[HN Gopher] Nerdle = Like Wordle but with Equations
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Nerdle = Like Wordle but with Equations
Author : dzink
Score : 200 points
Date : 2022-02-08 16:59 UTC (6 hours ago)
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| jdorsey1 wrote:
| got it at the third attempt.
| MaxMoney wrote:
| izzydata wrote:
| It looks like they updated it because I used to be able to do
| 1+-/*23= and it would accept it because it couldn't compute it as
| incorrect.
| compsciphd wrote:
| I found its 2 easy. my first attempt is always 23+45=68. at that
| point i covered most of the possible symbols.
| pierrebai wrote:
| I get the same feeling as everyone. There is no point in the game
| because even a single digit wrong is no clue at all. In my 1st
| and only attempt, I entered 1 + 2+ 8 = 11 and both pluses, the 2
| the 1 and the 8 were right, with only the 2 in the wrong
| position. And yet that gave zero clue to what the other number
| was... and it turned out to be another 8, which made finding the
| solution really luck-based.
| nextstep wrote:
| Ha! I played the exact same first game!
|
| https://pasteboard.co/NYP4YfnNj0kk.jpg
| FabHK wrote:
| ? As in Worldle itself (except in hard mode), you don't need
| to match what you've deduced already . So, your second line
| could have been some equation with (most of) the digits
| 3,4,5,7,9 (and whatever you need to make it an equation). The
| colour of those then would have told you all you need to know
| to win.
| myhf wrote:
| So it's an interesting distinction that Wordle is generally
| solvable in "hard mode", but the same constraint makes
| Nerdle almost impossible.
| quietbritishjim wrote:
| As others have said, you can (and often should) make guesses
| that don't satisfy all the clues you've found so far. That way
| you can find / eliminate symbols much more quickly.
|
| It's funny there are so many people saying how much they hate
| it. All power to you. But personally I like it way more than
| Wordle.
|
| I basically like the solving part of Wordle but hate the
| thinking up words aspect. Nerdle fixes that, but the equation
| bit keeps it more interesting than a meaningless string of
| symbols.
|
| Similar to how I prefer the numbers round on Countdown [1] to
| the main letters game.
|
| [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countdown_(game_show)
| billforsternz wrote:
| I prefer the numbers round in Countdown as well, but much
| (much, much) prefer Wordle to Nerdle. Nerdle is an attempt to
| make a Wordle for numbers, but to me it just doesn't work.
| Today I quickly got 2+?+8=1?. Clearly ? can be any digit from
| 0 to 9. I had four tries left so a 40% chance of winning with
| no skill involved (I lost incidentally).
| elcomet wrote:
| Why would you put three ones?
|
| Maybe you should have tried the other numbers
| hackeraccount wrote:
| that is so odd - I think I had the same situation as well. I'm
| not particularly numeric so I was briefly excited (I tried an
| available number and realized it fit!) but then figured out
| that there were multiple solution.
|
| And finally lost because I too didn't realize that I could re-
| use an 8. I'd feel bad but it _could_ have been any of the
| choices I did take so ... maybe not so fun.
| cu3ba11 wrote:
| I somehow managed to get the right-hand side of the equation
| correct on the first try, which made finding the left-hand side
| fairly easy. I guess I'll have to wait until tomorrow to try the
| game out for real.
| mon_ wrote:
| Click the cog and enable "mini Nerdle" for another (easier)
| challenge
| core-utility wrote:
| I'd be curious to know how success/failure metrics look after a
| few days of users. How many actually reach success?
|
| Edit: I passed, barely.
| benatkin wrote:
| Did you make any guesses that couldn't possibly be correct
| given previous feedback? I made one by accident. _facepalm_
|
| On https://jamesl.me/hexle/ I made a guess that couldn't
| possibly be correct on purpose so that I could guess more
| digits. I've done the same with wordle. It's probably the least
| useful w/ Nerdle because it's just 9 digits.
| kleene_op wrote:
| Wew. That was surprisingly fun!
|
| I managed to do it in three guesses, but man was I slow.
| ankaAr wrote:
| I Will wait for the ndimensionsmatrixle(?
| scythmic_waves wrote:
| Well that was frustrating [1]. I know I should have guessed a
| different equation but I was like "there's no way I won't get
| it"...
