[HN Gopher] iMac G4 to M1 conversion process
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       iMac G4 to M1 conversion process
        
       Author : bitigchi
       Score  : 302 points
       Date   : 2022-03-06 09:49 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | HWR_14 wrote:
       | Random aside, does anyone know if the M1 (well, M series chips)
       | are likely to migrate to the iPhones? I'm upgrading soon, but if
       | the 14 is going to have an M-series chip, I may hold off.
        
       | marban wrote:
       | The Lamp was great but nothing can beat the Cube. Still using
       | mine with a Sonnet and SSD upgrade for plain text work.
        
       | ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
       | Extra credit:
       | 
       | Use ML (and some servos and counterweights) to make it do this:
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCrdla_BljQ
        
       | jmkni wrote:
       | I'd love to see an M1 put inside a 12" Macbook, I know it was
       | controversial but I always loved that form factor.
        
       | dwighttk wrote:
       | Oh man I'm so much lazier, I would just set the G4 on top of the
       | mini and try to figure out how to send video to the G4s screen,
       | give up, and just use a new monitor.
        
         | sgjohnson wrote:
         | The 17" 1440x900 display would be an absolute dealbreaker for
         | me personally, so I'd also have to figure a way how to fit a
         | better display in.
         | 
         | Which would probably be trickier than everything else in this
         | project, because where can you get a 17" 1440p IPS panel these
         | days?
        
           | sixothree wrote:
           | Honestly I have three of these things and they aren't great.
           | Maybe for a side or "kitchen" computer. If Mac had a decent
           | RDP protocol, that would be a great way to use them.
        
           | [deleted]
        
           | ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
           | The arm that holds up the monitor is designed for a specific
           | weight. It would be difficult to swap out the display.
        
             | tjoff wrote:
             | New LED displays are much lighter, so you probably have
             | lots of margin to just put in dead weight.
        
             | GekkePrutser wrote:
             | Most of these arms lack the strength to hold up the
             | original screen anymore. Probably due to fatigue of the
             | spring. I still have one and it's just enough to hold it up
             | but every time I hit the table it flops down :'(
        
               | classichasclass wrote:
               | Mostly an issue for the 17" and up. The 15" screens seem
               | to be okay with the arm spring.
        
               | Jolter wrote:
               | You might be able to find a metalworking shop that could
               | manufacture a new spring for you. If you're willing to
               | pay for it.
        
             | ballenf wrote:
             | And if you don't get it exactly right, the mouse ball pops
             | out, expands to a massive size and tries to flatten you.
        
           | jandrese wrote:
           | Some of them came with 1680x1050 displays which are still
           | respectable.
        
           | titzer wrote:
           | It's not so bad. Especially if you spend most of your time in
           | a terminal, as I often do. It's somewhat nostalgic, even. Ah,
           | my first display, a 80x25 text mode DOS 5.0 terminal on a
           | CRT... _sigh_
        
             | jrockway wrote:
             | I might be misremembering, but I feel like when LCDs became
             | mainstream, they were ostensibly worse in resolution than
             | CRTs. CRTs were commonly at 1024x768 for a while, but I
             | remember running specially-selected ones at 1600x1200 or
             | even higher (1860xsomething?). LCDs replaced my nice high
             | res CRTs with 1024x768, and then I waited a decade for
             | 3840x2160, which was definitely a step up.
             | 
             | I remember being ridiculously excited by my circa-2004 24"
             | LCD. How could a screen be that big? 1920x1200 pixels? How
             | can there be so many!? And now that is like a tiny garbage
             | dumb LCD that you find in the storage closet and decide
             | isn't worth the desk space.
             | 
             | (My favorite thing is the HDTV craze. You can still buy
             | laptops with a 720p display these days, because "HD" is
             | supposed to be a positive marketing term! But it's really
             | 1995-era resolutions at 2022 prices!)
        
             | eddieroger wrote:
             | That does sound delightfully nostalgic. Sometimes when I
             | use my iPad for SSH'ing in to things, I get that same
             | sense. I don't need a dedicated SSH box that badly, and I
             | wouldn't gut an iMac for the privilege when it can run SSH
             | natively, but that would be a fun box to have.
        
           | opencl wrote:
           | It's not hard to find 4K 17" panels as spare parts for
           | laptops, but they're generally 16:9 rather than 16:10.
        
             | rzzzt wrote:
             | Add letterbox bars to the front glass then, job done.
        
               | hultner wrote:
               | Inch is diagonal so a 17" 16:9 would be to wide.
               | 
               | Unless I'm thinking wrong we'd need something at
               | (sqrt(17)*(16^2+9^2)/(16^2+10^2))^2, which should put us
               | at 15.23", I know 15,4" exists so that might be doable
               | depending on how much room there is to spare, 5mm is a
               | bit but it could maybe work.
        
