[HN Gopher] Structured Procrastination (1995)
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       Structured Procrastination (1995)
        
       Author : rnjailamba
       Score  : 102 points
       Date   : 2022-02-10 21:00 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | tandav wrote:
       | I find it extremely useful to shift focus from "I must get X
       | result" to what actions I can make right now, like within 1
       | minute.
       | 
       | Thinking about long-term results is stressful, because in reality
       | you only have short term buttons you can push.
       | 
       | It boils down to planning route on graph of small well known
       | actions / api-calls. When the graph does not fit into RAM and you
       | can't find route for too long you feel stressed, and its better
       | to play with small actions just for fun.
        
         | hypertele-Xii wrote:
         | Enduring that stress though will develop that very brain muscle
         | of long term planning. I mean, that's essentially our specie's
         | defining characteristic: delayed gratification through logical
         | reasoning. We _don 't_ just do the immediate and obvious
         | reaction on instinct, and surely postponing decisive action
         | causes stress in all mammals. It's the pain of knowledge.
         | Having to wait for a better idea when you could just act now
         | for a tangible result.
        
           | MetaWhirledPeas wrote:
           | I believe different people have a different response to this
           | stressor though. In ADHD people perhaps it is greatly
           | magnified.
           | 
           | Of course by nature it is unprovable, much like ADHD itself.
           | But anecdotally speaking I have always had a quite extreme
           | response when long-term thoughts enter my mind. Those that
           | fall under the "you must, or else" category can be quite
           | debilitating, and they never seem to lose their bite. I
           | remember the same response 40 years ago that I have today. I
           | have no problem functioning, but I "eat the elephant" the
           | same way the GP mentioned: one bite at a time. That
           | particular thought gives me great comfort. Elephants are
           | delicious.
        
           | tandav wrote:
           | When doing short term nearby things for fun I can keep that
           | flow state for many hours which usually gives more profit
           | 
           | If I think about too far goals which I can't break down to
           | simple actions there is high probability I'll start
           | procrastinate for many hours.
           | 
           | Complexity grows anyway as you learn, more advanced actions
           | will become single button to push.
        
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           | xpe wrote:
           | > Enduring that stress though will develop that very brain
           | muscle of long term planning.
           | 
           | This looks like a metaphor has gone too far.
           | 
           | But I'm open to evidence. On what basis might this claim be
           | true?
           | 
           | Also, I'd like you to argue the opposite: on what basis might
           | this false?
        
       | gms7777 wrote:
       | I have a post-it note in my desk drawer that reads "Don't
       | Prioritize, Just Keep Moving".
       | 
       | With ADHD, executive function is a challenge, and the moment I
       | try to slow down and actually plan out an entire day or I try to
       | force myself to do that one thing, my brain has a tendency to
       | just shut down. The way I get things done is just by doing the
       | next thing my brain latches onto.
       | 
       | Is this ideal? Of course not. But fortunately it (usually) works
       | reasonably well for my job, and the alternative involves being
       | more stressed and getting less done. That's not to say I don't
       | prioritize at all, but I try not to let it get in the way of my
       | flow.
        
         | travisjungroth wrote:
         | A variation of that I've had success with is prioritizing only
         | in a dedicated window and ideally automatically. These days
         | it's that I work on the most important stuff for a few hours in
         | the morning and drift from there. "Important" in this case will
         | be pretty obvious. Something more structured is I had good luck
         | with spending 30 minutes a day on my oldest tasks. I wrote a
         | script just to pop them up one at a time. It wouldn't be the
         | most important, but it helped make sure nothing stayed around
         | forever. I've also done 30 minutes a day on whatever I least
         | want to do. A small dedicated window is more doable than 8 or
         | 16 hours and is enough to keep things from getting stuck.
        
           | ngold wrote:
           | As an indy game dev. It is tough to keep on task. I fail
           | miserably all the time. But I'm better than I was.
        
         | grammers wrote:
         | From my experience, this works with most jobs. Keep in mind
         | that everybody is procrastinating - so as long as you keep
         | moving, you might get more done in a day with your approach
         | than anybody else!
        
         | gaoshan wrote:
         | Does medication help you? I've found that it is not actually
         | the magical panacea that it is often touted to be.
        
