[HN Gopher] New iPhone SE
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       New iPhone SE
        
       Author : 0xedb
       Score  : 158 points
       Date   : 2022-03-08 18:21 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
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       | politelemon wrote:
       | Could the mods please consider grouping up all these announcement
       | threads? We really don't need separate ones for every individual
       | thing. Looking at the guidelines as well, these are more
       | promotional and marketing in nature than something that
       | "gratifies one's intellectual curiosity."
        
         | htk wrote:
         | I'm fine with different threads for different products. Each
         | product merits its own discussion.
        
       | simpss wrote:
       | if anyone knows good android alternatives for a smaller
       | smartphone (something like sony xperia compact series) I'd love
       | to hear about it.
       | 
       | Currently, it seems like the iphone SE is alone in the segment?
        
         | hammock wrote:
         | iPhone 13 Mini is even smaller than this (and lighter). And
         | with a larger screen due to slimmer bezels.
        
           | simpss wrote:
           | According to this[0] iphone 13 mini is 5.4" and according to
           | the OP new SE is 4.7"
           | 
           | 0 - https://www.apple.com/iphone-13/
        
             | hammock wrote:
             | Yes screen size. Look at the physical dimensions. https://w
             | ww.apple.com/iphone/compare/?modelList=iphone13mini...
        
             | bena wrote:
             | That's the screen size.
             | 
             | The 13 mini as a whole is smaller than the SE because the
             | SE has a top and bottom that's not screen.
        
         | aidenn0 wrote:
         | I'm typing this from a Unihertz Jelly 2. It's small enough that
         | people make jokes about it when I pull it out.
         | 
         | It cost $200 with 128GB of ram and a case included.
         | 
         | Battery life gets me through the day, and no more, but it
         | charges fast.
         | 
         | I thought the keyboard would be bad, but it's quite usable
         | after you get used to it. I'm probably 90% as fast as on a full
         | sized phone.
         | 
         | The camera, on the other hand is just bad. Like $200 Android
         | phone from 2016 bad.
        
           | aidenn0 wrote:
           | I was adding info on how app use in it is when the edit-
           | window closed...
           | 
           | Most apps are actually fine, if a bit cramped. The exception
           | is dialogs. I usually have to scroll to see all options. You
           | get used to it, but it isn't great.
           | 
           | Webpages are alright, but I do occasionally need to hide the
           | keyboard while filling out forms to see feedback provided
           | below the input (e.g. username already taken, passwords don't
           | match, invalid CC #).
           | 
           | I've never really gamed on my phones, so can't speak there.
           | 
           | The one thing I did with a larger phone that I don't do on my
           | Jelly2 is read things like textbooks and comics where images
           | and text need to be laid out like print. It's too small to
           | fit a whole page of legible text and images at once. 720
           | horizontal pixels and a 5" screen is the minimum there IMO,
           | though really this is what e-ink tablets were made for.
        
           | nerdponx wrote:
           | Does it run a non-Google/free OS? My primary qualm about
           | switching to a budget Android phone from an iPhone is the
           | security and privacy aspect, which seems _okay_ under Apple
           | but atrocious under Google /Android.
        
             | aidenn0 wrote:
             | I'm not aware of one. The bootloader is unlockable from ADB
             | and there's a TWRP image for it though.
        
         | foresto wrote:
         | I think the Samsung Galaxy S10e and some of the Google Pixel
         | models are nearly hand-size, but I don't know of any that rival
         | the (now unsupported) Xperia XZ1 Compact. The XZ2 Compact is
         | (AFAIK) still supported by LineageOS, but it's chunky.
         | 
         | I have read rumors that a new Xperia Compact model is likely
         | within the next year. I don't want to get my hopes up too high,
         | because this is unconfirmed and because the definition of
         | "compact" seems to be expanding over the years, but I am
         | optimistic.
         | 
         | I doubt that we'll ever see the likes of the Xperia Mini Pro
         | again.
         | 
         | Edit: Here's a handy phone size comparison tool:
         | https://www.phonearena.com/phones/size
        
         | JamesAdir wrote:
         | From about 2 weeks ago: Ask HN: Why is there no small Android
         | phone? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30405011
         | 
         | And another discussion from 3 months ago:
         | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29287158
        
         | wryun wrote:
         | Sony Xperia 10 III (same width)
         | 
         | Asus Zenfone 8
        
         | technovader wrote:
         | The Pixel 5 is perfect.
         | 
         | It's the only phone that tore me away from the iPhone 7/8 SE
         | form.
         | 
         | The fingerprint sensor is arguable in a better position (on the
         | back).
         | 
         | Plus you get better battery, an OLED screen, 90hz.
         | 
         | It sucks the Pixel 6 series went huge and bulky instead of
         | continuing the successive wins of Pixel 3,4,5.
        
         | sfblah wrote:
         | I used to use a Motorola phone I got off Amazon for like $200.
         | It was great, but various factors have caused me to return to
         | using an iPhone. Looking online a bit maybe it was the G7 plus?
         | 
         | My favorite "feature" of these Android phones is the price.
         | It's like having insurance on your phone. If you lose or break
         | it, it's not $1500 down the tubes.
        
           | fouc wrote:
           | > My favorite "feature" of these Android phones is the price
           | 
           | Honestly that's my favorite feature of iPhones too. I've
           | always bought used iPhones 2-3 generations behind. And
           | they're often supported for many years.
           | 
           | Current iPhone is 1st generation SE 2016, probably worth less
           | than $80 and runs latest iOS.
        
             | sokoloff wrote:
             | I've usually bought 1-2 generations behind, often at the
             | $250-400 price point, and then run them for 3-4 years or
             | so. I just replaced the battery on my wife's X and that
             | looks like it'll now go well past the 4 year mark.
        
         | rchaud wrote:
         | Nearly impossible, and I'm saying this as a lifetime Android
         | user.
         | 
         | Your best bet would be boutique OEMs like Unihertz, who have a
         | 3.1-inch Jelly phone (underpowered) and a Blackberry style
         | Titan Pocket with a hardware keyboard and 4-inch screen.
         | 
         | Neither of these sound like what you want. In the Android
         | world, one can only hope that another small-time OEM will swoop
         | in to fill the gap, before inevitably disappearing.
        