|
| [1] https://imgur.com/a/AclSjx8
| [deleted]
| culi wrote:
| EDIT: game's over. It's already been done:
| https://rwmpelstilzchen.gitlab.io/wordles/
|
| Is anyone keeping track? So now we have:
|
| *wordlists*:
|
| - [wordle](https://www.powerlanguage.co.uk/wordle/): wordlist
| picked by creators partner
|
| - [byrdle](https://rbrignall.github.io/byrdle/): wordlist has to
| do with choral music
|
| - [lewdle](https://www.lewdlegame.com): lewd words
|
| - [sweardle](https://sweardle.com/): 4 letter "sweary" words
|
| - [plantle](https://plantle.netlify.app/):
| herbs/fruit/flora/shrooms/etc
|
| - [digitaltolkein](https://digitaltolkien.github.io/vue-wordle/):
| lotr words
|
| - [taylordle](https://www.taylordle.com/): words from taylor
| swift lyrics
|
| *math*:
|
| - [primel](https://converged.yt/primel/): 5-digit primes
|
| - [nerdle](https://nerdlegame.com/): math equations
|
| - [mathler](https://www.mathler.com): math equations
|
| - [mathle](https://mathlegame.com/): math equations
|
| - [hexle](https://jamesl.me/hexle/): guess the hexadecimal number
|
| - [byrtle](https://jamesl.me/bytle/): guess in base-10, but
| answers/guesses are converted to binary
|
| *other*:
|
| - [squirdle](https://squirdle.fireblend.com/): pokemon, tells you
| if you got the right gen, type, weight, etc
|
| - [absurdle](https://qntm.org/files/absurdle/absurdle.html):
| adversarial wordle
|
| - [dordle](https://zaratustra.itch.io/dordle): 2 words at once
|
| - [quordle](https://www.quordle.com/): 4 words at once
|
| - [wordle](https://worldle.teuteuf.fr/): countries, correctness
| based on distance
|
| - [letterle](https://edjefferson.com/letterle/): one letter
|
| - [squareword](https://squareword.org/): 2 dimensions!
|
| _languages_ :
|
| - [Yan Xie deYou bou](https://taximanli.github.io/kotobade-
| asobou/): kana (Japanese)
|
| - [wordle (es)](https://wordle.danielfrg.com/): spanish
|
| _not wordle_ :
|
| - [three magic words](https://www.threemagicwords.app/)
|
| ---
|
| Edit: added suggestions, categorized them, and added descriptions
|
| I guess I'm the one keeping track
| jedberg wrote:
| Don't forget [lewdle](https://www.lewdlegame.com), wordle but
| with only dirty words.
|
| And [mathler](https://www.mathler.com) which is the same as OP
| culi wrote:
| Thank you for preformatting :P Mathler seems a little less
| chaotic. I think I could actually enjoy nerdle if it had some
| limitation on one of the many variables to account for.
| Mathler seems to do exactly that
| jedberg wrote:
| Yeah after I wrote that I realized that on this one you
| have to solve for both the left and right size of the
| equation, whereas mathler tells you right right side. I
| think I prefer mathler for this reason.
| vollmond wrote:
| [sweardle](https://sweardle.com/): 4 letter words
| amenghra wrote:
| [Letterle](https://edjefferson.com/letterle/): one letter
| culi wrote:
| thanks I hate it
| f154hfds wrote:
| Also Lordle of the Rings: https://digitaltolkien.github.io/vue-
| wordle/
| 12ian34 wrote:
| Here's one I made earlier: Plantle[0]
|
| [0]:https://plantle.netlify.app/
| sp332 wrote:
| If you're including Letterle, you might as well add Horsle
| where the word is just always "Horse".
| https://horsle.glitch.me/
| sp332 wrote:
| My favorite so far is Dordle https://zaratustra.itch.io/dordle
| culi wrote:
| How exactly does this work? There's no instructions I can
| find anywhere
| sp332 wrote:
| There are two words. You only get to make one guess at a
| time, and it shows you the results for both words. The goal
| is to guess both words in seven guesses.
| culi wrote:
| thank you!
| duskwuff wrote:
| Same as Wordle, except more so. You're guessing two five-
| letter words at once.
| bencollier49 wrote:
| Also Byrdle, for Anglican Choral Music:
|
| https://rbrignall.github.io/byrdle/
| lapetitejort wrote:
| What's next: choosing political parties to form a coalition
| government.
| werdnapk wrote:
| Anyone done a flappy birdle yet?
| jimkleiber wrote:
| spanish: https://wordle.danielfrg.com/ 4 words in a square:
| https://squareword.org
| anthk wrote:
| In Spanish you can win almost all gameplays with "aires" or
| "seria" as the starting word.
