the custom domain. With Microsoft 365, it at least feels | like you're getting something above a standard account with the | Microsoft Office apps and 1TB of storage. | fire wrote: | > I think the reason to switch is that Google decided to use | the same pricing that they want to get out of enterprises for | individuals/families. Sure, $6/user is nothing to a company | that is paying that worker $5,000+ per month, but it can be | annoying for a family (even if it's still relatively | affordable). But then you have to think about whether you | want to pay $12/user to upgrade their storage making it | $72/mo for a family of 6 | | And if you're like me who has already been paying $12/user/m | ( which is higher than it used to be! ) just for the | unlimited storage aspect... Congrats! That's going away in a | few months and the only equivalent is upgrading to an actual | _enterprise_ plan, which I _believe_ starts at $20 | /user/month | | I just want to store my raws without spending an arm and a | leg, god dammit | remram wrote: | Does paying them make you safe from their algorithms blocking | your access at any point with no appeal? If yes it's probably | the right answer, if no go with a company that is not primarily | dealing with free users and has real customer service. | Scarbutt wrote: | _I 've decided that I'd rather give my money to someone else_ | | Why? the less cumbersome route is to pay google. | guerrilla wrote: | Why would you pay a company with no support and who constantly | cancels features and products? Also, why would you want an ad | company reading your email to weaponize against you? | extra88 wrote: | They have some support, I recently read a G Suite legacy free | "customer's" chat with a Google Workspace Support person. | | There is no danger of Google canceling the core services of | Google Workspace (email, calendar, Drive). | | Google has never scanned G Suite/Workspace email for ad | targeting and stopped doing it for email entirely in 2017; | the ads in Gmail are targeted based on other information | Google has (e.g. search history). | | There are good reasons to not pay for Google's service, the | above are not any of them. | | Since Google has stated they're going to create an option for | small, non-business G Suite legacy free customers, there's no | rush for those people, who have been using it 10+ years, to | get off it before they see what that option is. | oauea wrote: | If you pay you do have support and they do not analyze your | email. | harel wrote: | I've paid, and have already accessed support three times | since with great success and good response times. I was quite | surprised actually considering all the horror stories I'm | reading here. | remram wrote: | How is self-hosted email these days? Are there web-based email | clients with search, filters, and labels? | devilkin wrote: | Fastmail. | dgavrilov wrote: | https://mxroute.com/ | pkulak wrote: | Wow, looks pretty good. Never heard of those guys. Are they | new? | lbotos wrote: | I joined MXRoute at a suggestion in on hackernews and I'm... | probably gonna be moving away when my year is up. | | Two issues I had: | | 1. 3 times my emails to gmail will be "silently delivered" in | that they don't bounce but they don't land in the inbox. I | had it happen to me (sending to my test gmail), me sending to | a friend, and me sending to a business. It's a gmail problem, | but this never happened when I was on fastmail. | | 2. Jarland is a solid admin, but he's "old school". Sometimes | he'll blanket ban _incoming_ mail, and you might miss | messages. For example, I was trying to sign up for mailjet | and I wasn 't getting the sign up email. When I opened a | ticket, it was because MXroute was seeing "a bunch of spam | from that provider" so it was blocked. I have no clue if I | missed any emails from sellers/senders that use the service | during that time... | bertman wrote: | Re. 2.: | https://accounts.mxroute.com/index.php?