[HN Gopher] Citizen sleuths exposed pollution from a century-old...
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       Citizen sleuths exposed pollution from a century-old Michigan
       factory (2019)
        
       Author : hammock
       Score  : 61 points
       Date   : 2022-02-15 20:26 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.science.org)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.science.org)
        
       | titzer wrote:
       | I used to be a libertarian. I used to think that private
       | ownership of property, coupled with a free market (and something
       | vague about an informed citizenship and consumers voting with
       | their dollars) was the solution to most of modern society's ills.
       | 
       | It's articles like this that absolutely refute the idea that
       | private ownership of property leads to good environmental
       | outcomes (it doesn't; it leads to exploitative, destructive
       | extraction of value from land, leaving behind carnage whose
       | damage was estimated at below the bottom line, leaving a
       | comfortable margin for profit) and that citizens would be
       | proactive and well-informed (they aren't; they are constantly
       | stonewalled, lied to, and officials stupid or paid off).
       | 
       | Now, ironically, in this advanced state of tech today, we have
       | finally got the tools that citizens _can_ be informed about the
       | environmental impacts...of decades dead corporations and
       | gluttonous barons that have long since moved on from the smoking,
       | toxic craters they knowingly created. What an exciting future we
       | have now, mining the graveyard of a century of bad policy,
       | dealing with the lies and denial of others, and a complete lack
       | of accountability. Meanwhile, these toxins, here a trace, there a
       | torrent, sit as mute reminder of the horrible cost we 've exacted
       | on this planet (so far).
        
         | vkou wrote:
         | Fortunately, Snowcrash's libertarian utopia has a solution to
         | this exact problem, in the form of a little placard.
         | SACRIFICE ZONE WARNING              The National Parks Service
         | has declared this area to be a National Sacrifice Zone.
         | The Sacrifice Zone Program was developed to manage parcels of
         | land         whose clean-up cost exceeds their total future
         | economic value.
        
       | woodruffw wrote:
       | I thought this part was worth highlighting:
       | 
       | > The group, which ultimately named itself Concerned Citizens for
       | Responsible Remediation (CCRR), collected maps, dug into
       | newspaper archives, and filed requests for public records.
       | Members spoke with scientists knowledgeable about tannery
       | chemicals and hired an environmental attorney with a background
       | in geology to help them strategize.
       | 
       | This is a great example of civic action leading to results. But
       | it's an even better reminder that you need nontrivial resources,
       | in the form of time and money, to get companies to admit
       | wrongdoing and to nudge the government (at any level) to do
       | anything about it. For every ex-company town that succeeds in
       | this kind of recognition, there are ten others (usually, but not
       | always, poorer and not as white) that are quietly suffering from
       | externalized pollution.
        
         | throwaway0a5e wrote:
         | People don't really care about 100yo pollution that makes them
         | and their neighbors marginally more cancerous when $3+ gas
         | actually hurts them today and the wastewater plant is a museum
         | of obsolete equipment. There's a fine line between "poorer
         | towns suffering an externalized problem" and "poorer towns have
         | other bigger problems that are more deserving of resources" and
         | "poorer towns that don't really GAF because the industry in
         | question is still economically important".
        
           | mikeyouse wrote:
           | Which is a perfect role for a strong regulator -- towns
           | shouldn't have to weigh the tradeoffs of being poisoned.
           | FWIW, Rockford isn't a poor town in any case, median income
           | is like $70k/year which is very comfortable in the Midwest.
        
         | mikeyouse wrote:
         | The fracking disposal industry will likely be one of the next
         | big dominoes to fall. It's awash in lowest-bidder LLCs dumping
         | all sorts of horrifying chemicals wherever they can get away
         | with it.
         | 
         | A few have been busted so far but with the explosion of
         | fracking / waste in the past 15 years - there's no way for
         | regulators to stay on top of it.
         | 
         | https://www.opb.org/news/article/radioactive-fracking-waste-...
         | 
         | > The agency found that Chemical Waste Management dumped nearly
         | 1,284 tons of radioactive waste it received from Goodnight
         | Midstream over a period of three years, totaling over 2.5
         | million pounds.
         | 
         | ..
         | 
         | > Initially, Chemical Waste Management had no records of a
         | relationship with Goodnight Midstream. But it was later
         | confirmed that the North Dakota company contracted a third
         | party, Oilfield Waste Logistics, to dispose of its solid waste.
         | Shipping manifests showed that OWL was sending Goodnight
         | Midstream's waste to Arlington.
         | 
         | https://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/2014/03/fracking_com...
         | 
         | > The owner of a Youngstown oil- and gas-drilling company
         | pleaded guilty today to ordering an employee to dump tens of
         | thousands of gallons of fracking waste into a tributary of the
         | Mahoning River.
        
       | mikeyouse wrote:
       | I had an idea when I was younger to use this type of
       | investigative activism as a way to short publicly traded
       | companies and fund an ever-increasing amount of pollution
       | investigation. Unfortunately massive pollution scandals barely
       | dent share prices since enforcement is so lax and slow, and many
       | of the worst offenders have closed shop after pillaging the land.
       | A shame since it's not in the 'public' interest to bring this
       | stuff to light since governments have to pay to clean it up.
        
         | kingsloi wrote:
         | What an interesting idea! Seems like the only way to have any
         | impact is to upset shareholders.
         | 
         | I've been working on trying to highlight the issue in
         | Gary/Northwest Indiana by trying to be a "citizen sleuth" by
         | tracking air pollution and open sourcing the data. Still a WIP,
         | but recently added gas tracking to the data too
         | https://millerbeach.community
         | 
         | You're right about worst offenders closing shop after
         | pillaging, or they just sell and move on to the next location.
         | 
         | In 2019 ArcelorMittal spilled cyanide and ammonia into a Lake
         | Michigan tributary, closing the National Park, local water
         | intake, killing 3000 fish, etc.
         | 
         | In December 2020, ArcelorMittal was bought by Cleveland-Cliffs
         | for $1.4 billion.
         | 
         | Cleveland-Cliffs made record $20 billion in revenue in 2021.
         | https://www.nwitimes.com/business/local/cleveland-cliffs-mad...
         | 
         | A local news article from today:
         | https://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/consen...
         | 
         | > The proposed consent decree requires Cleveland-Cliffs to
         | complete "comprehensive operational upgrades to the steel mill
         | to prevent future cyanide and ammonia violations," the
         | environmental groups said."
         | 
         | > The steelmaker agreed to improve its notification procedures
         | and pay $3 million in civil penalties, which are to be split
         | between Indiana and the U.S. Treasury.
         | 
         | $3 million, and to prevent future cyanide/ammonia violations...
         | but still dump into Lake Michigan. Aren't we lucky!
        
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