[HN Gopher] Oilslick - an elevation map showing fine detail in t...
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       Oilslick - an elevation map showing fine detail in terrain
        
       Author : mleonhard
       Score  : 94 points
       Date   : 2022-02-19 19:06 UTC (3 hours ago)
        
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       | pmichaud wrote:
       | This is awesome! I've spent a lot of time thinking about similar
       | issues and making do with 16bit grayscale, but reading
       | interactive maps or tiles from apis, I've seen all the problems
       | mentioned in the intro, and it only took me a couple minutes to
       | get the hang of reading the weird light bands. I don't know if
       | it'll catch on, but I think it's a really cool effort!
        
       | clairity wrote:
       | the potential effects of rising water levels are pretty clearly
       | outlined in coastal areas like california. most of silicon
       | valley, as well as LA, would be underwater and the central valley
       | would become a large inland sea.
        
         | tomjakubowski wrote:
         | No. Most of LA is shielded by bluffs and coastal hills and
         | mountains. Even at 10 feet of sea level rise, within LA County
         | only Long Beach and areas of Venice near the marina would
         | really be affected. Some beachfront property in the South Bay,
         | too.
         | 
         | https://coast.noaa.gov/slr/#/layer/slr/10/-13087637.78362574...
        
           | clairity wrote:
           | no, it's not. LA is a river basin historically, and even with
           | some bluffs, it's not protected enough from ingress all
           | around (and water falls from the sky too!).
           | 
           | the simulator you linked to makes no sense (or maybe it's
           | broken in my ad-blocking browser). it shows ingress on palos
           | verdes, which is basically a mini-mountain right on the shore
           | that would become an island with enough sea rise.
        
       | HPsquared wrote:
       | This is in general a really nice way to visualise datasets which
       | have both a wide range of values, and "relative" local variations
       | that comprise a small fraction of the overall range.
        
       | webstrand wrote:
       | I wish the map had some kind of reference key, or the ability to
       | query for height at any given point. It seems like the color-
       | scheme breaks down on very steep slopes, like those of the Andes
       | in Chile.
       | 
       | I also wonder if Greenland is actually that smooth, or if the
       | elevation sample rate is just much lower for inland Greenland.
        
         | martyvis wrote:
         | The key is at the right of the map.
        
         | lazide wrote:
         | Isn't inland Greenland mostly ice?
        
       | hyperpape wrote:
       | This seems effective at showing how nearby areas relate to each
       | other (or at least where ridges and changes are) and hopeless at
       | global comparisons. After staring at it for a little while, I
       | have no intuitive sense of what any area's height is, unless it's
       | the orangey/black colors that appear near sea-level, or the
       | bluish color that appears in the himalayas.
        
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       | tombh wrote:
       | I can clearly see the ancient geological strata of Carboniferous
       | and Devonian rock layers in my home country of Wales,
       | particularly Pembrokeshire and the Gower! So my layman theory
       | would be that tectonics pushed these once horizontal layers
       | nearer to the vertical, and that weathering processes eroded them
       | slightly differently, giving each layer slight height differences
       | that are imperceptible on most terrain colourshcemes, but
       | Oilslick happily highlights. Hats off
        
       | clusterfish wrote:
       | Interesting idea, but elevations lower than 50m or so are colored
       | black as if they're water. Looks like an apocalyptic flood. Don't
       | understand why the author didn't make sea level a clearly visible
       | threshold.
        
         | sebow wrote:
         | I somewhat like the map precisely because of this fact.Waters
         | and oceans are not at the end of the day solid, however vast
         | they might be(however this is not to say this map is fully
         | about elevation, because underwater elevation is mostly missing
         | if not existent).Though it might look unnecessarily
         | apocalyptic, it's somewhat a good reference of how the tectonic
         | plates, the planet, and everything else in nature evolves.I'm
         | personally fascinated for example by the both 'negative'
         | (rivers) and 'positive' (hills, pre-mountain areas) that form
         | tree-like structures.If we used traditional elevation map such
         | quirks would be less noticeable, at least in my opinion
        
           | clusterfish wrote:
           | It's just a strange choice given that the author is lamenting
           | about how traditional relief maps don't represent both
           | coastlines and high mountain terrain well... And then
           | proceeds to not represent coastlines well, even though that
           | would definitely be possible with their approach.
        