/news/view/18/don-- | 03... | | Looks like you were not the only one. | lbotos wrote: | Right. It's one thing to ask customers to choose a | different provider, and I'd happily consider. It's | another to blanket block receiving mail from mailjet. I | have no clue how many vendors that I've purchased from | that are using mailjet! | | (Sure, if you wanna send it to spam, I'm open to that, | but it was dropped on the floor...) | dgavrilov wrote: | Domain Name: MXROUTE.COM | | Creation Date: 2013-10-14T22:37:59Z | | _In 2019, MXroute became an official legal entity in the | state of Texas, MXroute LLC. MXroute remains a family | business managed by Jarland and Christine Donnell._ | 0xbadcafebee wrote: | I have no idea what Google Workspace provides, but here's my | review of Fastmail: | | - The web interface is good, the Android app is good. Relatively | fast and straightforward to use. Pretty good reliability aside | from the occasional DDoS. | | - The calendar is functional but kinda lame. I don't think I've | ever noticed before an event happens, and trying to open new | events has poor UX. Typical Calendar features work fine. | | - Haven't really used Contacts but they're all there from my | phone. | | - There's a Notes feature which I find mostly useless since it | doesn't really sync with anything (though supposedly it can work | with Apple Notes' proprietary format?). | | - They give you dedicated file storage and transfer quota just to | serve files on the web (unrelated to mail quotas). It's | accessible via normal browser and via WebDAV client. I guess it's | handy, I've used it once, but pulling attachments out of emails | is almost the same. If you had to send someone a large file and | couldn't send it via e-mail, there you go. | | - They have all the mail features that I've used in Gmail. They | have some "team" features, I suppose they're helpful if you have | multiple users. | | - You can connect your Google, Yahoo, Outlook, iCloud, and other | accounts in Fastmail so you can actually pull mail from all those | places. You can even send e-mail _through_ each of those | providers too. So this is pretty cool for consolidating accounts. | | - They have their own e-mail masking service, and partnered with | 1Password so the masked e-mails have matching credentials in your | 1Password account. | | - The people running it are using really old tech and don't chase | after the latest shiny thing, which I appreciate. Everything they | do seems sensible. These aren't tech bros gobbling up VC money to | become a Unicorn. And they don't seem to use any trackers or ads | at all. The only 3rd party domains I see are from Sentry (for | debugging app issues). | | - My gripes: the Android app doesn't cache mail or calendar, the | Calendar is clunky and notifications don't grab my attention, | their new UI in beta will probably become more cramped soon. | mattlondon wrote: | I have used Zoho for my burner domain for a couple of years. | | It's functional and works ok, but is not as slick as Gmail (both | web and app) | rasulkireev wrote: | I love Zoho for what they offer for $12/year. I agree that UI | is better on Gmail, which is why I redirect all email to my | GMail Dashboard. | jrmg wrote: | Also a Zoho user - been very happy for a few years now. | callesgg wrote: | I will keep the free version of "google cloud identity" so I kan | keep my google account and things connected to it; things like | drive documents, YouTube account, app purchases, and so on. But | then I intend to move my email domain to iCloud. | planb wrote: | How do you do this? I'm planning to keep my Gmail account and | pay for it, but my son does not need the mail address but wants | to keep his YouTube account. | callesgg wrote: | https://admin.google.com/ac/billing/catalog | | Enable "Cloud Identity Free" then just go to his user in the | admin panel and remove the users "Google Workspace" license. | lexx wrote: | Fast mail is awesome. And fast. | croutonwagon wrote: | In their Q&A they have a link to a google form where they say | they will email you alternative options after April 1. | | https://support.google.com/a/answer/60217#faq | | May be worth the wait and just sign the form. Worst case, you | still upgrade. But it seems like they may offer some super | restricted free version for personal use. | | I'll probably just upgrade at this point. I wish protonmail | supported contact syncing. That's the main issue, that and our | dakboard. | | >What if I use G Suite legacy free edition for personal use and | don't want to upgrade to a Google Workspace subscription? | | >Upgrading to a Google Workspace subscription is a seamless | transition for all customers currently on the G Suite legacy free | edition. However, we understand some customers may not use their | G Suite legacy free edition for business and may be interested in | other options. If you have 10 or fewer users in your group and do | not use your G Suite legacy free edition for business, please | sign in to your administrator account to provide more | information. | | >Sign in to an administrator account (doesn't end in gmail.com). | | >Note that even if you decide you don't want to upgrade to Google | Workspace, you'll still