[HN Gopher] Quordle: Four Wordles in One ___________________________________________________________________ Quordle: Four Wordles in One Author : a-bit-of-code Score : 251 points Date : 2022-02-17 14:24 UTC (8 hours ago) (HTM) web link (www.quordle.com) (TXT) w3m dump (www.quordle.com) | VikingCoder wrote: | Maybe this takes the fun out of it, but with Quordle, I've had | great success with: | | TUBES | | FLING | | CHAMP | | WORDY | | With those, I've always completed all four... | tshaddox wrote: | I have less fun with that sort of strategy (I like hard mode in | Wordle). But in this variant I find it exceedingly difficult if | I _don 't_ employ this sort of strategy. | gary_chambers wrote: | I see you played the same meta-game that I did. It took me a | few tries, but I ended up with: WHISK, FRONT, GLADE, BUMPY. | | Probably not in the spirit of the game, but once you have 20 | distinct letters, it is normally quite easy to find the | solution. | mwigdahl wrote: | Mine are SHIRT, WOMEN, BLACK, PUDGY. I like that order as it | hits most of the high-frequency letters up front to enable | the odd early snipe. | CSMastermind wrote: | Well if we're sharing mine are: SPINE, WORLD, THUMB, and | JACKY. | core-utility wrote: | This was surprisingly more achievable than I thought it would be, | and provides a nice challenge with some strategy. | willis936 wrote: | After a few practices to get me out of hard-mode-wordle mode I | have found that spending the first 4 guesses on an exhaustive | search of letters (picking words with letters in common | positions) seems to be universally the best opening. Pursuing | individual words before 3 guesses is not optimal. | SubiculumCode wrote: | My favorite variant yet. | throwawaynay wrote: | just when I thought we couldn't imagine more wordle variants!nice | :D | GoodJokes wrote: | calvinmorrison wrote: | As many of you I took a jab at a wordle solver. That wasn't so | hard. | | Then I said, how can I guarantee as a human, I win, in 6 moves | almost 100% of the time? | | "Quick Brown Fox", as in, use as many possible letters in the | alphabet, comprised of 5 letter words, given that we have only 5 | words to play with. That gives us 25 characters to use. | | I came up with | | BLOCK VENTS JUMPY DWARF GHAZI | | this leaves out Q and X, which is fine. Using this as a template | basically boils Wordle down to a anagram game, so kind of defeats | the purpose. | | But in this case, i was able to resolve all 4 at one time using | my above combination. I guessed, correctly all 4 with PLUMB GLEAN | VALID IMPLY. I then realized, you get even more chances on | Quordle, but I didn't need it! | DungZeekFu wrote: | True, if you are only shooting to solve it in 9 then it can be | easy with the right strategy. But many in our friend group are | no longer satisfied with 9 and want 7 or fewer guesses :) | david_allison wrote: | Doesn't work effectively for Quordle. | | You have 9 guesses. This takes up 5 of them, then you need to | be correct for each of the 4 words. | imglorp wrote: | 4,6,7,9 | oliwary wrote: | Fun! | | I made one with a 5x5 square of letters, containing five words | down and five across: https://squareword.org/ | | A bit like a combination of crosswords and Wordle, as vertical | words can be used for additional clues. | tfvlrue wrote: | I've been playing this for a couple weeks now and have really | enjoyed it. Well done! | oliwary wrote: | Thank you! I am very glad you are enjoying it. | NAHWheatCracker wrote: | This is really neat and polished! | te wrote: | I think this (squareword) would be even more fun with a toggle | button to transpose the square. | danparsonson wrote: | Really nice but... surely 'Squardle'? :-) | madcaptenor wrote: | There was already a Squardle: https://fubargames.se/squardle/ | danparsonson wrote: | Ah well there we go; wow that one is confusing... | | edit: ...but interesting! | MattRix wrote: | Yeah squardle is convoluted but feels surprisingly | satisfying to solve. | madcaptenor wrote: | It took me a few tries to get it but I'm pretty into it | now. | aidenn0 wrote: | Nice, but seems to use a fairly restrictive word list compared | to other games; might make it more attractive to some people as | I have friends who say that "ZA" sums up everything wrong with | scrabble in one word... | oliwary wrote: | Thanks for the feedback! Do you mean in the square itself or | the possible guess words? Tried to calibrate the square | itself for a good balance between challenge and reasonably | common words. | layer8 wrote: | Not the GP, but "April" isn't in the word list. | aidenn0 wrote: | Many (most?) word games forbid any words