[HN Gopher] Medieval Photoshop
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Medieval Photoshop
Author : danso
Score : 104 points
Date : 2022-02-21 16:30 UTC (6 hours ago)
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| Hokusai wrote:
| For me the first version of photo editing happened in Russia.
| Enemies of Stalin were erased from photos and from Russian
| history.
|
| Copy pasting images is kind of different. Photocopies have been
| part of the comic book trade way before using computers. I see
| these techniques closer to it.
|
| - https://www.newyorker.com/culture/photo-booth/the-photo-book...
| legrande wrote:
| How Warhol of them
| michaelbuckbee wrote:
| The last time I was at a museum I learned that some medieval
| painters would create "templates" of a sort where the majority of
| the painting would be complete except the face. They'd travel
| around and if you bought the painting they'd fill it in with your
| face. It makes a lot of sense, but was a level of automation and
| customization I hadn't considered.
| bluGill wrote:
| Not just medieval. that practice continued in the 1800s, up
| until photography. The rich would hire a painter to do
| everything, but those with less wealth - or the more frugal
| rich - would hire a painter to just do the face and hands.
| Hands are important, not just the face. Everything else about
| the body is covered by clothing (notice long sleeves - avoids
| having to paint the arms), and so can be done in a more
| convenient location. I wouldn't be surprised if the practice
| predates writing as is is really obvious and some people have
| more a talent for painting.
|
| In Iowa painters would spend all winter (when snow made it hard
| to get around) painting bodies. then in summer when getting
| around was easy they would travel around, whenever someone
| hired them for a picture they would select a pre-painted
| portrait and add the face and hands. In the Iowa governors
| mansion there is such a picture where the guides point out the
| the boy in some picture was holding a club (probably for
| croquette) in an impossible way because the club was already in
| the picture. (the picture is from the second owner of the
| mansion, long before the state bought it)
| guessbest wrote:
| All the way back to the Romans, the statues had detachable
| heads so that one ruler or governor's head could be replaced by
| the next.
| matsemann wrote:
| I don't quite understand what's being copied/reused here. Is it
| stamps being used to make copies of something?
| marcodiego wrote:
| Not directly related but... I had to service a Windows 10
| computer yesterday. It had Adobe Acrobat Reader DC installed. The
| computer was extremely slow (i3, 4 GB, non-SSD) thanks to the
| combination of system and software installed. Not that the
| software is that different from what many end-users would have:
| lenovo-problemware, norton, msoffice and a synaptics tool.
|
| Some of the processes taking memory, processor and disk were
| multiple instancies RdrCEF.exe, AcroCEF.exe and Acrobat Reader DC
| itself. And there wasn't any PDF open!
|
| Because of what Adobe turned out, and I'm not even talking about
| licenses here, it would be a favor to humanity if we try to undo
| "photoshop" as a synonym for image editing.
| legrande wrote:
| > it would be a favor to humanity if we try to undo "photoshop"
| as a synonym for image editing
|
| Well it's already common vernacular that won't go away any time
| soon. Many people including myself have old versions of PS
| installed on some dusty machine and it does its job well. It's
| now impossible to get free/cracked versions of the latest PS
| because it's all cloud based now, but there is a large cohort
| of people using older versions.
| azalemeth wrote:
| > It's now impossible to get free/cracked versions of the
| latest PS because it's all cloud based now, but there is a
| large cohort of people using older versions.
|
| That's objectively not true - I understand that there are a
| lot of cracked versions of the creative suite out there -
| perhaps a few months behind the latest release, but certainly
| not by much.
|
| As ever, this is _the_ problem that makes me _hate_ DRM:
| paying customers get a worse product. I have a legal license
| of CS6 and I am writing this comment on a Mac running 10.14
| partly as a consequence (it is the last version of the OS to
| run 32 bit apps -- of which I have a fair few). I will not
| take out a subscription to Adobe to get a newer version -- I
| just will not do it. If I pirated everything, I 'd be in a
| much "better position" in many ways.
| legrande wrote:
| > I understand that there are a lot of cracked versions of
| the creative suite out there
|
| I haven't looked, but it's my understanding that you need
| an ADOBE login that you use to interact with Creative
| Suite, so by 'cloud based' I mean the software is all
| Internet facing now. There are probably workarounds for
| that in the warez scene however.
| anarticle wrote:
| As for naming, this has happened many times, you can see
| examples like Xerox, Kleenex, etc.
|
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_trademark
|
| I noticed in the UK it is much more common. You can see it in
| terms like hoovering, sellotape, tipex, and biro.
|
| Never thought I'd see the day I post a quora but here we are!
| https://www.quora.com/Why-do-the-British-use-the-word-hoover...
| kingcharles wrote:
| What's odd is that, being a Brit in the UK I often use these
| generic trademarks out of habit. But, sometimes when I say
| Hoover here in the USA people get what I mean. So it must
| have had an effect over here, but smaller?
| jacobr1 wrote:
| Hoover was a dominant brand in the US, but never fully
| generalized. So when you say hoover, many people in the US
| (especially when used in context, like "I need to hoover
| the carpet") will probably get what you are saying. My wife
| refers to "Lysoling" the counters, which isn't standard
| usage (and we usually use generic target brands anyway) but
| plenty of people we know get what she means.
| ghaff wrote:
| Generic verb "hoover" is probably used more in the US as
| a deliberately informal/colloquial synonym to ingest or
| something like that. e.g. hoover up all your data.
| subjectsigma wrote:
| The YouTube channel Shadiversity has a series called 'Medieval
| Misconceptions' which I really enjoy:
| https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLWklwxMTl4sx73IrJ4PPUJmul...
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| The overarching theme of this series is that _medieval people
| were not dumb, they just had different cultures and less
| technology_. The more I learn about it the more I come to
| appreciate this idea.
|
| Of _course_ if drawing images was expensive and difficult,
| someone would find a way to make copies and edits of existing
| images! It 's what any of us would do.
| bombcar wrote:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_technology has a long
| list of things that we might ascribe to either the Romans or to
| the late Renaissance but are firmly in the misnamed "Dark
| ages".
| Tabular-Iceberg wrote:
| Sounds more like medieval clip-art than Photoshop.
| ben_w wrote:
| Clip-art! This explains why medieval art had weird proportions
| and perspectives everywhere, they were medieval power-point
| slides. :)
| pomian wrote:
| This is a great example of a "Hacker" News article, revealing
| true hacker tricks.
| coldpie wrote:
| A bunch more really great articles along these lines here:
| https://medievalbooks.nl/
|
| A favorite: https://medievalbooks.nl/2018/09/20/me-myself-
| and-i/
| agys wrote:
| Thank you, great page and article!
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