       | FpUser wrote:
       | This looks like a piece of art. Very nice.
        
       | deschutes wrote:
       | It doesn't do a very good job of delineating the coast. Seems
       | like +- 50 ft is black. Puget sound is unrecognizable on my
       | display.
        
         | genericone wrote:
         | Looks like you want a section view type feature, automatically
         | at sea level. I think that would be useful if the color delta
         | is right.
        
       | rendall wrote:
       | > _This creates a zig-zagging pattern of the lightness level.
       | Each cycle, or zig+zag from black - white - black again, covers
       | 500m of elevation._
       | 
       | I find this zig-zagging of lightness level very difficult to
       | interpret. Greenland looks to me like a series of concentric
       | hills. Perhaps if I were to get used to it, it would become
       | easier to understand.
       | 
       | But the monochrome areas are really neat to see, and it's very
       | easy to understand what's happening geologically in, say,
       | Finland.
       | 
       | A feature I would like to see is a shareable URL for regions.
       | 
       | Northern Scandinavia looks positively Lovecraftian.
        
         | twofornone wrote:
         | >Greenland looks to me like a series of concentric hills.
         | 
         | What you are looking at is an implicit contour map - normally
         | these lines are drawn in post processing to highlight levels of
         | constant elevation. If you follow the "concentric hills" you
         | are staying level and going around the hill. If you move
         | perpendicular to them you are going straight up the slope in
         | the direction of the gradient.
        
       | SECProto wrote:
       | The is one of the coolest maps I've seen. I thought that showing
       | strong contrast on minor elevation changes would hide
       | information, but it does the opposite. Great resource and great
       | summary on the left tab thing
        
       | pbowyer wrote:
       | This makes seeing the rivers and catchment areas easier than
       | other maps I'm used to.
       | 
       | It also easily highlights features that the sea has cut away in
       | the past. For example if you search "Isle of Wight" and scroll
       | west, you can see the ridge that runs W-E across the Isle of
       | Wight continuing on the Isle of Purbeck to the west. I knew that
       | a long time ago it was all joined up as land, but this map shows
       | this particular feature more clearly than a geology map.
        
       | usrusr wrote:
       | That's a nice experiment, take something a mundane as contour
       | lines, turn it to eleven and see where it gets you.
       | 
       | Is it a materialized remapping of the underlying .hgt or is it
       | done client-side, in some webGL-shader? (if we'd even need that,
       | plain js or wasm might be good enough these days?) I could
       | imagine this being even more compelling if we could interactively
       | shift the remapping to put regions we are currently interested in
       | into high saturation parts (and/or scaling it down to make
       | mountain ranges "readable").
       | 
       | Another, even simpler reading help would be sampling the color at
       | the mouse position and displaying a translation into meters.
       | 
       | In any case, the vertical perception amplification (compared to
       | other visualisations) is truly awesome! in my region I can easily
       | make out the forest offsets that SRTM and LIDAR data happens to
       | come with, and bigger roads cutting through those forests.
        
       | trs8080 wrote:
       | I think there's a misunderstanding of the data here. It appears
       | that the underlying data used for this map is DEM data
       | (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_elevation_model), which
       | encodes values in the red, green, and blue channels of an image
       | representation of a geographic area. You're not supposed to
       | visualize this data directly -- instead, you combine those values
       | in a simple formula to obtain a height value, then you use _that
       | value_ to create visual maps. This map just restyles what is
       | geographically analogous to the binary representation of  "hello,
       | world" instead of the output itself.
       | 
       | You can search google for "terrain map" or "elevation map" and
       | find many beautiful examples of accurate elevation data.
       | 
       | Edit: This is a good tutorial on how to derive the correct
       | values: https://github.com/syncpoint/terrain-rgb
        
         | sahkopoyta wrote:
         | >You're not supposed to visualize this data directly --
         | instead, you combine those values in a simple formula to obtain
         | a height value, then you use that value to create visual maps.
         | 
         | Isn't this exactly what has been done here? You can even see
         | the legend at the right side of the screen.
        