that are always | capitalized. As either a month or a first name, April is | capitalized. | aidenn0 wrote: | Possible guess words. "unlid" and "mirly" are (possibly | over-optimized) good second guesses in wordle. | oliwary wrote: | That is fair! I feel like those should definitely be | allowed. I am using a wordlist based on this: | http://wordlist.aspell.net/12dicts-readme/ which is | public domain and has about 6k 5-letter words, compared | to the Wordles 12k. If anybody knows any other good | royalty free wordlists I would definitely be interested. | :) | aidenn0 wrote: | https://github.com/elasticdog/yawl is fairly standard for | word-games. | | [edit] | | Seems possible that wordle uses it given the 12k number: | grep '^.....$' word.list|wc -l 12036 | oliwary wrote: | Thank you so much aidenn0! This looks great, will | integrate it in the next update. | [deleted] | hexciple wrote: | Been playing this one for a while, and I love it. I know it | won't always line up this way, but the other day I was able to | fill in 4 remaining words with 3 guesses and finished with a | score of 8, felt great. | sand500 wrote: | Heh, I got this as a interview question years ago. | | Given a list of words, see if there exists a valid 5x5 square | of words. | saurik wrote: | This forces you to type extremely slowly to the point where it | feels super awkward :(. | oliwary wrote: | Hmm odd! Thanks for the feedback. I think it may be related | to the material ripple effect on the keys. Pushed an update | now that hopefully fixes it. | calrueb wrote: | Going to echo all the other positive comments. This is the most | fun variation I have played. On my first try I failed to complete | it, then went and did a practice round with some smarter initial | word choices and won (barely!) | lupire wrote: | Needs work to fit above the fold on small screens. Show fewer | rows of guesses, especially early. | saurik wrote: | Just wait until you try Octordle! | | https://octordle.com/ | SubiculumCode wrote: | interesting. but its a pain to scroll. I wish this went wide | screen. | CSMastermind wrote: | That was actually really fun. I wonder at what point it stops | scaling. | | My feeling is that as long as I get 4 + number of boards | guesses I'll always be able to solve it but maybe I'm being | overly optimistic. | emp_ wrote: | 16 :) http://www.sedecordle.com/?mode=daily | neogodless wrote: | Guessed in 2,4,5,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19 | mpettitt wrote: | The keyboard only shows the top four boards though! | fullshark wrote: | I thought this was a troll game until I played it and enjoyed it | thoroughly! Good job. | tobr wrote: | Phew, 7/9/4/5. Got the last one with a pretty wild guess at the | end. This was the most fun Wordle variation I've come across so | far, will definitely come back to play tomorrow. | DungZeekFu wrote: | Hi everyone I am the creator of Quordle and I am glad that people | are enjoying playing it :) | | I also appreciate all the feedback and I am looking to improve | the experience when playing on desktop! | | You can follow the @quordle Twitter for updates as well! | akersten wrote: | It's really cool! one small request: Can you switch the colors | for "guessed, not in word" and "not guessed yet" letters on the | keyboard? It's opposite from the original and makes it | confusing. | DungZeekFu wrote: | I am working on tweaking the keyboard to be more clear so | stay tuned for updates very soon around this! | dkonofalski wrote: | If you need CSS help or help with the responsive design, let me | know! I'd be happy to help. Switched from Wordle after NYT to | Quordle and definitely prefer the challenge of Quordle. | willis936 wrote: | I'm getting some weird words in practice such as "FETID" and | "SHALT". Is it reasonable to increase the cutoff of word usage | for the dictionary? | homonculus1 wrote: | Those are great words | willis936 wrote: | What about POESY? | altairprime wrote: | I love this. Thank you for this. | autoexec wrote: | Getting rid of the google tracker would be nice. I was | disappointed to see the New York Times added one to the | original game after they moved it. | fourseventy wrote: | Use adblock? | autoexec wrote: | I do, which is how I immediately noticed it was there when | I went to the site. I'm just not a big fan of the "I've got | mine so screw everyone else" mentality and I'm happy to | suggest making simple changes that will improve things for | others. | wil93 wrote: | One suggestion: could you put the four games side-by-side when | the horizontal space allows it? | | With a 1792px width (Macbook Pro 16) I have to scroll | vertically