             | ycui1986 wrote:
             | Lenovo is releasing 16:10 screen for their next generation
             | laptops lines. So it is a matter of time till replacement
             | screens for those to come up on ebay. I guess?
        
       | betamaxthetape wrote:
       | Am I the only one sad to see the original machine gutted out? I
       | get that these machines aren't particularly useful (I have one
       | myself) but it really does seem a shame for it to be modified in
       | this way.
        
         | rvense wrote:
         | These aren't exactly rare. I can accept this sort of stuff when
         | it's done well. They should pass that MB on as a working spare,
         | though.
        
         | dkonofalski wrote:
         | You might be... I loved the old machines but making the shell
         | usable again is even cooler to me. I'd love to see them update
         | the display to something more modern and then it would be
         | perfect.
        
         | classichasclass wrote:
         | No, you're not the only one. If it were busted, I could see it
         | as a way of giving an old design new life, but this one
         | appeared to be mostly operational. I have a 15" 1.25GHz iMac
         | with a working arm in beautiful condition and it's going to
         | stay stock. It suffices for viewing the security cameras,
         | playing CDs and DVDs, the occasional Classic app and basic
         | browsing tasks.
        
         | titzer wrote:
         | As long as there are enough of them preserved as-is, it doesn't
         | bother me. Maybe the author has 2 (or more). In which case,
         | right on.
        
       | stevedekorte wrote:
       | Cool project. Would love to see this done for NeXTcube or
       | NeXTstation with their original keyboard and mouse.
        
         | user22 wrote:
         | You would have to add in the "clunk" the optical drive made.
        
       | muro wrote:
       | This is so cool! I wanted to do something similar with the G4
       | cube, but the Mac mini is slightly too big. Hope the next version
       | is smaller.
        
         | gnicholas wrote:
         | I was surprised Apple didn't sell a 20th Anniversary Cube. It
         | would have closed the loop on what the Cube started. Maybe
         | they'll do it on the 25th anniversary, in a couple years?
        
         | MBCook wrote:
         | The guts of the M1 mini are significantly smaller than the
         | case. There was a video where someone made a smaller case
         | recently that shows just how much you can shrink it.
         | 
         | https://youtu.be/pQWGFKhBQwU
        
           | muro wrote:
           | Thank you! Will give it a try then!
        
           | wiredfool wrote:
           | I mean, it's basically a phone minus some of the cell chips
           | and the display.
        
             | steveylang wrote:
             | Maybe they can do a handheld Mac Micro or Mac Nano.
        
       | imwillofficial wrote:
       | I wish I could pay people to do this insane work for me. I'd
       | never have the patience to do all this, but I'd love to have a
       | build like this.
        
         | kipchak wrote:
         | I'm not sure if they're still active, but there's been a couple
         | group doing something similar for thinkpads (lcdfans/cnmod,
         | xueyao) retrofitting new Motherboards and other components into
         | older chassis. You could maybe try a group like that as a one
         | off.
         | 
         | https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/jrj949/x2100_from...
        
       | samwillis wrote:
       | I love this! The G4 Mac is by far my favourite Apple design ever,
       | its such a shame it was such as short lived design aesthetic.
       | 
       | My wish is that as Apple seems to be moving its iMac (and soon
       | MacBook I believe) range back towards a more "fun" look
       | reminiscent of the original iMac period they could resurrect this
       | design.
       | 
       | I would love a touch screen iMac or Apple Monitor that used this
       | design, its perfect for folding forward into a position for touch
       | interaction and sketching.
        
         | giobox wrote:
         | This era of design where there was still some "whimsy" is some
         | of my favorite Apple work too. The austere modern era where
         | _everything_ is a slab of glass fronted metal has lost so much
         | of the joy that was found in their earlier computers.
         | 
         | If you want a touch screen computer that used this design
         | optimized for sketching, Microsoft took it to the logical
         | conclusion with the Surface Studio:
         | 
         | https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/d/surface-studio-2/8sbjxm0m5...
         | 
         | This is much better for sketching, as can reach a much flatter
         | angle than the G4 iMac ever could. It also holds its angle
         | quite a bit more securely (I've used both). While I'm not a
         | massive Windows user, the physical aspects of the Surface
         | Studio are pretty nice and much more interesting to me than the
         | latest iMacs.
        
           | cbm-vic-20 wrote:
           | That Surface Studio almost mimics an old-school drafting
           | table.
        