           | fragmede wrote:
           | Since pocketability is a large component of the size
           | question, the foldable Motorola Android phone is worth taking
           | looking at (if you can afford it). Unfolded it's modern-sized
           | but folded up it fits in more places.
        
       | jazzyjackson wrote:
       | I don't suppose there's any reason to expect a price cut on the
       | 13 minis someday, is there?
        
         | criddell wrote:
         | Apple sells refurbished phones for around a 20% discount.
        
           | SmellTheGlove wrote:
           | Apple hasn't even put the iPhone 12 on the refurbished store
           | yet. It's going to be a while.
        
         | fckgw wrote:
         | Apple doesn't cut the price on their phones, they stay the same
         | price until replaced the next year.
         | 
         | You can often find some retailer discounts later in the cycle
         | but the Mini and SE are in different market segments as far as
         | Apple is concerned.
        
           | ceejayoz wrote:
           | Sure they do.
           | 
           | You can still buy an iPhone 11 for $499 at
           | https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-11. Launch price
           | $699.
           | 
           | The iPhone 12 is similarly still available for $599 at
           | https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-12. Launch
           | price, again, $699.
           | 
           | (The iPhone 13 mini is, unsurprisingly, $699. It'll almost
           | certainly drop to $599 when the 14 comes out, and $499 when
           | the 15 does.)
        
       | loeg wrote:
       | Oh, I want this. I "upgraded" from an iPhone 8 to an iPhone 12
       | two years ago and dislike almost everything new about the 12 --
       | the size (too large), FaceID (never as reliable as pressing the
       | fingerprint button was). iPhone 8, but faster and with better
       | battery life? Lovely.
        
         | eisa01 wrote:
         | What about the 13 mini?
        
           | josefresco wrote:
           | My wife has it.... chonky as hell. It looks and feels (not
           | operates obviously) like a step back from her sleek and thin
           | 6S.
        
             | markdown wrote:
             | > My wife has it.... chonky as hell.
             | 
             | That's a feature, not a bug. I can't stand thin phones.
        
           | loeg wrote:
           | It also uses FaceID.
        
         | deltarholamda wrote:
         | I have the 2016 SE, and I love it. Hate FaceID, hate the _idea_
         | of FaceID. I don 't use the fingerprint ID either. I don't even
         | lock the phone.
         | 
         | I really like the home button, and I was scared they were going
         | to drop it. Glad it made the cut at least one more time.
         | 
         | If I can't have my Blackberry Bold back, I'll take this. I
         | tried the bigger iPhone 7 Plus to see if the larger screen
         | helped with the crappy screen keyboard, but it didn't, so I'd
         | rather have the smaller device.
        
         | markdown wrote:
         | I recommend the 13mini. I reckon the choice between the 13 mini
         | and SE comes down to whether you'd prefer much better photos
         | and videos.
        
           | loeg wrote:
           | TouchID vs FaceID is a bigger criteria than photo quality for
           | me.
        
       | amoorthy wrote:
       | Wow, the home button reappears! Love this.
       | 
       | On my iPhoneX I've had the touch screen get into a frozen state
       | so many times and there is no way to unlock or dismiss apps. And
       | then there's the face ID unlock issue when you're wearing a mask
       | or not looking right at the screen... which is better solved with
       | thumbprint unlock.
       | 
       | I get that you lose screen real estate with bringing back the
       | home button but I think it's the right call.
        
         | nebula8804 wrote:
         | I am not sure about iPhone X but I thought there was a new mode
         | on the latest iOS that allows you to add a second Face ID
         | unlock when wearing a mask? Its an additional setup you have to
         | do I think?
        
           | Tomte wrote:
           | On next week's iOS 15.4
        
             | babypuncher wrote:
             | Just in time for most mask mandates/recommendations to
             | finish disappearing.
             | 
             | Where was this feature like 18 months ago?
        
               | mkr-hn wrote:
               | They'll be back with the inevitable next major variant
               | just like Delta and Omicron. Some countries always had
               | enough mask usage to justify a feature like this.
        
         | melling wrote:
         | The home button isn't reappearing.
         | 
         | It's an upgrade to the SE, which always had the home button
        
           | ComradePhil wrote:
           | SE started as a copy of their previous models (iPhone 5) and
           | then SE2 was a copy of iPhone 8.
           | 
           | The SE series is not defined by its design because iPhone 5
           | and 8 were very different design-wise.
           | 
           | The thing that is different about the SE series is the lower
           | price.
        
             | dejj wrote:
             | Do you know of any gimmick, e.g. case that brings the
             | button and its tactile feedback to 11,12,13?
        
           | amoorthy wrote:
           | Ah silly me. Thanks for the clarification.
        
         | [deleted]
        
       | TAKEMYMONEY wrote:
       | Giant bezels, no USB, and a _physical_ button? Feels very
       | outdated compared to the rest of the lineup announced today.
        
         | Fezzik wrote:
         | I think what they're doing is super-smart: there is a giant
         | section of the population that wants consistency over any other
         | feature - my mom, 74, and her 5 siblings are always thrilled to
         | have a phone that works exactly like their last phone; 54+
         | million people in the United States are over the age of 65. I
         | don't know if that plays in to their decisions, but it sure is
         | appreciated.
        
           | mholm wrote:
           | Additionally, an A15 processor means this phone is going to
           | stay solid and consistent for at least 5 more years. No
           | issues with buying the cheaper phone and needing to replace
           | it more often because the software phased it out faster.
        
         | kcartlidge wrote:
         | No USB isn't great, but personally:
         | 
         | - Giant bezels => easy grip without touching the screen or
         | covering it
         | 
         | - Physical button => still works better for unlocking than
         | FaceTime (especially with a mask)
         | 
         | Virtually every other phone doesn't "suffer" from those
         | "drawbacks" so this is probably my next phone when my current
         | 2nd gen SE expires.
        
           | 2muchcoffeeman wrote:
           | USB C isn't exactly everything it's cracked up to be. You
           | can't exactly just grab any USB C cable and plug it into any
           | USB C port and it works. I still need to keep that one USB C
           | cable with thunderbolt and charging specifically for my
           | laptop. Except now I have to label it or be careful with
           | cable management.
           | 
           | I'd rather be able to just look at the connector and tell
           | what it does rather than this silly game of "this USB C cable
           | is fat, maybe I can use it to charge my laptop". USB C ports
           | are harder to clean too.
        
