[HN Gopher] www.userfriendly.org seems to be gone, RIP Erwin, Du...
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       www.userfriendly.org seems to be gone, RIP Erwin, Dust Puppy and Co
       :(
        
       Author : hougaard
       Score  : 125 points
       Date   : 2022-03-07 18:13 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.userfriendly.org)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.userfriendly.org)
        
       | crb3 wrote:
       | Haven't seen it in years, but I still remember naming the cat:
       | "Script or Five? Which hurts less?"
        
       | ssl232 wrote:
       | Can someone explain the significance of this to HN noobs
       | (apparently I'm one)?
        
         | faeyanpiraat wrote:
         | .
        
           | techsupporter wrote:
           | I think you mean UF---
           | 
           | (Does anyone remember Geek Code? Does anyone else still have
           | their Geek Code .sig file?)
        
             | Sohcahtoa82 wrote:
             | I've got some old e-mails in my Yahoo mailbox with Geek
             | Code in it.
        
             | menjaprunes wrote:
             | -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GCS d--- s-:-
             | a-- C+++ UL++++$ P+> L+++$ !E W+ !N-- o? K- w--- O!? M--
             | V-- PS+++ PE-- Y+ PGP+ t- X+ R+ tv+ b++ DI D+ G e h! r++ y?
             | ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------
        
         | jfim wrote:
         | It was a webcomic that was popular when slashdot and kuro5hin
         | were more popular. You can read more about it on wikipedia:
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_Friendly
        
           | deltarholamda wrote:
           | I just wandered over to Slashdot earlier today. It's sad to
           | see what it has become. It's also sad to see UF burn out as
           | well.
           | 
           | I miss Ye Olde Internets.
        
             | folkrav wrote:
             | I've never really frequented Slashdot, I've taken a short
             | look at it right now. What's going on with it that's so sad
             | to look at? I feel like I'm missing context...
        
               | kstrauser wrote:
               | Among other things, almost all stories used to have at
               | least a couple hundred comments. Today there are stories
               | on the front page with less than 10.
               | 
               | The last nail in the coffin for me was their utter
               | refusal to remove absolutely abhorrent comments. Not
               | stuff like "I voted for someone different than you did",
               | but bullshit like https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?si
               | d=11756830&cid=561389... (CW: extreme antisemitism). I
               | spent a lot of time on Slashdot over the years, and had a
               | 4-digit UID that I'd bust on the inevitable "who's been
               | here longer?" comment chains. But while they have the
               | right to allow the comments section to fill with horrid
               | stuff, I don't want anything to do with that.
        
               | oliyoung wrote:
               | > at least a couple hundred comments.
               | 
               | for context, that's when a "a couple hundred comments"
               | was as big as "a couple of thousand/tens of thousands" of
               | comments is now.
               | 
               | Slashdot was the centre of the (tech) internet for a long
               | time.
        
               | kstrauser wrote:
               | Definitely. Given how much smaller the Internet was at
               | the time, a lot of the people actually making the
               | Internet -- Linux developers, webmasters, hardware
               | designers, network protocol authors, etc. -- were packed
               | into that one amazing forum and debating what to do next.
               | It was amazing in its heyday.
        
               | eadmund wrote:
               | That filth you linked to is scored 0, which I think means
               | it is not visible by default. I think it is preferable to
               | leave stuff like that available-but-hidden rather than to
               | delete it altogether. Free speech is a virtue.
        
               | morelisp wrote:
               | Sustained shortage of ASCII Penis Birds over the past
               | decade.
        
         | laumars wrote:
         | It was a series of comics aimed at people who work in IT. You
         | might have come across some of their sketches without realising
         | it.
         | 
         | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_Friendly
        
         | MandieD wrote:
         | It was often hilarious if you happened to work at a local ISP
         | in the era the comic was started (late 90s), back when
         | $20-30/mo for dialup was a good deal, and customers could drop
         | their computers off to have their modems and Netscape installed
         | and Windows configured to dial in. Or for $40 extra, have some
         | high school kid working there drop by :)
        
           | ianai wrote:
           | I was one of those HS kids!
        
           | rob74 wrote:
           | Let's just say it was hilarious if you had anything to do
           | with computers - I could totally relate to the story of an
           | intelligent being emerging from the "primordial soup" of dust
           | collected over the years in an old PC. Or that running gag
           | about the guy who always managed to kill himself by falling
           | into lava in any multiplayer FPS game (even those that didn't
           | have lava).
        