           | samwillis wrote:
           | > The austere modern era where everything is a slab of glass
           | fronted metal has lost so much of the joy that was found in
           | their earlier computers.
           | 
           | In many ways I think it's a pity that Apple decided to bring
           | its "Pro" aesthetic to the standard/consumer range, there has
           | been so little to diffiraciate the two ranges. Having the two
           | distinct ranges was more fun.
           | 
           | With what they have done with the M1 iMacs and the rumours of
           | a rebooted MacBook (Air?) using the aesthetic of that
           | iteration (colourful aluminium enclosures and white bezels)
           | they seem to have decided to do just that and separate the
           | ranges visually - just as they have done with the iPhone
           | ranges now. For the first time in years last years Mac
           | product announcements have actually interested me, looking
           | forward to see what they are showing tomorrow.
           | 
           | > This is much better for sketching, as can reach a much
           | flatter angle than the G4 iMac ever could.
           | 
           | Quite right, the ergonomics of the exact G4 aren't quite
           | right for what I'm describing, however they could serve as
           | the design inspiration for something amazing.
           | 
           | (I'm also now on eBay looking for G4s...)
        
             | agumonkey wrote:
             | It seems the computing field had exhausted the usual
             | marketing venues so resorted into maxing out the
             | pro/scientific angle (you almost get a free biology/optics
             | class on an iphone keynote chapter about lenses).
             | 
             | Maybe the chill aspect is due for a comeback now.
        
             | alsetmusic wrote:
             | > In many ways I think it's a pity that Apple decided to
             | bring its "Pro" aesthetic to the standard/consumer range,
             | there has been so little to diffiraciate the two ranges.
             | 
             | I think the idea behind this to make their computers as
             | recyclable as possible. It was mentioned at least once in a
             | product intro when discussing the machining process.
             | 
             | I also miss fun designs, but I think the choice to reduce
             | plastic use is the "right" one.
        
           | irae wrote:
           | I would not blame design for the "slab of glass" state of
           | computers/phones.
           | 
           | There two factors I see we endup with the current designs
           | that are not related to desing at all: * Miniaturization and
           | portability: Today, probably two thirds of the components
           | needed for a computer fit into the M1 die. * Ergonomics:
           | Because we are still humans, we need screens and input
           | devices (touch or keyboard/mouse) that are bigger than the
           | computer itself
           | 
           | Designers work around humans and technology to make the
           | products joyful and compeling. I believe they did a good job,
           | in general, given what computers became engineering-wise.
        
       | nicoburns wrote:
       | It really is remarkable how small the logic board on those new M1
       | minis is. It'll be interesting to see what the rumoured new
       | smaller mac mini looks like.
        
       | jarrenae wrote:
       | I'd love to see this brought into a cafe. I wonder how long an M1
       | Mac Mini runs on a 10000mah battery?
        
       | lostgame wrote:
       | Amaaaazing. The iMac G4 is the single most aesthetically
       | beautiful computer, ever.
       | 
       | I've still got a functional maxed-out one in the corner of my
       | living room/studio. If the internals ever break, I'm doing this
       | kind of mod in half a second.
        
         | yboris wrote:
         | I'd say the new iMac is better: https://www.apple.com/imac/
         | 
         | Doesn't have a CD drive, but at least for me, I've not used one
         | in a decade.
        
           | lostgame wrote:
           | You mean...that the new iMac is more aesthetically
           | interesting / pleasing than the G4?
           | 
           | Jesus, I guess tastes vary _hugely_. The new iMac is the same
           | bloody design it 's been since the iMac G5, basically...not
           | sure how it's 'impressive'? It's got colours? Other than
           | that... o.o
           | 
           | The iMac G4 is a feat of design engineering and still an
           | astonishingly beautiful sight that somehow manages to look
           | insanely futuristic nearly 20 years after its initial
           | release.
        
             | tomc1985 wrote:
             | Feat of engineering, sure. But the look is "mid oughties
             | white plastic" which is about as dated and vintage as the
             | off-white 80s plastic enclosure of the Apple IIe was at
             | that time
             | 
             | And oh god were the laptops ugly. They looked like a seat
             | cushion!
        
               | lostgame wrote:
               | You're talking about the G3 iBooks, not the G4 ones, just
               | FYI.
        
             | muro wrote:
             | +1, and it wasn't just for show, the arm was more ergonomic
             | than all iMacs since.
        
         | Teknoman117 wrote:
         | My personal favorite Mac (aesthetically) is the Quicksilver G4
         | PowerMac. The Blue G3 PowerMac is a close second because I'm a
         | sucker for anything in blue.
        
           | dddddaviddddd wrote:
           | I really enjoyed having the blue G3, but it's such a large
           | machine compared to what I would keep on my desk today.
        
             | drewzero1 wrote:
             | Action Retro on YT made a video about a Pi case that was
             | based on the blue&white G3 tower:
             | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLh7c6KQAT4
        
           | fredoralive wrote:
           | I have to go Blue G3 (I even have one), the fact for the G4
           | they went grey and got rid of the huge lettering underneath
           | the side plastic was a real disappointment. I guess it was
           | too fun for a "professional" system...
        