           | trs8080 wrote:
           | This still shows the uncombined components. What does the
           | color blue represent in this map? Is it a height? -500m?
           | 5000m? 6000m? What does white represent? This map is a
           | fundamental misrepresentation of the underlying data.
           | 
           | This is the formula:
           | 
           | height = -10000 + ((R * 256 * 256 + G * 256 + B) * 0.1)
        
       | lolc wrote:
       | Wow! I went looking at my region and it was so easy to see the
       | river valleys and plains. Before, I only had a rational
       | understanding how downstream will always be lower. This is the
       | first time I intuitively saw where water flows on a map!
        
         | samwillis wrote:
         | If you didn't see it a few weeks ago this was submitted to HN:
         | 
         | https://river-runner-global.samlearner.com/
         | 
         | "Drop a raindrop anywhere in the world and watch where it ends
         | up"
         | 
         | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29841737
         | 
         | Super fun!
        
       | zestyping wrote:
       | I get that this is something I need to learn to read, and that
       | there is the potential for it to be extremely useful once I have
       | learned how to read it.
       | 
       | It's hard to learn, though, without quick feedback on whether I'm
       | reading it correctly. It would be a big help to show the
       | elevation wherever I'm pointing -- either with a miniature scale
       | or a number or both -- so I can get direct feedback on whether
       | it's increasing or decreasing and by how much, and to help me
       | recognize the sequence of hues.
       | 
       | I'm also really curious to see what this looks like if the
       | lightness is always increasing, with a sawtooth discontinuity
       | where it wraps around after hitting 100%. Yes, this would produce
       | really hard edges in arbitrary places, but that might be worth it
       | in exchange for the hugely helpful certainty of always knowing
       | which way is up.
        
       | Freak_NL wrote:
       | Being Dutch living in one of those barely visible dark blue
       | stretches of below sea level literal low-lands makes one rather
       | aware of our precarious national position as far as rising sea
       | levels are concerned.
        
         | Gibbon1 wrote:
         | I read something that said you guys are sort of in luck as long
         | as Antarctica doesn't go. Apparently the gravitational forces
         | from ice in Greenland pull the ocean higher. So as the ice
         | melts the ocean around Greenland will fall while farther away
         | it will rise. There is a zone around Greenland where it's a
         | wash. And the Netherlands is in it.
         | 
         | The east coast of the US, Florida, and the Gulf coast are
         | totally hosed though.
        
         | TT-392 wrote:
         | We have all the knowledge, and even a special government branch
         | in place here to fight the sea, I am sure we'll be fine
        
           | TaylorAlexander wrote:
           | > a special government branch in place here to fight the sea
           | 
           | Ah that ought to do it.
        
             | eCa wrote:
             | Unless you're being facetious, you might want to read up on
             | things like the Delta Works[1], the Zuidersee Works[2] or
             | the smaller project of Maeslantkering[3].
             | 
             | If there's one country that has had long experience in
             | dealing with the threat from the oceans, it's the
             | Netherlands. And these kinds of projects don't really lend
             | themselves to organizations that require profit for their
             | investments.
             | 
             | (I'm not dutch, but I have biked across the 32 km long
             | causeway of Afsluitdijk[4] and parts of the Delta Works.)
             | 
             | [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_Works
             | 
             | [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuiderzee_Works
             | 
             | [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maeslantkering
             | 
             | [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afsluitdijk
        
             | whoisburbansky wrote:
             | I mean it's been working pretty well so far, it would seem.
        
           | TT-392 wrote:
           | Or, fine, may not be the right word, more like, a lot better
           | off than a lot of other countries.
        
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