         | vikingerik wrote:
         | User Friendly was the first big web-comic, the first to
         | establish the idea of a web-comic as a primary medium, as
         | opposed to being adapted from another source (newspapers) or
         | intellectual property. It started in 1997 which was really
         | early in Internet time, around the peak of the dial-up era (and
         | the setting is a workplace of a dial-up ISP.) It may not have
         | quite been the _first_ web-comic, but it was the one that first
         | reached a critical mass of general notability in geek culture.
        
       | pavlov wrote:
       | Wow, one of the originals from the Precambrian era of the web.
       | 
       | I have a vague recollection that User Friendly started publishing
       | on an OS/2 Warp fan site sometime around 1995-96.
       | 
       | (Edit: on quick googling, I'm probably wrong and confusing it
       | with something else from that era.)
        
         | MaxBarraclough wrote:
         | At least the original Space Jam website lives on, although I
         | see they relocated it with the release of the sequel last year.
         | 
         | https://www.spacejam.com/1996/
        
           | pavlov wrote:
           | While looking for the OS/2 site that would have hosted User
           | Friendly, I found OS/2 e-Zine! whose first issue is still
           | online, with the exact same HTML as in 1995:
           | 
           | http://www.os2ezine.com/v1n1/                 <FONT SIZE=+3>
        
         | xtracto wrote:
         | Part of the good old web for me: userfriendly, slashdot,
         | zophar's domain, crackstore, fosi.da.ru, fravia, gamasutra...
         | among several others. Those were amazing times.
        
       | wolpoli wrote:
       | There's something special about the picture of a pencil serving
       | as the navigation bar for the comic.
        
       | squarefoot wrote:
       | I loved that webcomic back then, also have one of his books. Sad
       | to see it go away, although there have been no new submission for
       | some time. Some cartoons were quite hilarious; I had this one on
       | the wall above my desk.
       | https://teddit.net/pics/w:720_5tenj3387my51.png
        
       | an_mp_speaks wrote:
       | This gives me a chance to ask about a different webcomic that I
       | read in the early 2000s, but have totally forgotten. It also took
       | place at a small development company or ISP. There was a dog who
       | was a system administrator, and he might have been in love with a
       | cat? All the characters were animals, I think, and there were the
       | usual 90s-early 00s Linux/Microsoft jokes.
        
         | yayachiken wrote:
         | Hackles?
         | 
         | http://www.hackles.org/
        
           | an_mp_speaks wrote:
           | That's the one!
        
             | yayachiken wrote:
             | By the way, if you liked the old-school "ISP shenenigans
             | and Unix jokes" web-comic genre, make sure to check out
             | https://www.gpf-comics.com/
             | 
             | It's still going, IMO still not stale (without going into
             | spoilers: the setting really helps), even though it is also
             | scheduled to wind down (tying up all loose threads) in the
             | next 1-2 years.
             | 
             | As a teen I read web-comics like GPF, Userfriendly, Sluggy
             | Freelance religiously, which really helped my English and
             | my nerd career. Finding out about all those big web comics
             | dying is the first time that I genuinely feel in my core
             | that I am getting older... :(
        
               | hkt wrote:
               | I feel older for the same reason - it sucks watching the
               | internet of my youth slip away.
        
           | kawsper wrote:
           | I used to read that when I was a child, I am glad it is still
           | online. I am also happy that they managed to finish the story
           | :)
        
         | fluidcruft wrote:
         | Oh... I remember that. What the heck was that...
        
         | duskwuff wrote:
         | Could you be thinking of _Kevin and Kell_
         | (https://www.kevinandkell.com/)? The species don't quite match
         | up, but the general description and the time period do. (And
         | it's still running daily strips, making it the longest-running
         | web comic!)
        
           | an_mp_speaks wrote:
           | That's not it, as far as I can tell. The art in the comic I'm
           | thinking of had something of an MS-Paint quality, and wasn't
           | nearly as developed. But thanks for the guess! I've never
           | heard of this one before.
        
       | oh_sigh wrote:
       | Why now? I think there hasn't been any fresh non-forum content on
       | the site for at least 12 years. Just didn't feel like paying
       | hosting costs, or something else?
        
         | techsupporter wrote:
         | According to this subthread, it's that the code is positively
         | ancient:
         | https://web.archive.org/web/20220225082909/http://ars.userfr...
         | 
         | "Like for the past 17+ years...
         | 
         | ... I own the ISP hosting UF.
         | 
         | The biggest problem is supporting the legacy mod_perl stuff
         | that the site is built on... you'd basically have to re-write
         | the entire front end, or find a very bored perl monk to update
         | the code base.
         | 
         | Basically to keep the ARS active, you'd need someone to take
         | over the operations of the server & code. Maintaining it is a
         | big deal.
         | 
         | Cost-wise, I could bring it down quite a bit if it was moved
         | into a VPS (which we also offer), but again - it's a
         | maintenance/care & feeding issue. This site is still running on
         | Apache 1.3 here.
         | 
         | Someone would need to volunteer some senior technical skill for
         | several weeks, and start... pretty much now."
        