       | zuhayeer wrote:
       | Inspiration is the most colorful when you first come up with an
       | idea. Which is why the ideas we get dead in the middle of other
       | pressing tasks, are important to act on right away. That's why I
       | tend to complete my latest ideas first instead of following
       | chronology or any set order.
        
       | smackeyacky wrote:
       | Reading that essay, it sounds an awful lot like "Lean
       | Development"[0], although in my own work I have often found that
       | things that seem super urgent in one particular moment often
       | benefit a great deal from setting them aside as long as you can
       | stand, as that makes the requirements more concrete. It also
       | means that you don't end up doing work on things that probably
       | don't need doing.
       | 
       | I've been putting off (for a long time) one big, complicated user
       | requested feature on my mobile app to do with archiving/managing
       | a local database on the mobile device. It turned out that the
       | things I thought I needed 12 months ago I don't really need at
       | all, so procrastinating about it actually improved the delivered
       | experience.
       | 
       | I do procrastinate, but I think it's a useful trait when you find
       | yourself dealing with a big organisation that tends to throw off
       | useless tasks because somebody feels like if they aren't
       | producing requests, then they aren't being productive (middle
       | management disease).
       | 
       | [0]https://www.planview.com/resources/articles/lkdc-
       | principles-...
        
         | mrjangles wrote:
         | I remember reading a very long time ago that someone did some
         | research on this very subject and found that the majority of
         | problems go away if you don't deal with them. They concluded
         | that this could be part of the reason procrastination exists -
         | procrastinators had a genetic advantage in saving a lot of
         | energy.
        
       | jll29 wrote:
       | Procrastination is just a way to enjoy the time passing while the
       | brain in the background solves the task that - on surface
       | observation - is avoided.
       | 
       | (I really shouldn't be on HN, I should be reviewing conference
       | submissions and grading student exams now.)
        
         | cma wrote:
         | I think that people really aren't working on their taxes in the
         | background while procrastinating on taxes.
        
       | jpthurman wrote:
       | In the SOF / military community "prioritize and execute" is a way
       | of life. This works really well on short timelines with clearly
       | scoped tasks. But when timelines become fuzzy and scopes less
       | determinate it becomes an unwieldy mantra. The most important
       | things I have to do require the most consideration - so I find
       | that I work on them in my head - in the margins of time I have
       | between the grind of the day - and then when the timeline becomes
       | critical I have the brainstorming I needed already complete -
       | then it's time to execute. In the mean time I got a lot of
       | important things done - as the author suggests.
        
       | dang wrote:
       | Past threads:
       | 
       |  _Structured Procrastination_ -
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24884347 - Oct 2020 (9
       | comments)
       | 
       |  _Structured Procrastination (1995)_ -
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16941717 - April 2018 (38
       | comments)
       | 
       |  _Structured Procrastination: Do Less and Deceive Yourself_ -
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13617083 - Feb 2017 (78
       | comments)
       | 
       |  _Structured Procrastination: Do Less, Deceive Yourself, and
       | Succeed Long-Term_ -
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10151481 - Sept 2015 (79
       | comments)
       | 
       |  _Structured Procrastination_ -
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2514972 - May 2011 (2
       | comments)
       | 
       |  _Structured Procrastination - "the art of making procrastination
       | work for you"_ - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=212590 -
       | June 2008 (3 comments - top comment seems ironic now)
        
       | ycmjs wrote:
       | "Author practices jumping rope with seaweed while work awaits."
       | 
       | This caption under the photo cracked me up.
        
       | cowpig wrote:
       | Someone close to me read this early in their career and it had a
       | strong impact on him. I think its effect on his professional life
       | was disastrous.
       | 
       | He is a brilliant engineer whose work ethic is deplorable. He
       | only gets things done if he's either entered a state of
       | excitement about something, or in a state of panic. He's
       | completely unreliable professionally, and notoriously difficult
       | to work with.
       | 
       | I am convinced that my friend would be much happier if he had
       | never read this.
       | 
       | Follow the author's advice at your own peril.
        
         | SomewhatLikely wrote:
         | I also read this years ago and it has stuck with me to the
         | point I even remembered the yellow background. However, despite
         | being affected by the idea when I read it and still thinking
         | back to it from time to time I can't say it has really shaped
         | how I decide what to do next. For one thing, it still requires
         | some internal motivation to practice because whatever the next
         | task is will always be competing with just doing nothing
         | productive at all. Unfortunately I don't have an answer to
         | prescribe some better system.
        
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