to see all the games while there is plenty of unused | horizontal space | gdfgjhs wrote: | Yeah I came here to say same thing. I find it hard to | concentrate when bottom two boards are cutoff. | loudmax wrote: | I agree. If there's empty space on the screen, you shouldn't | need to scroll. | | But after a practice round, I didn't need to scroll anyway | because I got today's puzzle in 3/4/5/7, so whoohoo! | djrobstep wrote: | Hey my partner plays a lot of quordle and had the following | feedback: | | Three things: | | 1. Love it! Thank you! | | 2. Could there be a better contrast between keyboard letters | and the game board? They're a bit too similar. I use dark mode, | but it seems there is the same lack of definition in light mode | as well. | | 3. Is there any way the whole game could be visible on mobile | (e.g. iPhone12 Max) so the last few rows of the game board | don't need to be scrolled? | sveno wrote: | This is really neat. That's all I wanted to say. Thank you for | building it. | cjkarr wrote: | Amazing work. I'll be adding it to my daily routine. | TuringNYC wrote: | Which word dictionary did you use? I tried coding my own but | was surprised as how messy all the dictionaries are. | aardshark wrote: | First, loving this version, it's just the right amount of | difficulty. It's slowly overtaking Wordle in my group. | | Are the colors in dark mode different to Wordle? I find it | harder to remember which gray means unguessed and which means | no matches. | | The keyboard doesn't display correctly with split colors on | Firefox Android, but the numbers at the end do. | | Lastly, the share is too large. I tend to just cut off the | actual boards and just post the numbers. | tshaddox wrote: | I like this one. I've been playing it a lot the last few days. Is | it just me, or is it immensely more difficult than Wordle? I | think I only get all 4 correct maybe 25% of the time. | zto wrote: | It would be wonderful if this style of game had the option to | render all the letters in lowercase, my brain just seems to treat | different case symbols as representing different letters. | cableshaft wrote: | Of all the variants I've come across so far, I think this one has | the most staying power. I think I might prefer it to the | original. | | I do kind of wish you got one more guess, though, especially if | you get stuck, like I did today, having 4 Greens but 5 | possibilities for the final letter. | yhoneycomb wrote: | I also which it shared it simply as | | Daily Quordle #22 | | 7 6 | | 9 4 | | vs. | | Daily Quordle #23 | | 7 6 | | 9 4 quordle.com | | | Maybe you could add a link if you want to expand to the second | one. But it's just too long for sharing. | DungZeekFu wrote: | That's an interesting idea! It could be cool to have a share | link that could rebuild the emoji grid. | altairprime wrote: | 4 states x 5 letters x 9 guesses is only 180 possible | stoplight strings (of green/yellow/gray/black), if I'm | doing my math right? So you could just pick 180 emoji and | use four of them :) | reissbaker wrote: | I thought about this as well, but sadly, last I checked | some decently popular apps (Twitter, WhatsApp, some | others) don't support emojis in URL paths, only in domain | names. So the emoji technique could work for message | threads in some apps, but it would look pretty strange in | others. | | (I've been helping @DungZeekFu a bit with Quordle and am | curious for any ideas around this though!) | sveno wrote: | I could see something like this beating out the original. | Wordle has to be 1x/day because there are only a couple | thousand common 5-letter words (around 2300, if I recall | correctly). It would turn repetitive. This game has O(N^4) | combinations, so it can be played over and over. | MattRix wrote: | I agree that Quordle is compelling but not sure I see your | argument for how Wordle would get repetitive. 2300 is six | years worth of words. They could shuffle the word list every | 4 years and it'd be fine. | | I think a big part of what makes Wordle compelling is the | ritualistic daily nature so not seeing how this would beat it | out. | treve wrote: | If you sometimes fail, I feel the balance (for you) is right =) | brk wrote: | Would be cool to rollover the unused guesses from the solved | ones to the remaining ones. | cableshaft wrote: | BTW, I should say I have gotten it 2 out of the 3 times I've | played it so far, so it's _probably_ enough guesses, just today | I really wished there was one more. | layer8 wrote: | The number of guesses are fine IMO. While I needed one more | guess, I also had made an unnecessary guess by mistake. | Vaskerville wrote: | Why stop at four? | missedthecue wrote: | They didnt! | | https://octordle.com/ | manwe150 wrote: | Next up: 10K wordle. You have unlimited guesses and must avoid | guessing any word not in the final list of 10000 solution | words. Your score is the number of right guesses before you | miss a guess. | NextHendrix wrote: | I'd like to see a cross between this and Absurdle | jermeh wrote: | I like this one quite a bit. I find Wordle fun, but a bit plain | sometimes. Quordle really makes me think out of the box to | optimize across the grids. | | side note: I've gotten most of them, but today's ruined my | streak. | jetbooster wrote: | I feel like todays words were designed specifically to ruin the | day of the 'ROATE' users | Packofbezens wrote: | Agree, 'STARE' is my go-to in regular wordle and this one | stumped me at first. Still managed a 4/5/7/6 solve :) | kodablah wrote: | This is getting close to by idea of "Borgle = Boggle + Wordle". | | Basically the idea is there is a boggle board generated and all | N-letter word paths found. The paths are made available to click | on (there are a few UI approaches to this). Once a path is | selected you enter Wordle mode for that path. Every guess must | still be a real word, but the neat part is if you even nail a | single letter, it appears on the Boggle board. And that letter | immediately appears as solved on any other path that overlaps it. | You can jump/revisit paths at any time. | | Goal is to complete the board (unsure if there will be guess | limit, letters that are not on any path of course are | automatically visible/correct on game start). The completion | sharing will be a matrix of numbers instead of colors showing how | many guesses of that space across any path were made until the | first right letter was achieved. Boggle board size configurable | as is the min/max word letters (5x5 w/ only 5-letter words by | default). | | There are some neat strategies here of path choice/switching and | guessing wrong words intentionally in overlapping paths. Will dev | if I ever get the time, but feel free to steal the idea and make | it. | AtlasBarfed wrote: | This is the best one so far! | | This is like when I discovered calcudoku 12x12s and now sudokus | are dumb and boring. Just a lot better. | | May the NYT acquire you for the level-up option. | mattcantstop wrote: | What I have loved about this iteration of the idea is that I | often don't solve the problem. That makes it more fun to me. I | like the difficult level. | amptorn wrote: | This feels like a cheap ripoff of Dordle: | https://zaratustra.itch.io/dordle | | If you're going to put your own spin on Wordle, have at it, many | others have, but at least demonstrate some creativity. | dkonofalski wrote: | Are you sure Dordle came out first? It's only a few weeks old, | according to your link. | amptorn wrote: | Yes? Per the "History of Quordle": | https://www.quordle.com/#?overlay=tutorial | | > It all started on January 29, 2022 when I saw an article | mentioning Dordle by Guilherme S. Tows and we all started | playing it as a group. It was a blast to play something more | difficult than Wordle | dkonofalski wrote: | Ahhh. So 2 words instead of 4. You're going to be really | disappointed by Octordle and Septurdle, then. | xmprt wrote: | This game is pretty cool but it doesn't play well on desktops | because you have to scroll to see all four words. In my opinion | it would be better to have all four side by side instead of | trying to fit a mobile design for desktop websites. | jonny_eh wrote: | Should use a responsive layout. | globular-toast wrote: | I zoomed out. | legohead wrote: | Suggestion: I play and share Dordles via screenshots. I'd like to | do the same with this but I don't want to use two screenshots | (have to scroll down). Can you have an option to sit these side | by side? | layer8 wrote: | Or a "hard mode" where the four words are multiplexed. :) | przefur wrote: | A nice implementation, I really enjoy the practice tab. As many | suggested already, it plays poorly on desktops/laptops, I have to | scroll to see all four words, would be nice to see horizontally | arranged windows. | treebeard24 wrote: | gundmc wrote: | Neat, but I think the keyboard coloring could use tweaking. It | wasn't immediately obvious to me which were unguessed letters and | which were guessed but unmatched. | not2b wrote: | I was so close, solved three and was down to two choices for the | fourth (I knew four letters but there were two words and I | guessed the wrong one). | | I used grep to help with the searching. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2022-02-17 23:00 UTC)