             | leetcrew wrote:
             | I choose to look at it from a glass half-full perspective.
             | any usbc cable is at least as good as a standard usb2
             | cable. anything past that is a bonus. it's mildly annoying
             | that some cables support high wattage PD and some don't,
             | but it sure beats carrying around two dedicated cables all
             | the time.
             | 
             | but if it really bugs you that much, why not just find a
             | cable that supports all the features you need, buy a few of
             | those, and hide the rest? they're not that expensive...
        
           | dartharva wrote:
           | > - Physical button => still works better for unlocking than
           | FaceTime (especially with a mask)
           | 
           | There are better ways of doing this than a button below the
           | screen unnecessarily eating up space; e.g. having the
           | fingerprint reader on the side, or the back, like literally
           | any modern smartphone.
        
       | asimops wrote:
       | If only it had android
        
       | Nition wrote:
       | The original iPhone SE (2016) is still the most powerful small
       | smartphone ever made.
       | 
       | Here's everything released since 2015 that's SE size or smaller:
       | https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2015&nHeightM...
       | 
       | This SE, and the previous one, are significantly larger. The
       | iPhone 13 Mini is closer to original SE size but still larger
       | (around 8mm longer and 6mm wider).
        
         | incanus77 wrote:
         | I agree. I'm an iOS developer (and Apple developer of 20 years)
         | and I'm still using one.
        
         | onemoresoop wrote:
         | Currently using the original SE and I'm quite happy with it; as
         | a device it still performs decently too. I don't need more than
         | that for my use so I'm going to hold onto it till it dies out.
         | One issue I've had with the small size is that a lot of
         | websites are not rendering properly with this screen size and
         | make the assumption that my phone's size is larger. It's not
         | the device's problem the websites are broken but it's quite
         | telling that the whole industry moved on to phablets.
        
           | givemeethekeys wrote:
           | Hows the battery life?
        
         | aidenn0 wrote:
         | I suppose it depends on your definition of small and powerful.
         | My phone is smaller in width and height than the SE (which is
         | what your gsm arena filters on), but has a larger volume due to
         | being twice as thick and weighs 3g less.
         | 
         | With 6GB of ram and a 8-core (4 big + 4 little) 2GHz MediaTek
         | CPU, it's more powerful than the dual core A9. On the other-
         | hand its 480x854 screen is much lower resolution.
        
           | Nition wrote:
           | Can I ask what phone that is?
           | 
           | I admit I'm being a little unfair on "small", to suit my own
           | preference. But you could fit a 5" edge-to-edge screen in
           | original SE size (the iPhone 13 mini has a 5.4" screen), and
           | it'd be fantastic. Hell you could do a 4" screen - same size
           | screen as the original SE - but make it edge-to-edge and the
           | phone would be tiny and just as functional (except maybe
           | battery life...).
        
             | aidenn0 wrote:
             | Unihertz Jelly 2. 3" screen, Android 11.
        
               | barbs wrote:
               | I have a first-gen iPhone SE and it's been great, but the
               | hardware is starting to wear out. I actually bought a
               | Unihertz Jelly to migrate to but I'm waiting until the
               | iPhone SE becomes unusable before switching over. How are
               | you finding the Jelly?
        
               | aidenn0 wrote:
               | I commented here.
               | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30606598 TL;DR
               | everything is "okay" or better except the camera, which
               | is terrible.
        
               | Nition wrote:
               | That looks really neat and it's not on GSMArena for some
               | reason, or else it would appear in my linked search. I
               | kinda thought they had everything.
        
             | [deleted]
        
         | nerdponx wrote:
         | I wish I still had my first-gen SE, because it actually fit in
         | my small hands, and its nice solid rectangular body made it
         | easy to hold and hard to drop. The home button on that unit was
         | starting to give out after 4 years of heavy service and I
         | didn't want to spend the money for an out-of-warranty repair.
         | 
         | Unfortunately the Gen 2 is also mostly "non-repairable"; I had
         | to get a total phone replacement for something as simple as a
         | dying Thunderbolt port. According to the person at the Genius
         | Bar, the 12 Mini is much more repairable, more like the first-
         | gen SE in terms of its internals.
         | 
         | This SE Gen 3 still has the rounded/slim iPhone 6 body style,
         | so I would expect it to be equally non-repairable. So all
         | things equal, I would still go for the 12 Mini over the SE Gen
         | 2 if I could make the choice over again.
        
           | Nextgrid wrote:
           | I've swapped the case on my iPhone 8 - the Lightning port is
           | on a separate board and I don't believe there's any active
           | logic in it that would prevent replacement. It's quite a long
           | process though that involves taking most of the phone apart -
           | plan around 3 hours if you don't have previous experience.
        
         | ummonk wrote:
         | I didn't upgrade my original style iPhone SE until the iPhone
         | 12 Mini came out. It's a little bit larger but still
         | manageable, unlike most other phones that come out these days.
         | No headphone jack though sadly.
        
           | teejmya wrote:
           | I held out as well until the 13 Mini. I still use my OG SE as
           | a media device, since it has a headphone jack.
        
         | dangus wrote:
         | It's also the hardest to compute on. The screen real estate is
         | truly just not enough.
         | 
         | It's from an era where we didn't run our lives and businesses
         | on our phones.
         | 
         | About 70% of all website visits come from mobile phones:
         | https://www.perficient.com/insights/research-hub/mobile-vs-d...
         | 
         | The world has changed a lot since the original iPhone 4 and 5
         | form factor hit the scene.
        
           | GloriousKoji wrote:
           | I would argue that the screen real estate is enough but with
           | the ~2:1 screen ratio the iPhone X introduced and excessive
           | UI whitespace bloat program UIs are just no longer space
           | efficient and so the true area of importance ends up being
           | the size of about two postage stamps.
        
       | ydnaclementine wrote:
       | Pretty sure that's a lightning port on the bottom unfortunately.
       | Waiting for usb-c like the ipads
        
         | onphonenow wrote:
         | Lighting is a much firmer connector from what I've experienced.
         | The latency on audio is also miles better if you do music. I
         | returned an ipad with USB-C - unusable.
        
         | paxys wrote:
         | Even if/when they do introduce usb-c on iPhones, it will start
         | with the high end models not the SE. The regular iPad doesn't
         | have usb-c either.
        
