[HN Gopher] MasterCard suspends all services in Russia
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       MasterCard suspends all services in Russia
        
       Author : bradvl
       Score  : 48 points
       Date   : 2022-03-05 22:26 UTC (33 minutes ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.mastercard.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.mastercard.com)
        
       | grandpoobah wrote:
       | Call me insane, but this feels insane. It would be one thing if
       | Visa/Mastercard were being forced to do this, but for them to
       | take it upon themselves to "pick a side" during a global conflict
       | feels really wrong.
        
       | ghiculescu wrote:
       | I'm not pro crypto or pro Russia, but the fact that it's so easy
       | to lose ones freedom to transact[0] (regardless of the specific
       | merits here) is troubling.
       | 
       | [0]
       | https://mobile.twitter.com/punk6529/status/14944446246304030...
        
       | 323 wrote:
       | Visa too:
       | 
       | > _Visa Suspends All Russia Operations_
       | 
       | https://usa.visa.com/about-visa/newsroom/press-releases.rele...
       | 
       | MasterCard/Visa cards issued in Russia will not work abroad,
       | cards issued abroad will not work in Russia.
       | 
       | > _MasterCard /Visa account for three-quarters of payments in
       | Russia_
       | 
       | https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/150023911662537932...
        
         | tananaev wrote:
         | Interesting that the title says all operations are suspended,
         | but description basically says that foreign cards won't work in
         | Russia and Russian cards work abroad, but does it mean local
         | Russian cards will still work in Russia? That's probably
         | majority of transactions anyway. A bit confused here.
        
           | hadrien01 wrote:
           | Russia has a home-grown card payment network (Mir) that
           | accounts for 25% of payments. It will probably grow because
           | of the sanctions.
        
           | 323 wrote:
           | The MastarCard statement suggests that Russian cards will not
           | work in Russia.
           | 
           | > _we have decided to suspend our network services in
           | Russia._
        
       | TarasBob wrote:
       | Good.
        
         | 3np wrote:
         | ...for bitcoin?
        
       | samwillis wrote:
       | Mirror: https://archive.ph/d5RmA
       | 
       | Key passage:
       | 
       | " With this action, cards issued by Russian banks will no longer
       | be supported by the Mastercard network. And, any Mastercard
       | issued outside of the country will not work at Russian merchants
       | or ATMs."
       | 
       | I don't believe it's clear that cards issued in Russia are not
       | still being accepted within Russia. Which is what I believe Visa
       | is still doing:
       | 
       | " all transactions initiated with Visa cards issued in Russia
       | will no longer work outside the country and any Visa cards issued
       | by financial institutions outside of Russia will no longer work
       | within the Russian Federation."
       | 
       | https://usa.visa.com/about-visa/newsroom/press-releases.rele...
       | 
       | If MasterCard is matching Visa it's effectively cross border
       | transactions that have stopped - not withdraw access to Russian
       | issued cards within Russia.
       | 
       | If they have withdrawn access to Russian cards within Russia it's
       | going to put enormous pressure on Russian citizens. Visa and
       | Mastercard apparently have 73% of the credit card market in
       | Russia. This could be the type of pressure need for citizens to
       | push back at the Russian administration (not that they aren't
       | already).
        
         | assusdan wrote:
         | In Russia, all contry-local Visa and MasterCard payments are
         | processed by country-owned NSPK system https://nspk.com
         | 
         | So all local payments will work, but no abroad payments (and no
         | foreign cards to pay locally in Russia). Probably, I will lost
         | most of my cloud data and compute resources incl. VPNs.
         | Fortunately, some providers do accept SWIFT payments.
        
         | 3np wrote:
         | So individuals who recently left Russia out of fear for the
         | regime and may be in very vulnerable positions have potentially
         | unexpectedly lost access to their funds until they can sort
         | that out...
         | 
         | Meanwhile, for The Real Russians, business as usual.
         | 
         | This looks like theatre hurting the wrong people.
        
       | savant_penguin wrote:
       | "We're undergoing site maintenance. But don't worry -- as there's
       | no impact to your ability to make Mastercard purchases or
       | payments"
       | 
       | Unless you're Russian I guess.
       | 
       | As much as I enjoy the act this could backfire as a show of the
       | tremendous power these companies have: shutting down credit card
       | payments will likely impact large portions of online payments.
       | 
       | But at the same time every extra inefficiency in the Russian
       | economy could translate into less bullets going to kill
       | Ukrainians
        
         | youngNed wrote:
         | > shutting down credit card payments will likely impact large
         | portions of online payments.
         | 
         | I can't think of a way to reply to this without being trite or
         | insulting, but genuinely, what do you think is the point of a
         | sanction?
        
       | mananaysiempre wrote:
       | As far as I can tell, this will mainly have an impact on people
       | trying to leave, because payments within the country will still
       | work (if probably badly because the substitute system is shoddy),
       | only the Russian government doesn't allow leaving with more than
       | the equivalent of 10k USD in cash (since several days ago) and
       | most other money transfer companies are refusing service as well.
       | 
       | So, previously the locals working for the companies who valiantly
       | declared their condemnation of Putin by shutting down their
       | Russian branch had three choices: work for a company that _does_
       | support Putin, leave, or starve. Now it's just work for a Putin
       | supporter or starve.
       | 
       | (Not entirely true because at least some of them put their
       | employees on paid leave for now, but that's still probably what
       | it will ultimately boil down to in the relatively near future.
       | Passenger planes being arrested in foreign airport because of
       | sudden lease termination is a similar one-two punch combo with
       | Putin's closure of the land border since 2020: it's getting very
       | hard--and expensive--to physically leave even if you don't want
       | anything to do with this shitfest and never did.)
       | 
       | Good job..?
        
       | systemvoltage wrote:
       | Do companies of this size already have the infrastructure built,
       | a kill switch of the sorts, to turn off an entire country's
       | payment system? I'm thinking not just technology wise, but also
       | things like existing subscriptions and contractual legal stuff
       | between countries, customers, etc. It seems like a monumental
       | undertaking to integrate payment systems for a new country,
       | turning it off seems even more impressive.
        
         | tmp_anon_22 wrote:
         | Sanctions aren't new, any sufficiently large international
         | company likely has dealt with this before. And it doesn't
         | happen all at once, you start by turning off new registrants,
         | then you go through records of existing entities that need to
         | be turned off and turn them off, then you continue to watch for
         | whatever you missed.
        
         | lil_dispaches wrote:
         | I don't think this is act of war protest. These corporation
         | know the inside score, they help write the narrative. I predict
         | these companies are giving up Russia for good. This is a signal
         | of a long term shift in world order and these corporate boards
         | know it, because they engineer it with policies and propaganda.
        
       | unpopularq88 wrote:
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | ls15 wrote:
         | What else are they supposed to do?
        
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