         | [deleted]
        
       | dredmorbius wrote:
       | There were a number of early webcomics, with UF being among the
       | more prominant.
       | 
       | Others I recall:
       | 
       | - "Cafe Hugo", I believe. Tagline included "vague enneui",
       | possibly also "coffee, puns, ..." or something like that. Mostly
       | college students / recent graduates and their life at a cafe. All
       | traces seem lost.
       | 
       | - "Westward Ho!" was a _very_ short-lived, and I think
       | intentionally limited, comic about a young woman engaged in
       | finding mutually-beneficial relationship and /or fighting for
       | justice on the fronteir. Well executed and largely in good taste
       | given the premise.
       | 
       | - "Help Desk", featuring Ubersoft (guilty of Unholy Business
       | Practices). A mention here:
       | https://comics.fandom.com/wiki/Help_Desk And apparently still
       | online:
       | https://www.eviscerati.org/comics/hd/2022/02/unprofessional-...
       | 
       | - Avalon High -- a very soap-opera-ish comic about students at a
       | Candian high school. Archive:
       | https://web.archive.org/web/20110707193859/http://www.avalon...
        
       | Flocular wrote:
       | Got announced 2 weeks ago
       | https://web.archive.org/web/20220225082910/http://ars.userfr...
        
       | shever73 wrote:
       | Pity. I used to read it regularly when I was starting in web dev
       | in the late 90s and it was genius (even with the Metafilter
       | thing).
       | 
       | I browsed the archive last year during the Christmas break for a
       | nostalgia trip!
        
       | phamilton wrote:
       | One of my first bits of code I shared online was a scraper for
       | userfriendly.org that would download every comic since the
       | beginning of time.
       | 
       | It was incredibly bad and inefficient (I didn't sleep between
       | calls and just brute forced the image name which led to 90%
       | 404s). Within a few days, UF announced that anyone doing wget
       | scraping would get IP banned.
       | 
       | I was just a kid, but it was so jarring to see something I did
       | cause problems. I learned a ton about being a good netizen.
       | Thanks UF and sorry for the trouble!
        
       | tiernano wrote:
       | I must have re-read this site multiple times over... still go
       | back every now and again... looks like it is archived though.
       | First post:
       | https://web.archive.org/web/20220225094808/http://ars.userfr...
        
       | mattl wrote:
       | https://web.archive.org/web/20220225062754/http://ars.userfr...
        
         | tpmx wrote:
         | Announced the day of the Ukraine invasion...
        
           | mattl wrote:
           | Was the writer based in Ukraine?
        
             | danudey wrote:
             | Canada (and, since 2014, Vancouver specifically).
        
       | xtracto wrote:
       | Is there archive of the comics themselves? I remember them
       | fondly.
        
         | MandieD wrote:
         | The Wayback Machine has got your back:
         | https://web.archive.org/web/20220225092808/http://www.userfr...
        
       | donatj wrote:
       | I heard this was coming a couple weeks ago. I don't know why
       | you'd shut the entire website down, rather than just put it into
       | hibernation?
       | 
       | I mean I don't know what is hosting situation is, but I can't
       | imagine there's a ton of traffic on a comic that hasn't had a new
       | post in years. Seems like it would be worth keeping it up just
       | for old time sake.
       | 
       | It would be reasonable enough to host the entire thing for
       | probably a couple bucks a year on s3.
        
         | matt_heimer wrote:
         | Seems like it was a legacy mod_perl code base that was
         | difficult to maintain.
         | https://web.archive.org/web/20220225082909/http://ars.userfr...
        
         | mauvehaus wrote:
         | Because he's been posting reruns for approximately ever in
         | internet time and the community has been the soul of the site
         | for even longer. To be frank, it wasn't a webcomic you stuck
         | with for either the art or the humor. Every now and then, there
         | was a funny strip or storyline, but it's not something that
         | needs to be endlessly rehashed.
         | 
         | It seems the community has moved to another forum, so there's
         | no real reason to keep posting reruns on some more-or-less
         | static hibernation mode site.
         | 
         | I hung out there sporadically for a few years and moved on. It
         | was a small-ish community that was by and large friendly and
         | supportive (I mean, like almost 20 years ago, can't speak for
         | what it's like today). At that time, the regulars knew each
         | other, at least digitally, and sometimes IRL.
         | 
         | People may have come for the comic, but those that stayed
         | stayed for the forum.
        