       | als0 wrote:
       | Still not small enough. The 1st gen SE was perfect in size and
       | easy to grip. The iPhone 13 mini is smaller but still easily
       | falls out of my hand if I'm not paying attention. Alas, we live
       | in the age of phablets.
        
         | uxp100 wrote:
         | It's a little bigger, but thinner, right? I also went 1st gen
         | SE for 5 years, and am hoping my 13 mini lasts 5 as well (with
         | a battery replacement at some point), but I drop this phone way
         | more than my SE. I think the edges are slipperier.
        
           | masklinn wrote:
           | Yes at 7.3mm the 8 design reused by the SE2 and 3 is quite a
           | bit thinner than the SE's 7.6mm, though it's at least a
           | blessing they used the 8's shell because the 6 to 7 shell was
           | only 7.1.
           | 
           | The XR and 11 went way up to 8.3, but then the 12 went back
           | down to 7.4, and the 13 back up a notch to 7.65.
           | 
           | IME it's not just that the edges are slipperier (though they
           | are), it's also that the rounded edges offer way less secure
           | a grip than the flat edges of the 5S shell. And the phone is
           | bigger and less well balanced, so holding it single-handed it
           | always teeters on the edge.
           | 
           | I currently have an 11, which replaced a 6S. I'd not seen
           | they'd thinned the phones again so I'm quite dismayed, the 6S
           | was an absolute horror show which I kept dropping. The 11 is
           | _significantly_ better, though I still drop it way more than
           | I'm comfortable with.
           | 
           | I miss the 4S design. Not only do I still think it better
           | looking, it was more safer, and easier to use: picking the 6S
           | from a table was an exercise in frustration. The 11 is
           | better, but it's not great. The 4S was easy, you just...
           | gripped it. You didn't have to claw your fingers under so it
           | didn't slip.
        
         | Nextgrid wrote:
         | Cynical me thinks that part of the reasons small phones died
         | out is because you can't fit as many ads on those screens.
         | 
         | Small phones are good for a lot of _functional_ purposes, but
         | terrible at  "growth and engagement".
        
           | MandieD wrote:
           | Also not as compelling for watching video, aka more ads.
           | 
           | Current phone: SE 2020, purchased second hand last summer
           | Previous: SE 2016, purchased second hand fall 2017
           | 
           | Delighted to see this one hit the scene; would have been
           | happier if it were in the 5/SE 2016 form factor, but
           | satisfied with the internals. I'm looking forward to getting
           | one in about two years.
        
         | paxys wrote:
         | There is no market for small smartphones. The mini line has
         | consistently underperformed, and may get cancelled completely
         | in the next refresh. People who complain about large screens
         | online are unfortunately a vocal minority.
        
           | ivan_gammel wrote:
           | Women are the market for smaller devices and they are
           | majority in many countries. Today is a good day to remind
           | about it.
        
             | harperlee wrote:
             | Women tend to have more space for storing a big phone with
             | them, as they use more bags and less pockets.
        
               | mook wrote:
               | Storing phones in bags don't help with the phone being
               | too big to hold.
               | 
               | (Incidentally, not all women store phones in bags; but
               | then I used to see men storing phones on those things
               | that clip into your belt too... probably not within the
               | last few years though. Also, you're not storing
               | _anything_ in women's pockets; they're mostly
               | decorative.)
        
               | ivan_gammel wrote:
               | https://www.instagram.com/reel/CPdotquH6e-/
               | 
               | Now, on the serious side, this is ignorant and sexist
               | comment. It is sexist because it focuses on gender-biased
               | fashion, emphasizing social gender inequality. It is
               | ignorant because it does not take into account that women
               | are usually physically smaller than men and they have
               | smaller hands. They need a smaller device to have the
               | same user experience as men, not because they want to
               | carry it in their pockets (though surely they want it
               | too).
        
               | hombre_fatal wrote:
               | All of the women in my life that I can think of have
               | larger phones, often the plus sized models. They tend to
               | use some form of a popsocket to make it manageable.
               | 
               | This could very well be the reality of the phone market
               | for women without trying to unmask anyone making the
               | observation as sexist. Seems like you read their comment
               | as a prescription of how things ought to be.
               | 
               | I'm not sure what the fuss is about though. The people
               | doing the market research have decided offer two small
               | options in the current iPhone generation, so there's
               | clearly a market for it whether that's women driving that
               | market or not. There are all sorts of reasons anyone
               | might want a smaller phone. I own a 13 mini myself and
               | I'm a big guy.
        
           | 2muchcoffeeman wrote:
           | Didn't they sell 24 million SEs in 2020? Apparently more than
           | any other iPhone model except the 11.
        
           | oreilles wrote:
           | This iPhone SE 2020 (and this new one) both have a smaller
           | screen than the 12/13 mini. The mini line underperformed
           | because it was in direct competition with the SE, not because
           | people didn't want small screen. If that was the case, they
           | wouldn't buy the SE either. You can see this very well in the
           | sales share by model from this article:
           | https://9to5mac.com/2021/07/15/iphone-12-line-accounted-
           | for-....
        
           | dogman144 wrote:
           | Gets into interesting user design and accessibility topics.
           | 
           | I have no idea what Apple did in this direction, but whenever
           | I hear "no market for small phones," I think of the women in
           | my life with small hands who bring up the lack of options
           | voluntarily when phone size is discussed (especially when an
           | older iphone SE that's small is seen).
        
           | Dunedan wrote:
           | Of course there is a market. Selling millions of devices
           | proves that, no matter if that's considered "underperforming"
           | when compared to the sales of larger smartphones.
        
           | dijit wrote:
           | The mini underperforming is unfortunately proof of very
           | little.
           | 
           | I didn't upgrade to the 6 because it was too big, the iPhone
           | mini is the same size as a 6.
           | 
           | https://imgur.com/a/W5b7RDF
           | 
           | If you're in the market for a small phone: an iPhone mini is
           | just taking you back to when they were already too big.
        
             | mylons wrote:
             | unfortunately it's proof that people do not want it.
        
               | xboxnolifes wrote:
               | That's not really true. If people want a 4" phone and you
               | only give an option of 6" or 6.5", them picking one of
               | the other here doesn't _prove_ they don 't want an actual
               | small phone.
               | 
               | I think it's true based on other evidence, but this on
               | it's own isn't conclusive.
        