retain access to additional Google | services and paid content purchased though non-Google Workspace | services made with your legacy edition account (such as movies | purchased on Google Play). Learn more above. | goingindi wrote: | Regarding migadu, which I am now looking at, what verification | have you who've selected it done for this statement " Your emails | are your own business. We have no interest in them. We do not | access1, analyse2, scan or share any user data." from their site? | buttocks wrote: | HN is a hard place for people who like Microsoft but I'll tell | you that a single user Office 365 Business Essentials | subscription is a great deal. Along with e-mail you get a | terabyte of Sharepoint (OneDrive) storage, online versions of | office apps, and Teams. $5/mo. There's an IMAP migration tool. | Just turn on IMAP on your Gmail account if it's not already | enabled and let the O365/Exchange wizard suck all the e-mail | down. | jimnotgym wrote: | And Exchange online is a fully featured mail server. Fancy | adding 50 aliases, go ahead. Fancy adding 50 domains, go ahead. | Fancy adding your family, that too. Groups, distribution lists | etc. all included. | | Plus you can set up Azure AD and use the SSO tools! | CharlesW wrote: | That's a pretty great deal. And I've previously tried to | replace the Office apps (with Google Docs, Apple's suite, and | LibreOffice) but just can't, so that's really appealing too. | | EDIT: This plan appears to only support "Office apps for the | web", which are not good enough for serious use in my | experience. | easton wrote: | If it's for personal use, then the Microsoft 365 personal | plan is $70 per year and includes the full office suite and | mail. Otherwise, $12 per month will get you mail and Office. | mansandersson wrote: | I've been eyeing this as well but it looks like neither DMARC | or DKIM is supported on the family plan. Anyone know a way | around that issue? | jimnotgym wrote: | Yes, use an office 365 business essentials subscription | instead. You now get a fully featured online mail server | velcrovan wrote: | I've been considering this, but how good is the spam filtering | included with this plan? Do people often end up bolting on 3rd- | party spam filters in front of Business Essentials? | buttocks wrote: | I haven't adjusted the spam filter. I have been using it in | the default configuration since I signed up and it filters | out most. YMMV. | jimnotgym wrote: | I use it at work and the default spam filtering is fine | divbzero wrote: | A sibling comment also pointed out Microsoft 365 plans [1] that | run $70/year for 1 person and $100/year for up to 6 people. | | [1]: https://www.microsoft.com/en- | us/microsoft-365/outlook/outloo... | p0d wrote: | I'm trialling Fastmail at the moment. Some observations. | Excellent Google migration tool..Excellent support for domain | aliases. You can also forward domain aliases to an external | addresses...I raised a support query on A saturday evening and I | had a resolution on Sunday morning. | | Looking good so far. My main requirement is no restriction on | domain aliases. | jws wrote: | I've moved mine off to Gandi.net where I had the domains. It is | either included for free with your domain, or something like 1.5 | EU/mo if you store a lot of email. | | Easy on the Gandi.net side and on Macs. A complete pain on the | iOS side. The accounts added on the Mac don't come over to iOS | for some reason like they do other Macs, then when you go to add | them manually iOS won't look to see which ports to use or mail | servers so you have to enter all that, except you can't do the | port until later and when you do the device hangs at "verifying" | until you turn off all internet access and turn it back on. | (That's a half day of research for free for you.) It's an | accepted defect by Apple, its been documented for years. | | Also, moving is a pain. Google lets you export, but you lose your | folder information. Apple on Mac lets you easily copy from one | account to another, but that is a little strange since you have | two accounts for the same email address and there have been | catastrophic failures in the past from that. Also some of the | special folders like "Archive" apparently can't be copied for | "reasons". The work around is to "select all" in Archive and hope | it doesn't explode from the volume. | | All in all, you are in for some pain. And pain raised to some | exponent if you have non-technical users in your domain to | support. | mdasen wrote: | Google Takeout will export all your mail in mbox format which is | easily