| James-Livesey wrote:
| _math /other/idk exactly tbh_:
|
| - [bytle](https://jamesl.me/bytle)
|
| - [hexle](https://jamesl.me/hexle)
| onychomys wrote:
| Why do only two words at once with dordle when you could do
| four words at once with https://www.quordle.com
| cookie_monsta wrote:
| There is a fair-sized (417 entries) list over here:
|
| https://rwmpelstilzchen.gitlab.io/wordles/
| culi wrote:
| Ah thank you. I can get back to work now
| POiNTx wrote:
| [worldle] https://worldle.teuteuf.fr/
| cableshaft wrote:
| also Globle: https://globle-game.com/
| omoikane wrote:
| Japanese: https://taximanli.github.io/kotobade-asobou/
| somethingAlex wrote:
| Replying so I can find this later. Thanks!
| shagie wrote:
| If you click on the comment directly (
| https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30262341 ) you can click
| the favorite link.
|
| That will then let you find it via https://news.ycombinator.c
| om/favorites?id=somethingAlex&comm... (which is private)
| which can be found on your profile page.
| ClosedPistachio wrote:
| Pokemon: https://squirdle.fireblend.com/
| madars wrote:
| Taylordle: https://www.taylordle.com/ -- words from Taylor
| Swift lyrics
| lapetitejort wrote:
| I solved it in six using only three unique digits and one unique
| operator (excluding the required equals of course). I expected it
| to be more varied and grew more despondent as all of the digits
| and operators dropped away. Even with the restricted character
| set I'd expect the operators could produce some varied gameplay,
| but from the one puzzle I got I'm not too hopeful. Are these
| hand-designed, or random for each person?
| drivers99 wrote:
| If it's like wordle, then everyone gets the same puzzle on a
| given day. Your description matches what I played today (and is
| a partial spoiler; one great thing about wordle is that people
| have been good about not spoiling it). Tomorrow's may be quite
| different.
| lapetitejort wrote:
| Upon solving, I got a popup saying the next puzzle would be
| available exactly six hours from then. I suspected that meant
| that puzzles would be released to me on my schedule, and may
| or may not be unique.
| nextstep wrote:
| Cool idea.
|
| But here's the first game I played:
| https://pasteboard.co/NYP4YfnNj0kk.jpg
|
| Perfect example of why this doesn't really work. I didn't have
| enough information to narrow down the possible values that could
| solve the missing parts of the equation I stumbled on in the
| remaining tries.
| sebzim4500 wrote:
| Once you have the basic shape you make a guess where you
| collect as much information as possible. This was my attempt at
| the same equation https://imgur.com/a/7qGUC6k
| GlitchMr wrote:
| You don't have to play hard mode. No need to guess what you
| deduced already, you can make a guess that doesn't use your
| previous deductions.
| joebob42 wrote:
| I don't like that it doesn't understand that the equation doesn't
| change if I move stuff.
|
| I had x+y+x=z and it won't accept y+x+x or x+x+y
| 42jd wrote:
| Seems the strategy is to eliminate as many numbers/operators
| before you attempt to guess. Was able to get it in 4 as by the
| second row I had the set of values to work with.
| kawfey wrote:
| I played it for a while but found myself constantly opening my
| calculator or counting on my fingers. I failed at 4th grade times
| tables lol. I could solve it every time, between 4 and 6 tries,
| but it was just annoying to have to deal with stuff like that,
| and that it requires specific numbers in spaces...not expressions
| with the same numbers that evaluate the same e.g. 48/8+3=9 !=
| 3+48/8=9.
|
| This game type works so much better with word, at least with my
| brain.
| duck wrote:
| I didn't think this would work... but then I solved it and now I
| think it could be fun. Looking forward to tomorrow's game!
| [deleted]
| mspaper wrote:
| You lost, the word was...
| HPsquared wrote:
| I notice it doesn't have a "hard mode" like Wordle, I assume
| that's just too difficult?
| bhelkey wrote:
| I prefer to open with: 2*3+8=14 or 84/7-5=7.
|
| I find it tremendous important to find which place the equals
| sign is in while eliminating operators and digits.
| Kinrany wrote:
| 3*4+-7=5 and 10=8/2+6 cover everything but 9.
| bhelkey wrote:
| Ooh, that is good. I figured that +- would be invalid but
| nerdle accepts it.