             | mtalantikite wrote:
             | Yeah, I had a 7 and held on to it for a while hoping a
             | smaller form factor would come out. Then when the original
             | SE launched in 2020 I just gave up hope on a small phone
             | and bought it since my 7 was dying. A few months later the
             | Mini came out, which was annoying timing. I'd be interested
             | in the Mini, but I generally keep my phones at least a few
             | years.
             | 
             | iPhone 4 was my favorite form factor. I just want something
             | I can use with one hand.
        
               | mkr-hn wrote:
               | The original SE was 2016. 2020 was the first update.
        
               | mtalantikite wrote:
               | Yeah, you're right, I guess I meant in this form factor.
               | The first to use the SE name was definitely back in 2016
               | with that other 5S design. Thanks for recalling that!
        
               | memco wrote:
               | I felt a little cheated when they launched the nini after
               | the 2020 SE. I'm still using my 2020 SE and will probably
               | update in the next year but I'm not sure whether I'll go
               | for the 2022 SE or the mini. The cost of the SE and the
               | Touch ID are very strong selling points, but the size of
               | the mini and the squared sides are also appealing. I am
               | hoping they'll make an SE-mini hybrid but I'm not holding
               | my breath.
        
             | mantas wrote:
             | As 6 owner who upgraded to 13 mini... 13 mini fits in hand
             | much better than 6. Love it.
             | 
             | ... although 5/se form factor would be even better.
        
             | fouc wrote:
             | Yeah that's an interesting problem, if people refuse to
             | buy/upgrade to newer phones because they're too big, it
             | might be hard to see there's a market for smaller phones.
        
           | testfoobar wrote:
           | Nah. Lots of people I know have the a 2020 iPhone SE - both
           | for its size and more importantly for the fingerprint reader.
           | I have one and love it. I would consider the 13 mini - but I
           | prefer fingerprint vs faceid.
        
           | ako wrote:
           | I'm afraid you're correct about it underperforming, but as an
           | owner of an iphone 13 mini i can only say i'm very happy with
           | it. As long as there is a mini available, i will not switch
           | to a larger model.
        
             | geoffjentry wrote:
             | There are many stories out there that there will not be an
             | iPhone 14 mini
        
               | joshmlewis wrote:
               | "They" said there would not be an iPhone 13 Mini either
               | but they were obviously wrong there.
        
               | holmium wrote:
               | No, "they" didn't. An iPhone 13 mini was rumored ten days
               | before the iPhone 12 was revealed [1] (see also in that
               | same rumor the 2022 SE 3 launch). There were rumors
               | through out following year that Apple was still going to
               | have 13 mini even with poor sales of the 12 mini [2].
               | 
               | The same people are saying that the mini is toast for the
               | iPhone 14. It's gone. Maybe Tim Cook will do his Tim Cook
               | thing and reuse the mini form factor as the next SE for
               | the next half decade, but I wouldn't bet on it.
               | 
               | -----------
               | 
               | [1]
               | https://www.macrumors.com/2020/10/02/iphone-13-lineup-
               | rumore...
               | 
               | [2] https://www.macrumors.com/2021/02/15/iphone-13-mini-
               | expected...
        
               | mholm wrote:
               | I actually don't recall any popular opinions that there
               | wouldn't be a 13 mini. Info I had seen over the whole
               | span of the 12 indicated that the 13 mini was too far
               | along to kill, and the 14 was going to get canned.
        
           | legulere wrote:
           | I would take a mini at the price point of the SE. At the
           | current price it's simply too costly.
        
       | cehrlich wrote:
       | If I needed a new phone I'd probably get this - will get 5+ years
       | of security updates, and does everything else ok.
        
         | new_stranger wrote:
         | I'm not a person with lots of free time that wants to update to
         | the latest and greatest every year.
         | 
         | I now appreciate apple phones knowing I can upgrade when I want
         | and not in 1 year, 9 months when Google/Samsung drop support
         | for my phone.
         | 
         | Also, CalyxOS on Android provides that same concept of support
         | for old pixels if you want to just keep using your phone as-is.
        
           | JazzXP wrote:
           | This is what pushed me back to Apple after a single Android
           | device. After 18 months, it was running like crap, and when I
           | bought it, it was considered one of the best flagship Android
           | devices available (there was another that was equal, so it
           | was a coin toss between them).
        
             | duxup wrote:
             | Yeah there's an Android Slowdown Syndrome that I don't know
             | what it is... but Android has it. My wife's old iPhone 8
             | still runs fine. All my old android phones from that time
             | are a mess.
        
           | rodgerd wrote:
           | > I'm not a person with lots of free time
           | 
           | > CalyxOS on Android
           | 
           | Pick one.
        
             | new_stranger wrote:
             | Took about 10 minutes to install and most of that was just
             | waiting for the os to transfer to the phone. Really easy
             | install guide. Works great. I wouldn't ask grandma to do
             | it, but the technical crowd here probably isn't scared of
             | running a couple cli commands.
        
               | Nextgrid wrote:
               | That still doesn't address the issue that it's community-
               | supported and can disappear at any time. Cyanogenmod used
               | to be the main alternative ROM back in the day, and
               | disappeared virtually overnight? It came back as
               | LineageOS but it still meant that people had to reinstall
               | (or somehow convert their Cyanogen install into Lineage,
               | if that's possible) which takes time.
        
       | MrBuddyCasino wrote:
       | The 2nd gen SE is a nice phone, but battery life is terrible.
       | Couldn't find any numbers, has this improved?
        
         | pattyj wrote:
         | Video playback up from 13 hrs to 15 hrs
         | 
         | Streamed video playback up from 8 hrs to 10 hrs
         | 
         | Audio playback up from 40 hrs to 50 hrs
         | 
         | According to
         | https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?modelList=iphoneSE2ndg...
         | 
         | It's the same thickness so who knows if the battery has more
         | capacity. I would think it's more likely that going from A13
         | 7nm to A15 5nm chip nets ~20% battery
        
         | kemayo wrote:
         | The announcement post does mention "better battery life" a
         | bunch. No explicit numbers, though.
        