handled by mail programs like Apple Mail and Thunderbird | and should let you sync everything to a new service (if that | service won't let you transfer it themselves). | | I'm using iCloud+ from Apple. It's cheap at $1/mo for 50GB of | space and lets me have my custom domains. $3/mo will get you | family sharing and 200GB of space (if you want multiple accounts | - I just have one account with multiple domains/email addresses). | Apple's email hosting is 22 years old (pre-dating Gmail by 4 | years) and seems like it won't be going anywhere anytime soon. | They've recently expanded their email offerings with things like | "Sign In with Apple" and "Hide my Email." | | Zoho Mail will give you free hosting without IMAP or $1 for 5GB, | $1.25 for 10GB, $3 for 30GB, $4 for 50GB, $6 for 100GB (billed | annually). | | Microsoft 365 will cost $5.83/mo for 1 person or $8.33 for a | family of 6. Each account gets 1TB of storage (6TB for the family | in total) and you get all the Microsoft Office apps. One issue is | that the domain needs to be with Go Daddy which ups the price a | little given their premium pricing on domains which is around an | extra dollar per month. | | FastMail is $5/mo for 30GB, $9 for 100GB. | | There's no magic email provider that no one ever complains about | - including Google where we've heard horror stories of getting | locked out with no one to even contact. It also seems like no one | wants to be hosting your mail for free with IMAP support anymore | (and almost no one wants to host your domain email for free | generally). | | For me, migrating to iCloud+ was cheap and easy. I'm already on a | Mac and iPhone. I set up some simple rules to filter my mail on | my Mac and I'm enjoying the instant response of a native app. At | $1/mo, there's no lock-in to annual billing and it basically | costs nothing. | | Microsoft 365 seems like a good deal if you're looking for a lot | of storage and Microsoft Office apps. 1TB for $5.83/mo is | basically the same price per GB as Dropbox, but you're also | getting mail and the Office apps. | SmellTheGlove wrote: | Oh wow I had no idea I could use a custom domain with iCloud, | and I'm already paying for the 2TB tier and family sharing. | Thanks! | nachteilig wrote: | Does iCloud+ support catch all on custom domains now? I really | like this about Google but would also be glad to go elsewhere | dan_wood wrote: | No they don't and it's a maximum of three email addresses per | user. | | Looking at it they don't allow for "groups" or aliases | either. | | It feels years behind. | hughrr wrote: | It has only just been rolled out. I think it's still early | days. | | I'm using it for my domain fine but that has only two users | on it. | mxrlkn wrote: | I just switched to iCloud as well, but I want all my email | forwarded to my private gmail account. One thing to be aware of | with iCloud is that it doesn't do ARC, so your forwarded emails | will fail on SPF. I instead use cloudflare's email forwarding | for incoming email, which does support ARC, and then iCloud for | outgoing. Works well so far. | gst wrote: | Are you sure that Cloudflare supports ARC? Last time I | checked they used SRS for sender rewriting (that's why SPF | doesn't fail), but didn't support ARC yet. | mxrlkn wrote: | There's ARC headers on the emails I get forwarded, so looks | like it. I don't know about SRS. | voisin wrote: | I just did the Gmail --> iCloud transition and was frustrated | that the MBOX format failed to maintain labels / folders. | Everything went into a single place. On researching it seemed | like the best process was to set up two IMAP accounts in Apple | Mail and simply drag and drop the directories. I've done this, | but it is still a pain and took 100x longer than I expected. | Saris wrote: | Mailstores free home version works pretty well for this. You | can backup your IMAP account in it, and then it has the | option to export that archive to another IMAP account. It | does retain folder/label structure (although it places them | under a parent "Mailstore" label, but that's easy to fix | after). | | It will also read EML, MSG, PST, and MBOX formats, and | connect to Outlook and Thunderbird. | | https://www.mailstore.com/en/products/mailstore-home/ | concinds wrote: | I _really_ don 't recommend doing that with Apple Mail. I | did, many years ago, and ended up losing quite a few emails | due to Apple Mail bugs; I did it again a few years later and | ended up with weird corruption of email headers (wrong | "received" dates). | | That was way before the Catalina Apple Mail data loss