[HN Gopher] It's time to admit quantum theory has reached a dead...
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       It's time to admit quantum theory has reached a dead end
        
       Author : pseudolus
       Score  : 14 points
       Date   : 2022-03-08 21:56 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | earedpiece wrote:
       | I get your point, how long do we keep digging before we reach the
       | center of the earth?
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       | It is human nature to quit, most especially, when there is no
       | foreseeable benefits.
       | 
       | But think about it this way, science is like the human body.
       | 
       | The head of science, are those scientists who make a new
       | discovery by going through research articles of their
       | predescessors, who were just 1 mm from digging up gold.
       | 
       | The necks are those scientists, who almost made a new discovery,
       | but couldn't see the light at the end of the tunnel.
       | 
       | And the legs, are the early scientist like Galileo, who laid the
       | ground work.
       | 
       | Anyways, wherever you find yourself, it is imperative you don't
       | lose faith in the process.
       | 
       | Afterall, everybody mocked the Wright brothers, for building a
       | plane. And most advanced scientist question, why they venture
       | into this field called science, afterall it is a labor of love,
       | and only the lucky few get glorified.
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       | But I get your point through and through, it is better scientists
       | pour in their brains in more linear science, like things we can
       | see and computate, instead of pouring brain power in abstract
       | concept that has no current benefit in the present society.
        
       | stevebmark wrote:
       | Sigh, yet another Nautil.us article. One or two meaningful
       | paragraphs buried in a clickbait title by someone bored with
       | their own academic work.
        
       | jleyank wrote:
       | From the point of view of chemistry, QM "works". It provides
       | results that can be tested experimentally and predictions that
       | can be validated. There are issues with computability but that's
       | more engineering than science. Determining structure, spectra and
       | other physical properties is quite helpful.
       | 
       | What was the cliche? All theories are wrong, some theories are
       | useful. It needs to be rephrased from vector codes into massively
       | parallel codes but people can work with that.
        
         | jiggawatts wrote:
         | To me, this always felt like programmers excusing abhorrent
         | code with "but it works".
         | 
         | Quantum theory isn't. It's not a single, cohesive, consistent
         | theory.[1] There is no recipe you can apply, it's just a bunch
         | of guessworks and heuristics that _happen_ to produce the
         | numerically correct equations if you keep trying long enough.
         | This isn 't secret or some sort of external criticism, you'll
         | find this front-and-centre in the foreword of many a QM text!
         | 
         | Schrodinger famously arrived at his equation basically through
         | numerical methods. He just tried things until it "fit" the
         | desired output.
         | 
         | Now, there's nothing _wrong_ with this, per-se. It 's a
         | perfectly viable approach for getting going, for getting
         | _something_ and using it as a starting point. But it isn 't the
         | endpoint, because approaches like this often have virtually no
         | explanatory power.
         | 
         | A similar example is collecting insects, categorising them,
         | giving them Latin names, and putting them up for display in a
         | museum. You can _learn a lot_ , amass enormous amounts of
         | information, but without a theory of genetics and natural
         | selection you will always be blind to the underlying truth of
         | it all.
         | 
         | QM is just like bug collecting. We're collecting numerical
         | equations that work, but we have essentially no clear
         | understanding why. We've built a tree of life, and nobody has
         | had the lightbulb moment that explains _why_ it 's a tree.
         | 
         | [1] There was a paper published a few years back where a bunch
         | of working quantum physicists were asked some simple multiple-
         | choice questions about the _fundamentals_ of the theory. There
         | was no consensus opinion on anything! PS: You 'll get similar
         | results if you ask priests of a random Christian sects about
         | the basics of religion. Conversely, you will get nearly zero
         | disagreement if asking Chemists about the basics of their
         | science.
        
           | spekcular wrote:
           | Come on. We have plenty of good heuristics for why things are
           | the way they are. Quantum theory is no more a bunch of
           | "guessworks and heuristic" than Newtonian mechanics.
           | 
           | Also, physicists disagreeing on interpretational issues
           | related to quantum foundations is not the same thing as
           | disagreeing about the fundamentals of the theory.
        
       | tus666 wrote:
       | Yes, but go back to philosophy not math.
       | 
       | All the evidence suggests the "particle" interpretation of QM is
       | simply wrong, that light or energy really is just a self
       | propagating wave, which explains the double slit experiment
       | cleanly, and is not incompatible with energy levels or
       | quantization if formulated correctly.
       | 
       | Experiments that claim to show light consists of particles need
       | to be reassessed wearing a philosopher's hat.
        
       | geijoenr wrote:
       | For some time already we are in an "epicyclean phase" of physics,
       | trapped by the extraordinary predictive success of Quantum
       | Electrodynamics and still using mathematical methods devised in
       | the 19th century (variational calculus). This has lead us to the
       | current situation, with extremely complicated theories at the
       | limit of human understanding that bear no new results. It will
       | take a modern day Copernicus to come up with a new view of
       | physics, that will result in simpler, more productive models, to
       | take us out of the local maximum we are in.
        
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