           | npage97 wrote:
           | From tech spec pages:
           | 
           | iPhone SE (3rd gen) (https://www.apple.com/iphone-se/specs)
           | 
           | Video playback:                   Up to 15 hours
           | 
           | Video playback (streamed):                   Up to 10 hours
           | 
           | Audio playback:                   Up to 50 hours
           | 
           | iPhone SE (2nd gen)
           | (https://support.apple.com/kb/SP820?locale=en_US)
           | 
           | Video playback:                   Up to 13 hours
           | 
           | Video playback (streamed):                   Up to 8 hours
           | 
           | Audio playback:                   Up to 40 hours
           | 
           | So looking like a ~25% improvement. For some reason Apple
           | likes to hide the mAh... so not sure how much is the chip vs
           | possibly a bigger battery?
        
       | madspindel wrote:
       | Could someone confirm it has the U1 chip needed for Airtag
       | precision find?
        
         | waffleiron wrote:
         | It does not according to the apple.com compare between iphone
         | 13 and new SE
        
       | rchaud wrote:
       | Is this still 16:9? Or has it gone the ultra-narrow aspect ratio
       | of all the other phones?
        
         | Synaesthesia wrote:
         | Still 16:9
        
       | azinman2 wrote:
       | Interesting to me to see how few upvotes this has gotten in one
       | hour (10). Perhaps not so popular HN? Which is surprising,
       | because I feel like before the relaunch many people complained it
       | didn't exist and wanted it.
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | newaccount74 wrote:
         | People would upvote it if came with USB-C or brought back the
         | headphone jack.
        
           | bjoli wrote:
           | You say this as a joke, but after seeing this phone my wife
           | decided to buy an android phone. She wants a 3.5mm jack.
           | 
           | She has been holding out for apple to change their mind and
           | give her an update path from her 6s.
        
             | newaccount74 wrote:
             | I'm not saying it as a joke, I've switched to a Samsung
             | phone myself because it comes with USB-C and a headphone
             | jack. I miss some Apple things like iMessage, but I just
             | got so sick of carrying extra cables and dongles
             | everywhere.
        
         | nebula8804 wrote:
         | Its just a spec upgrade from last years phone no?
        
           | [deleted]
        
           | omgwtfbyobbq wrote:
           | I'd say so. In my experience, different carriers have been
           | discounting/clearing out many of Apple's 4g models at pretty
           | good prices over the last year.
        
       | stjohnswarts wrote:
       | I wish my fingers weren't so fat :(
        
       | ilamont wrote:
       | My mom uses an old iPhone 5, and is only giving it up this year
       | because the carrier will no longer support 3G. I am glad the new
       | SE phone is available ... the button and small form factor are
       | really important for her.
        
         | Nextgrid wrote:
         | Doesn't the iPhone 5 support 4G (LTE) though?
        
           | meragrin_ wrote:
           | Data, not voice over LTE. Lack of volte is the issue.
        
           | MrRadar wrote:
           | It does, but not Voice over LTE (VoLTE) for phone calls.
        
         | brimble wrote:
         | The single home button was such a brilliant UX move. It's been
         | weird to watch them ditch it. Such a genius little safety
         | blanket for ordinary users. "WTF is going on?!" Press home--the
         | _only_ button visible on the face of the phone--and you 're
         | back in familiar territory.
        
           | Nextgrid wrote:
           | Having a "safe" area to hold the phone by and be guaranteed
           | it won't interact with anything is also nice. Yes, in my
           | experience the touch rejection at the bottom for the new
           | borderless iPhones is very good, but it's still a touch
           | surface that under the right conditions could do something
           | unexpected (and never underestimate non-technical users to
           | break something you thought was bulletproof).
        
           | ilamont wrote:
           | The other thing I love about the button is the fingerprint
           | reader. Far superior to facial recognition IMHO.
        
             | ekanes wrote:
             | yeah especially in an age of masks
        
             | javajosh wrote:
             | Better in the back of the phone IMHO.
        
               | stjohnswarts wrote:
               | Yeah I miss this from my Pixel phones. I wish Apple would
               | build a model that uses this.
        
             | brimble wrote:
             | I was one of the people who could never get the damn thing
             | to work right. And re-training it a few times a year just
             | to get it _back up_ to a ~50% success rate, because of
             | humidity changes, was no fun. Eventually I just started
             | using a code again, since I 'd end up there more often than
             | not anyway. But it seems like it was probably awesome for
             | people who didn't have trouble with it.
        
               | kiwijamo wrote:
               | I'm also one of those who could never get the Apple
               | fingerprint reader to work well--for me it was 50/50
               | whether it worked or not. Like the parent I ended up
               | switching back to code entry which was usually quicker
               | anyway. So when I moved over to Android I was very
               | suspicious whether the Android implementation would be
               | any better--and in fact it is miles better. My Samsung
               | S21 recognises my fingerprint around 9 times out of 10.
               | It works even in situations (e.g. sweaty fingers) where
               | the Apple implementation would not work at all. What
               | makes me even more impressed is that the S21 has the
               | fingerprint reader embedded into the screen, whereas
               | Apple had the advantage of a dedicated space for the
               | fingerprint reader without a screen getting in the way.
               | YMMV of course but now I understand how nice it is just
               | to press your fingerprint and it just works. Wonder if
               | there are people who have unusual features in their
               | fingerprint that causes Apple's implementation to
               | struggle?
        
               | brimble wrote:
               | IIRC my touchID phone was one of the early ones to have
               | it (a 7+, maybe? I don't recall for sure). I've used I
               | think three different Apple laptops with touchID, and
               | they've all worked fine. It could be that early versions
               | of the hardware didn't like something about my skin, but
               | later versions (by the time they started putting them in
               | laptops) were fine. I hold on to phones quite a while, so
               | my next upgrade after that had faceID. In fairness to
               | Apple, I didn't try any of their later touchID-equipped
               | models of phones.
        
               | Someone wrote:
               | > it is miles better. My Samsung S21 recognises my
               | fingerprint around 9 times out of 10
               | 
               | That second sentence doesn't imply the first one. The
               | Samsung could have a lower false positive rate (letting
               | the registered fingerprint unlock the phone more often)
               | at the cost of a higher false negative rate (letting
               | unregistered fingerprints unlock the phone more often)
               | 
               | In the limit, if it rolled a ten sided die for any press
               | of its button, and unlocked the phone unless it rolled a
               | one, that would give users the impression that it
               | recognizes their fingerprint 90% of the time.
               | 
               | (Of course, "doesn't imply" doesn't mean the first
               | sentence isn't true, either. It may be genuinely better,
               | or Samsung might have chosen a different cut-off,
               | sacrificing security for a gain in usability. I wouldn't
               | know. Do any phone reviews test these things at all?)
        