| madacol wrote:
| nerdlegame 20 5/6
|
|
| https://nerdlegame.com #nerdle
| cableshaft wrote:
| 5/6 here too
|
| bbpppgbb bpppbgpg pbggbgbg gbggggbb gggggggg
| imachine1980_ wrote:
| the game is bad designed
|
| i have 2+8+ _=1_ literally won by chance if i decide test 2
| before 8 i would lose or worst the game is rig
| ancode wrote:
| nerdlegame 20 6/6
|
|
| https://nerdlegame.com #nerdle
| ask_b123 wrote:
| nerdlegame 20 4/6
|
|
| U+2B1B : BLACK LARGE SQUARE U+1F7EA : LARGE PURPLE SQUARE
| U+1F7E9 : LARGE GREEN SQUARE
| ancode wrote:
| ok so no emoji in comments I guess
| kodah wrote:
| Sir, this is a Wendy's.
| culi wrote:
| See also: 418 I'm a teapot
| f0e4c2f7 wrote:
| Wow this is really fun!
|
| Enjoy your $1M from NYT in a month.
| evanb wrote:
| nerdlegame 20 3/6
|
| gkmkkgkg
|
| ggkgkggg (emojis didn't render right in HN)
|
| gggggggg
|
| Knowing the answer I then opened a new tab to try something [that
| I won't detail to minimize spoilers for today's puzzle] and got
| linked to
|
| > >Number ordering and 'commutativity'
|
| >
|
| > We get it. 1+2 and 2+1 are effectively the same in maths
| because of a principle called 'commutativity'. In the same way, 3
| _4 = 4_ 3.
|
| >
|
| > However in Nerdle, the only perfectly correct answer is the one
| we're looking for, in the order we have it. So if our answer
| contains 1+2, we won't accept 2+1.
|
| >
|
| > We've spent hours playing with alternative commutative-friendly
| rules that would allow both 1+2 and 2+1. But so far, every
| variant we've tried is simply not as fun to play.
|
| >
|
| > If you feel the commutativity challenge costs you an extra
| attempt at a Nerdle challenge unfairly, you can always delete one
| line from your game emojis before you share them. We won't tell
| anyone, promise.
|
| The same issue afflicts mathle http://mathlegame.com/ and I think
| poses a fundamental issue with this game. In spelling there is a
| definite order. With commutative mathematical operations, not so.
| WRODLE!=WORDLE but 1+2+3==2+3+1. They might LOOK like different
| sentences, but they are not. They are the same. Sure, the glyphs
| are in different orders, but no aspect of the Platonic sum can
| distinguish them. They are one.
| jameshart wrote:
| RAISE and ARISE both mean 'the lift up', but they're different
| words, and you're not going to win a wordle for 'ARISE' with
| 'RAISE'.
|
| I'm not sure how you would want to win for getting the right
| number in the wrong place in a game which provides clues to
| find the right places by telling you when you have the right
| numbers in the wrong places.
| evanb wrote:
| Re RAISE and ARISE: they are not pointers to the same place
| in wordspace in the same way that 1+2+3 and 2+3+1 are in
| sumspace.
|
| Re your second point: I love wordle. I'd love a game with
| similar game play that obeyed mathematical principles. It
| seems that nobody has found the right set of rules yet!
| That's why I've been trying these once and stopping. I don't
| find their rules beautiful in the same way that I do
| wordle's.
| jstx1 wrote:
| This is very frustrating. It's like Wordle but without any of the
| nice or enjoyable elements.
| tluyben2 wrote:
| I liked it but I don't like the 1+2 != 2+1 ; I understand why
| it is but that is just annoying throwing away one go that you
| cannot really know. Which is different from Wordle, game play
| wise.
| cookie_monsta wrote:
| I am enjoying this one much more:
|
| https://www.mathler.com/
| [deleted]
| sxv wrote:
| I enjoyed it fwiw.
| jonny_eh wrote:
| You just described nearly every clone.
| capitainenemo wrote:
| What frustrated me was the guessing. By equation 3 I had
| everything narrowed down except the 1s place in the answer
| which was same as number in the equation. So, I spent the next
| 3 guesses trying the remaining digits, and eventually losing
| with 2 more digits left to try.
| lalaland1125 wrote:
| The trick is making guesses that you know are incorrect to
| rule out multiple digits at once.
| somethingAlex wrote:
| What do you mean by incorrect? The equation has to be
| valid, according to the rules. At some point I ended up
| with 2 + <x> + 8 = 1<y> where x = y because of math. I had
| 5 guesses left and 8 possibilities. That's just gambling
| without the money at that point.
| econnors wrote:
| you can make guesses that you know won't be the correct
| answer but eliminate the other choices (i.e. don't
| include 2, 8, or 1 in your guesses)
| [deleted]
| capitainenemo wrote:
| I guess he means construct an entirely different equation
| without using 2, 8 and 1 (you had same issue as me BTW).
|
| I don't really enjoy that at all personally, but it is a
| thing one could do.
