[HN Gopher] Google Ads suspended me and turned a deaf ear
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       Google Ads suspended me and turned a deaf ear
        
       Author : kajic
       Score  : 50 points
       Date   : 2022-03-04 21:41 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | tragictrash wrote:
       | Google is not your friend and must be treated as an adversary.
        
         | J5892 wrote:
         | This applies to literally any public corporation.
        
           | alistairSH wrote:
           | Perhaps, but in a normal business partnernship, you have
           | contracts that spell out the terms and means of recourse.
           | With Google ad services, you have vague ToS spelled out by
           | one party and no real recourse.
        
       | dsl wrote:
       | Welcome to the world of blackhat SEO. If someone starts driving
       | up the price of ads for a targeted keyword, you generate a
       | massive amount of abuse and pay people to write complaints to
       | Google.
       | 
       | From Google's perspective, they look at your account and see
       | activity that indicates you are doing terrible things.
       | 
       | Coupons are an extremely competitive and hostile market to be in.
       | Not saying what happened to OP is fair or acceptable, but things
       | aren't always as obvious looking at them from the other side.
        
         | kurthr wrote:
         | Exactly, competitors may well be the source of your problems.
         | It's cheaper (and safer) to trash your competitors than raising
         | your own rankings (with SEO).
        
       | george0812 wrote:
       | If your business relies heavily on Google to get customers
       | (Adwords) or for generating revenue (Adsense, youtube,
       | extensions, search, ...) You are doomed. Google will/has
       | terminated accounts on a whim with no recourse: one day you wake
       | up and your business is destroyed, all you have is a vague,
       | automated email and no way to contact a human being. To Google
       | you are just a number, a statistic. They absolutely don't care
       | about you or your business because they have market power.
       | 
       | This company is the worst partner you can ask for, a true
       | monopoly abusing customers and users alike.
       | 
       | STAY AWAY from Alphabet!
        
       | stevespang wrote:
        
       | dangrossman wrote:
       | This has been my experience with Google too.
       | 
       | I have a suspended Google Merchant Center account for an
       | ecommerce site. That's Google's service to list products for
       | their "shopping" search tab, which you also need to run shopping
       | ads. I sell some home decor items I hand make in my home workshop
       | with a laser cutter and paint. Nothing weird, just like "welcome
       | to our home" type signs. It's a standard Shopify-hosted store
       | with flat rate shipping, a posted shipping policy, return policy,
       | privacy policy, and contact page with a contact form, my address
       | and my phone number on it. That should check off all of Google's
       | requirements for a merchant center account. But, it was
       | immediately suspended and multiple requests to reconsider the
       | suspension just get me a form letter back saying my site violates
       | their policies. No human at Google will ever give me any specific
       | reason why.
       | 
       | Every month or so, one of my Google Ads for another site gets
       | suspended for violating the policy "Certificate required: free
       | desktop software". This policy is about ads that link to
       | downloadable .exe/.zip desktop software. My ads, which have been
       | largely running without change for 9-10 years, are for a SaaS
       | analytics service for marketers. There is no desktop software or
       | downloadable files on the website. Just your typical
       | pricing/signup/login pages like any web app. There is no rhyme or
       | reason as to what ad in my account they will suspend each month.
       | I can create the same ad again and it'll be approved since there
       | is no actual policy violation.
       | 
       | Like OP, I can easily reach a human to sell me more ads. No
       | matter how many times I click the unsubscribe links in their
       | emails or ask to opt out, they actually hound me, at every email
       | of mine they can find, and all my personal and business phone
       | numbers, to take "account review" calls where they can try to
       | talk me into spending more on Google Ads. But when it comes to
       | getting support for policy issues, nobody will talk to you.
        
       | ilamont wrote:
       | Good luck getting a straight, specific answer from anyone at
       | Google regarding supposed problems that violate one of their
       | vaguely worded policies. Some of the stuff flagged by their
       | automated systems are laughable - one that comes to mind is an ad
       | promoting genealogy research that was blocked for promoting birth
       | control.
       | 
       | Not that the other platforms are much better. A nonfiction book
       | publisher once told me her Amazon detail page on a book about
       | surviving breast cancer was rejected for promoting sexual
       | content. Besides the description containing the word "breast",
       | the word "therapist" in the description was interpreted by
       | Amazon's "AI" as being about rape.
        
         | glaucon wrote:
         | > that was blocked for promoting birth control
         | 
         | I can't let this pass without commenting on it. When did
         | promoting birth control become a problem ? Is Google run by
         | some religious cabal who believe that we shouldn't contradict
         | God's will ? I assume the intention is to keep various groups
         | in the USA happy ? Would be interested to know if you can
         | "promote birth control" outside of the USA.
        
           | dangrossman wrote:
           | > Google doesn't allow ads related to birth control or
           | fertility products in the following countries: Bahrain,
           | China, Djibouti, Egypt, Hong Kong, Iran, Iraq, Jordan,
           | Kuwait, Malaysia, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Oman, Palestinian
           | Territory, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Thailand, Tunisia,
           | Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, Yemen
           | 
           | https://support.google.com/adspolicy/answer/176031?hl=en
        
         | Induane wrote:
         | Makes me think of SNL's celebrity Jeopardy.
        
         | ajsnigrutin wrote:
         | https://i.imgflip.com/4600cy.jpg
        
       | mtgx wrote:
       | There needs to be some kind of law that mandates that a company
       | MUST reply to customers and/or users within a given time and
       | offer a proper redress process.
       | 
       | I remember years ago FB would block your site and they would give
       | you NO OPTION to contact them - like AT ALL (they used to hide
       | the support chat button, and I think they still do from some
       | people).
       | 
       | I also knew a company that got its own IG account indefinitely
       | suspended because malicious competitors accused it of cloning
       | their names, even though they were the ones doing that. There are
       | even some articles on Google about being able to pay people to do
       | this for you for like $50.
       | 
       | And they could never get that account back after months of trying
       | to talk to FB about it or send documentation to the recommended
       | appeal links (all apparently useless).
       | 
       | This is unacceptable from any company where you are a
       | customer/user, let alone multi-billion dollar companies that
       | definitely have all the money they need for proper support.
       | 
       | If your support is this poor/non-existent, you shouldn't get to
       | talk about your "record-breaking multi-billion dollar profits"
       | quarter after quarter.
       | 
       | This is something we as a society can decide upon, whether or not
       | these companies like that (of course they wouldn't).
        
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