               | teekert wrote:
               | Yeah for me it works great. I feel like now everything
               | opens automatically as long as the thing is in the
               | general direction of my face, whereas one used to have to
               | constantly make a conscious action (push the fingerprint
               | reader).
        
               | brimble wrote:
               | Yeah, to be clear, the fingerprint reader is what never
               | worked well for me. 2-3x a year of re-training because
               | it'd stop working at all if the air (and so, my skin) got
               | too dry, or too wet. Pretty bad success rate even when it
               | was "working". Masks aside, face unlock has worked great
               | for me.
               | 
               | [EDIT] But _if_ touch-to-unlock had worked for me, and
               | _if_ I had to take one or the other, I might prefer it.
        
               | DanTheManPR wrote:
               | I wonder why fingerprint readers act up for some people,
               | is there some sort of physiological reason? It works
               | perfectly for me, but I've seen how much a tech-savvy
               | friend of mine struggled with it (for them, faceid was a
               | godsend).
        
               | brimble wrote:
               | I suspect it's got something to do with skin oils or
               | natural variation in skin moisture. I know that big
               | humidity swings were guaranteed to ruin it for me. Air
               | gets dry in the winter, touch unlock drops to maybe 20%
               | success rate at best. Fix it by re-training, then in late
               | Spring it does it again when the air gets wetter.
               | 
               | The ones on their laptops, however, have been reliable.
               | Possibly there was a generational improvement in the
               | equipment before it hit the laptops, and my problems were
               | just because I had an early model on my phone.
        
               | paxys wrote:
               | I am that way with Face ID. Even under optimal conditions
               | I can never get it to work more than 50-60% of the time.
        
               | hombre_fatal wrote:
               | Face ID, at least on the iPhone 13, is almost perfect for
               | me once I rescanned my face from below since I'm usually
               | peering down at it. Maybe try that.
        
           | lelandfe wrote:
           | As someone who used to feel similarly, I've acclimated to the
           | touch system now. I think it's pretty brilliant - swiping up
           | from the bottom gets you the same function.
        
             | ginko wrote:
             | Swiping up with your thumb is pretty awkward though.
        
               | brimble wrote:
               | That's a good point. It doesn't feel good with the case
               | on, and it makes me feel like I'm gonna drop the phone
               | with the case off.
        
             | brimble wrote:
             | It's fine for me--though I probably fail the swipe-up
             | gesture in one way or another 10% of the time, say by
             | accidentally engaging the task switcher instead, or not
             | quite getting close enough to the edge, which basically
             | never happened with the button--but the button was a great
             | affordance for the less-tech-savvy.
        
       | TheDudeMan wrote:
       | Rounded sides are no bueno. But I do miss the fingerprint reader
       | in the "better" models.
        
         | BigComrade wrote:
        
       | prototypeasap wrote:
       | So, to summarize: perfect size for one handed operation; Physical
       | button is also a fingerprint reader (but i don't see the
       | confirmation everywhere, only on some sites). No 3.5 jack (sigh).
       | 
       | I am still a very content user of 2nd gen SE. Thanks to the
       | controversy with purposeful "slowing down" of aging phones, i was
       | able to get a discounted battery replacement a few years back.
       | So, my phone is holding up very well!
       | 
       | But if it does break - i guess I'll be getting this one instead
       | of 'smallish' Pixel.
        
         | dstick wrote:
         | Get the iPhone Mini, you won't regret it. I've used up 5 of the
         | original SEs. The iPhone Mini's design is perfect and the
         | actual SE in terms of usability. This SE has those round edges
         | again which significantly lessens the grip.
        
         | 1980phipsi wrote:
         | I would love to get a 3.5 jack on an Apple product again
        
         | temp0826 wrote:
         | I replaced the screen of my last SE 4 times. Hard to beat when
         | there are $25 replacement kits available. Not the case with the
         | 12 mini I picked up recently - wish I would've held off for
         | this new SE (granted I don't think we'll see cheapo replacement
         | parts any time soon). Really prefer the smaller size and the
         | headphone jack isn't a dealbreaker for me
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | idonotknowwhy wrote:
         | What's it like in terms of camera app open speed?
         | 
         | I made the mistake of getting a midrange android phone after
         | phones became over 1 grand AUD. Missed so many photos due to
         | the 2 seconds it takes to open.
         | 
         | Ended up getting a $1500 phone again to get the >1 second
         | camera opening speed, like my 5 year old flagship had.
         | 
         | Are apple's cheap phones fast with opening the camera app and
         | then taking a photo?
        
           | smoe wrote:
           | Not very scientific test, just pressing start stop on the
           | stop watch on Google with one hand and opening the photo app
           | and taking a picture with the other a couple of times. On my
           | iPhone SE 2nd gen, after some practise, I can get .5 to .75
           | seconds. When including unlocking the phone first, it's
           | closer to 2s.
        
           | dangus wrote:
           | This updated SE model uses the exact same processor as the
           | iPhone 13 Pro. So, it's fast. Even the old model was fast.
           | 
           | Apple doesn't really sell slow phones at any price point.
           | What you trade off on for their cheaper phones is usually the
           | "everything else" part of the equation.
           | 
           | You want the camera to open fast, and for that reason alone
           | you should consider the iPhone 13, 13 mini, or 12. All of
           | those phones have a dedicated button on the lock screen to
           | open the camera, which I find easier than the swipe gesture
           | on the iPhone SE and all iPhones in that form factor.
           | 
           | What you're missing out on with this SE is:
           | 
           | - For the most part the entire body is the iPhone 8
           | 
           | - It has a far inferior screen, it's the old LCD iPhone 8
           | screen, and it's the smallest phone screen Apple sells.
           | 
           | - It has older cameras/sensors. You mentioned needing a fast
           | camera, and that means you use your cell phone camera a lot.
           | Maybe that means you also want a good camera, and you'll get
           | better cameras in the rest of Apple's lineup for not much
           | more money in some cases.
           | 
           | - It has the worst battery life of any currently-sold iPhone,
           | though it's been improved from the second generation. The
           | physical battery size is smaller than more current iPhones,
           | and there's no way around that.
           | 
           | - The base model storage level is 64GB.
           | 
           | It's for people who "just need a phone" and want an iPhone,
           | I'd say the kind of people who have less than 2-4 hours of
           | screen-on-time per day.
           | 
           | Still, I do think that someone who can spend a few more bucks
           | should consider the iPhone 13, iPhone 13 mini, or iPhone 12.
           | I'd skip the iPhone 12 mini because the 13 mini gives you
           | extra battery life that I'd say it needs.
           | 
           | With all of those models you're going to get better cameras,
           | better battery life, more screen real estate, OLED screens.
           | 
           | If you're really into taking photos, the iPhone 13 Pro really
           | does have an amazing camera system. I didn't think it would
           | blow away my iPhone 12 mini but it really does. You get what
           | you pay for and the top-end is very good. If you're on a
           | postpaid carrier and don't plan to leave for 2-3 years, you
           | might as well take the subsidy and get a high-end phone.
        