|
| I don't guess impossible words in Wordle either :)
| somethingAlex wrote:
| Yeah I feel the same way. I want wordle to be about
| guessing words, not constructing some max entropy string
| within the constraints.
| bmm6o wrote:
| Sometimes it's what you need to do. If you know _IGHT,
| guessing the solution is not the best strategy since you
| get so little information each turn. You're much better
| off with FILMS or BLOWN, even if you know they can't be
| the solution.
| elondaits wrote:
| I use that same strategy in Wordle. Most often my first
| word is SOARE and the second is MINTY... unless I got
| like three matches in the first word, it's better to get
| extra data quickly.
| wartijn_ wrote:
| You should give hard mode a try. That makes it a lot less
| repetitive and more fun.
| gpsz wrote:
| TIL about hard mode. That's just how I've been playing
| naturally; force use the found letters in subsequent
| guesses.
| hvdijk wrote:
| It's all fun until you get something like FIGHT where the
| last four letters are right and have to just guess from
| LIGHT, MIGHT, RIGHT, SIGHT, TIGHT, WIGHT, anything I
| might have missed, and there's no way to use any strategy
| and you just have to randomly guess and hope you guess
| right.
| capitainenemo wrote:
| I can see that happening, although for some reason it
| hardly ever does with my usual guess strategies. I've
| only had one word result in a few candidates. The fact
| that it happened immediately and almost unavoidably in
| the nerdle made me think this really wasn't for me.
| scatters wrote:
| You can guess WARMS, which will either give you the
| answer (to input on the next try) or eliminate 4 of the
| possibilities, leaving only 2 to guess.
|
| That's a best case of 2 additional guesses and worst case
| of 3 (expectation of 2 1/3) which is better than your
| strategy, which has a best case of 1, worst case 6,
| expectation 3 1/2.
| hvdijk wrote:
| The comment I replied to started with "You should give
| hard mode a try." In hard mode, WARMS is not a valid
| followup guess.
| aardvark179 wrote:
| You can test every digit and symbol in 2 guesses. Once you've
| done that it normally takes another 1 or 2 guesses to get the
| answer.
| donaldihunter wrote:
| Yes, notably there is no hard mode. Elimination seems
| necessary in order to have a chance of completing in 6
| tries.
| low_tech_love wrote:
| I enjoyed it much more than I thought I would!
| tibbar wrote:
| I made a solver for this and did some comparison with Wordle:
| https://jacobbrazeal.wordpress.com/2022/02/07/solving-nerdle....
| TL;DR even though there's an order of magnitude more possible
| words, you can solve it in fewer average guesses than Wordle
| pretty consistently.
| nneonneo wrote:
| You note that the interface accepts a lot more words than are
| in the dictionary, much like the normal Wordle game. I wonder
| if you can exploit the full set of acceptable words to narrow
| down the possibility space even further? I would not be
| surprised if there's an equation in the full set that performs
| better than the equation you initially selected.
| pierrebai wrote:
| That's because there are fewer letters. In wordle, ignoring the
| fact that the word need to exists, you could make 5 guesses
| with 5 new letters each time and still not quite exhausting the
| letter space. With the math one, in two guesses you can figure
| out the digits.
|
| Also, I play wordle in the hardest mode, which forces you to
| always reuse known letters, which makes it a lot harder. (I
| also playu in a clone with an extended vocabulary here:
| https://www.arachnoid.com/wordgame/index.html)
| anthk wrote:
| Something like this is better, as the old TV game show
| https://kitsune.tuxfamily.org/wiki/doku.php?id=homepage
| de_keyboard wrote:
| This... doesn't work well. There are too many possible solutions
| given the clues, making it just luck.
|
| Consider: 2 + _ + 8 = 1 _
|
| Now _ could be 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 0
| lalaland1125 wrote:
| The trick is to rule out as many digits as possible using
| guesses that you know are wrong.
|
| 9 + 4 + 7 = 20 for example is a more efficient guess than
| naively trying to guess each pair.
|
| And there are even better guesses if you just use digits.
| ilikepi wrote:
| Yeah, and as with Wordle, I think there is some strategy that
| can be employed in the first couple guesses to aggressively
| eliminate digits and operators. Currently I use 3 * 5 + 2 =
| 17 as my first guess in order to try all the prime digits, 1,
| and the "easier" operators. There are probably better options
| though...
| stared wrote:
| It is the same thing as with Wordle, when there is only one
| letter missing and you have to iterate over the possibilities.
| In words, however, typically there are only 2-3 correct
| choices.
| csimon80 wrote:
| that was fun!
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