       | macintux wrote:
       | Anyone know when the last new comic was posted?
        
         | olliej wrote:
         | Per @oh_sigh it sounds like 12 years ago?
        
       | 1970-01-01 wrote:
       | HEADS UP: We're Going Dark by Illiad 2022-02-24 11:04:32
       | 
       | Hello all, long time. We'll be shutting down the website in the
       | coming days. It may be at the end of this month. If not, it won't
       | be much later than that.
       | 
       | Many UF community members have moved over to Hedgehog, which is
       | run by Klaranth. You can find the site here.
       | 
       | All the best,
       | 
       | Illiad
       | 
       | https://web.archive.org/web/20220225062754/http://ars.userfr...
        
       | tpoacher wrote:
       | I posted some random comment there a couple of weeks ago. And
       | then I went back to see if anyone replied and the site was down
       | :/
        
       | MandieD wrote:
       | A webcomic that started back when mid-sized US/Canadian towns
       | really did have one-stop ISPs that employed both experienced
       | sysadmins, the new web designers doing sites for local
       | businesses, and students just getting started in IT - and were
       | places where all of the above could actually advance or at least
       | enjoy their careers, not just languish as call center drones.
       | 
       | I was lucky enough to spend a couple of summers in high school
       | then after my freshman year of college working at a similar
       | outfit in my hometown. It had about 1500 subscribers paying about
       | $20-30/mo for dialup around 1997-99.
       | 
       | Anyway, that's where I was introduced to User Friendly, and we'd
       | laugh together over the funnier ones.
       | 
       | Go to "Storylines" to find the ones you remember:
       | https://web.archive.org/web/20220225091648/http://www.userfr...
        
         | kstrauser wrote:
         | I could've written every word of this. That launched a pretty
         | fun career for me.
        
       | jmclnx wrote:
       | Sad to see it go, I would read it daily even the repeats.
       | 
       | I did buy one of the books years ago. Maybe other books were
       | release since :) Will have to look
        
       | RF_Savage wrote:
       | Sad day. One of the first webcomics I just binged in a few days.
        
       | zeruch wrote:
       | I recall meeting Illiad and his coterie at one of the LinuxWorlds
       | early on. A pretty affable lot they all were, and funny as hell.
        
       | techsupporter wrote:
       | I still have my "lifetime" User Friendly membership card signed
       | by Illiad and "Evil Geniuses in a Nutshell, a User Friendly Guide
       | to World Domination" from O'Reilly. I wish I had found a copy of
       | the first UF compilation book, and that my copy of "Ten Years of
       | UserFriendly.org" hadn't been destroyed in a move.
       | 
       | For those of us who have been doing this for a very long time,
       | User Friendly was the salve to the dry business side of Dilbert.
       | Think the xkcd tech support cheat sheet (https://xkcd.com/627/)
       | but with far more snark and characters.
        
         | laumars wrote:
         | Dilbert was a lot more generic too. I think most companies
         | reflected Dilbert in one way or another. But User Friendly was
         | a lot more specialised.
         | 
         | At least that's how I remembered them.
        
           | techsupporter wrote:
           | Agreed. Dilbert was for if you worked in an office building
           | doing pretty much anything. User Friendly was for a very
           | specific niche of people who either worked at mid-sized ISPs
           | (like MandieD wrote:
           | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30593421) or who
           | supporter or empathized with people who worked at mid-sized
           | ISPs.
           | 
           | "Thank you for calling Columbia Internet, this is Miranda."
        
       | ChrisMarshallNY wrote:
       | It used to be a daily visit, for me.
       | 
       | RIP, lil' Crud Puppy, and Great Old Ones...
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | zem wrote:
       | oh no :( i used to go back and read it every now and then. RIP.
        
       | pjmlp wrote:
       | Oh! During the .com wave they were part of my daily news round
       | before getting into the office.
        
       | teddyh wrote:
       | I posted a link to there just four months ago1:
       | https://web.archive.org/web/20220226164056/http://ars.userfr...
       | 
       | 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29095031
        
       | bbatchelder wrote:
       | Sad. Made me think of other sites I'd visit for similar content.
       | 
       | The Bastard Operator from Hell (BOFH) is actually still around
       | and new content being written.
       | 
       | https://www.theregister.com/offbeat/bofh/
        
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