           | [deleted]
        
         | ihuman wrote:
         | > Physical button is also a fingerprint reader (but i don't see
         | the confirmation everywhere, only on some sites).
         | 
         | Apple's page says it has Touch ID
         | 
         | > iPhone SE features the familiar Home button with Touch ID
        
         | leetcrew wrote:
         | reminds me of a feature I loved on my droid x. it had a
         | dedicated physical button that would wake the phone and
         | simultaneously open the camera app. inside the app, it would
         | function as the shutter, so you didn't mess up the shot trying
         | to tap on the screen.
         | 
         | I wish that had carried over to modern devices. I guess it's
         | "too intimidating" to the user to have an extra physical
         | button.
        
         | falsenapkin wrote:
         | > vile shenanigans by Apple with slowing down of SEs
         | purposefully
         | 
         | Wasn't this more a poor communication of performance throttling
         | to preserve battery that affected all phones?
         | 
         | And haven't Google/Samsung/others(?) also been caught doing the
         | same thing? I thought just this past week Samsung backpedaled a
         | change to throttle apps for battery performance.
         | 
         | I'm asking more generally because this is my understanding and
         | I'm sure if someone has better info they'll reply, but to me
         | "vile shenanigans" is a bit much. They could have done a better
         | job of communicating a feature with some negative impact, that
         | seems to be a not-uncommon problem for them.
        
         | jeffbee wrote:
         | Anyone who describes active voltage and frequency scaling in
         | order to keep the cpu from crashing as "vile shenanigans" outs
         | themselves as a person without worthwhile opinions on the
         | topic.
        
           | prototypeasap wrote:
           | Ok, yes - i remember them being fined and they did pay for my
           | battery replacement; So, i assumed it was an admission of
           | guilt. But now after some googling, you have a point here;
           | "vile shenanigans' is not a fair description (edited).
        
           | Nextgrid wrote:
           | The problem is that there was no notification to the user
           | that the CPU was slowed down on purpose because the battery
           | can no longer keep up, misleading them into thinking their
           | device suddenly developed a mysterious fault and/or passive-
           | aggressively annoying them into upgrading.
        
           | dartharva wrote:
           | Well, if you'd just let people replace the damn phone's
           | batteries by themselves, you won't have to resort to slowing
           | them down in the first place.
        
       | freeqaz wrote:
       | What's the camera like on this one? I owned the last-gen SE and
       | it's camera was the main reason that I upgraded to the 13 Mini.
       | It was truly awful -- it made my Pixel 2 XL's camera seem WAY,
       | WAY better than what the SE had.
       | 
       | Looking at the press release, I don't see anything about any
       | "new" camera tech. The lens looks pretty similar too. Is anybody
       | able to confirm if this is the same camera as the last gen model?
        
         | plaidfuji wrote:
         | Agreed, everything else I love about my current SE, but the
         | camera was near zero improvement over my 6. If it's single lens
         | it's likely to still be a significant shortcoming. They try to
         | workaround it with better image processing algos but it's not
         | the same.
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | jcoder wrote:
         | It's in the sub-headline, and there's an entire section about
         | it:                   iPhone SE features an all-new camera
         | system powered by A15 Bionic, with a 12-megapixel f/1.8
         | aperture Wide camera that offers incredible computational
         | photography benefits, including
        
       | Wiseacre wrote:
       | If there any confirmation on if this new version is compatible
       | with no sim card? One of the things I enjoy about the pixel
       | budget phones is that it's simless but I was thinking of
       | switching.
        
         | ThePhysicist wrote:
         | Yes it is, see spec.
        
           | Wiseacre wrote:
           | I had trouble finding it on the product page, even after
           | scrolling through all the animations.
        
         | 0x38B wrote:
         | The second-gen iPhone SE supports eSim - I use a SIM card for
         | Verizon and then another carrier with eSim. I can have both
         | active at once, make calls, etc. Uses more battery but is super
         | practical.
         | 
         | Is this what you were talking about?
        
           | Wiseacre wrote:
           | Yes, thank you.
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | throwawayboise wrote:
       | Too big. Too expensive.
        
       | JamesAdir wrote:
       | Another mini iPhone with premium features, and still the Android
       | ecosystem doesn't have a comparable size/features competitor
       | although there are dozens of manufacturers.
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | wryun wrote:
         | Sony Xperia 10 III? (same width)
         | 
         | Asus Zenfone 8
        
           | websap wrote:
           | Zenforce....lol
        
         | mackrevinack wrote:
         | samsung's s10e is only slightly bigger than the SE and its
         | still a decent phone and has a fingerprint sensor on the side
         | where god intended for it to be. wireless charging. lots of
         | things you dont get on a lot of "premium" devices these days,
         | sd card slot, headphone jack, extra programmable button.
         | 
         | sony's XZ1 compact is smaller than the SE and still works
         | great, but i only use it as a music player so im not exactly
         | doing anything that taxing.
         | 
         | phones plateaued for me a few years back so keep that in mind.
         | all the new "features" that phones have these days dont really
         | seem like anything i need
        
         | krzyk wrote:
         | Pixel 4, and previously Pixel 1, 2, 3.
         | 
         | All had smaller (non-XL) versions that had the same hardware
         | except the screen/battery.
        
       | paul7986 wrote:
       | I wish they just include a modern Touch ID in their latest phones
       | that's what keeps me away from the latest and almost greatest.
       | Love to have a better camera but it's Touch ID or nothing!
       | 
       | I bought the X and loathed the unlock UX especially if you ever
       | might need to use your phone in the car.
        
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