bugs. | https://mjtsai.com/blog/2019/10/11/mail-data-loss-in- | macos-1... | | Any sysadmin will tell you Apple Mail has had occasional | weird dogshit bugs for a decade. | | Use Thunderbird, it's more likely to be robust and not | corrupt your emails, then feel free to switch back to Apple | Mail once you've moved everything. | lewisl9029 wrote: | An alternative to Microsoft 365 if you don't need anything | other than email hosting is their Exchange Online plan, which | is $4/month: https://www.microsoft.com/en- | us/microsoft-365/exchange/excha... | | This is what I ended up switching to and it's been working fine | so far. I learned from this debacle that tight-coupling email | to any other service is a liability, so email-only is actually | a feature for me. No GoDaddy requirement either. | sgloutnikov wrote: | Here is a workaround for Microsoft 365 to not host your domain | with GoDaddy. | | https://www.reddit.com/r/Office365/comments/ft15pk/use_perso... | RKearney wrote: | That "workaround" instructs you to use "v=DMARC1; p=none;" | for your dmarc record. I'm not sure if Microsoft actually | requires this, maybe it's because it doesn't support DKIM, | but setting your dmarc policy to none disables SPF checks and | is an extremely bad idea. | znpy wrote: | > One issue is that the domain needs to be with Go Daddy | | Absolute dealbreaker. | | There's no real reason why I can't just point my MX at them, do | the additional configuration[*] and have them host my mail. | | Any explaination would be pure (and utter) BS. | | [*] being setting spf, dkim records and stuff | d000001 wrote: | This is comparing o365 business and the personal offering. | | The personal/home offering requires godaddy for the domain. | Pasorrijer wrote: | This is not accurate. I host through Site ground and have | absolutely no issues setting O365 as my mail provider. | f_ wrote: | I don't think this is true; I am running Microsoft 365 and | use AWS Route 53 and manually set up DNS records to work with | Microsoft 365 just fine. | jread wrote: | +1 for iCloud+. I moved 3 business/family domains and shutdown | my G Suite legacy account with no issues, and no extra cost | (already paying for iCloud). Can't beat $0.99/mo for 50GB | shared on up to 6 accounts. | skydhash wrote: | +1 for iCloud+. I got the 200 to give my cousin a way to | backup her pictures (around 30 GB, and it annoyed me she | wasn't backing them up) The custom domain was nice, and I | moved all of them to iCloud+. | infinityplus1 wrote: | You might want to read this reddit post about iCloud files | disappearing. https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/sixyv | x/warning_files... | hughrr wrote: | Just a heads up here: | | iCloud / OneDrive / Google Drive / DropBox are _not a | backup solution_ despite the vendors promoting it. | | They are there only for convenience. | | I have experienced file loss on OneDrive. I am now using | iCloud and have had no file loss whatsoever. I regularly | diff my offline backup with iCloud Drive contents | mirrored to my mac. | | Also to note: About 50% of the stories you hear are users | being morons. My sister lost some files. She deleted them | after fat fingering something and blamed the cloud vendor | (Google). It happens. | | Make sure you back up stuff separately and fully offline. | You're just as fucked if someone rips off your account. | r90t wrote: | Just migrated to iCloud with custom domain. | Pasorrijer wrote: | Not true. You can host through any provider and link it to | Office365. | mdasen wrote: | https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/get-a- | personalize... | | Q: I already own a domain that's registered with a provider | other than GoDaddy. Can I set up a personalized email address | in Outlook.com? | | A: At the moment, we only support connecting domains managed | by GoDaddy with Outlook.com. | | Maybe that only applies to "Microsoft 365 Family or Microsoft | 365 Personal" and not their business offering? They have a | basic business offering for $5/mo, but it doesn't include the | Office apps (just the online versions). | | EDIT: It looks like non-GoDaddy is for business/enterprise | plans: https://docs.microsoft.com/en- | us/microsoft-365/admin/setup/a... | EwanToo wrote: | If you do some googling you can find forum posts on how to | do it manually, though I've not tried it myself | nodesocket wrote: | Is iCloud+ IMAP/Push? | gumby wrote: | Yes and has been since it was introduced. | | Unlike gmail they appear to implement the full imap protocol ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2022-02-05 23:00 UTC)