       | kilroy123 wrote:
       | I want one. So much more fun than the mini in the box form
       | factor.
        
       | sircastor wrote:
       | I love this. I put an Intel Atom mini-ITX board in an old G4 cube
       | about 13 years ago. For a time it gave my wife a modern-ish
       | machine (though a Hackintosh) with a style that was relatively
       | unique.
       | 
       | It sadly lives in our garage right now as we don't really need
       | it. Occasionally I think about dusting it off and replacing the
       | internals with a Mac Mini, just for fun.
        
         | iszomer wrote:
         | Mini-ITX modding culture came a long way. Last I saw was
         | someone revamping a Hot Wheels PC from the 90's with modern
         | parts [2].
         | 
         | [1] https://www.mini-itx.com/news/archive.asp
         | 
         | [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLGfeiMdi1Q
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | dhosek wrote:
       | I remember how damned amazing the display on the iLamp was. At
       | the time, if you weren't directly in front of an LCD display,
       | everything got dim and you could practically read the G4 display
       | from the side. Kids today don't have any idea how bad those early
       | generation LCD displays.
        
       | acdha wrote:
       | The lamp iMac design was really so nice compared to any iMac made
       | before or after since it made adjusting the screen so easy. This
       | really highlights a problem with the iMacs, however: they use
       | gorgeous screens but the displays have a useful life 5-10 years
       | longer than the CPU. I really wish there was something like an
       | e-waste law to encourage manufacturers to either make them
       | upgradeable or recyclable.
        
       | asciimov wrote:
       | Reminds me that Apple once had fresh designs.
       | 
       | I wish Apple would get brave and push out a radical new design.
        
         | longtimelistnr wrote:
         | From a design perspective, modern hardware leaves little room
         | for imagination without excess/useless material. reducing
         | components to a fraction of their size is the radical design
         | which is leveraged to make a product as frictionless as
         | possible on the consumer side
        
           | rvense wrote:
           | You say frictionless, I say dull as all fork.
        
           | gurkendoktor wrote:
           | Little room for imagination? The iMacs that came after the G4
           | are not even height adjustable.
           | 
           | They also didn't just cut down on useless material. Power
           | supplies are still large, but Apple has moved them _out_ of
           | the iMac in 2020.
           | 
           | The recent iMac redesign also makes it extremely awkward to
           | connect external speakers using a cable, but the built-in
           | speakers have received mixed reviews. Even that seems like a
           | step back from the iMac G4.
        
             | nebula8804 wrote:
             | Regarding the power supply I suspect that right now we are
             | in transition just like when Apple was late on updating
             | updating the design of the late intel notebooks. It seems
             | like they know M1 was on the way and focused their efforts
             | on that knowing that Intel was going away. If Intel was not
             | going away my guess is that they would have resolved the
             | later thermal/design issues of the laptops sooner.
             | 
             | Same goes for this power supply. We are probably moving
             | towards even lower power consumer chips and while the
             | current power supply is pretty small, just imagine a more
             | power efficient base line M2/M3 chip + GaN based power
             | supply. Maybe they could power the machine with a tiny cube
             | shaped PSU or just have a usb-c connector coming out of the
             | back.
        
       | caycep wrote:
       | This reminds me of the Cube Hackintosh conversions....I just wish
       | that design worked out better in the court of public (consumer)
       | opinion....
        
         | linguae wrote:
         | I feel the same way about the 2013 Mac Pro, which I purchased
         | refurbished in early 2017 and used as my daily driver until
         | January when I switched to a Ryzen 3900X build. The 2013 Mac
         | Pro has a wonderful design, but it's a shame Apple never
         | upgraded it, though it would be sweet if Apple brought back
         | this form factor since Apple's ARM chips solved the thermal
         | challenges that made it difficult for Apple to upgrade the
         | cylindrical Mac Pro.
        
           | jmmv wrote:
           | Hah. I thought I was the only silly person in 2017 purchasing
           | an overpriced and not-so-powerful-at-the-time machine :) I
           | got mine from eBay and it is still my daily driver!
           | 
           | Mind you, just wrote this about a week ago on how I keep it
           | current: https://jmmv.dev/2022/03/windows-10-mac-
           | pro-2013.html
        
           | mattkevan wrote:
           | Wonder if it was the Pro or lessons learned from it that
           | instigated building their own Mac chips.
           | 
           | "Intel can't or won't make the chips we need to make the
           | designs we want, so we're going to have to do it ourselves."
        
       | srvmshr wrote:
       | A bit off topic but the PowerMac translucent towers were
       | beautiful. I wish apple brought those back albeit in a smaller
       | form factor. It wouldn't hurt to see the Mac Pro in such a
       | casing.
        
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