[HN Gopher] Zotero 6
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       Zotero 6
        
       Author : Schiphol
       Score  : 472 points
       Date   : 2022-03-17 18:05 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
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       | WHA8m wrote:
       | I'm with Zotero for about 2 weeks and I'm very much in love with
       | it. I use it mainly to store and categorize downloaded Websites
       | (SingelFile) and PDFs.
       | 
       | While a PDF viewer (and every functionality that comes with it)
       | is greatly appreciated, I'd wish for same for html and other
       | formats. That'd be overkill :)
       | 
       | One thing that I really miss and actual slows my process, is a
       | proper tag-system. Something like Anki has: being able to make
       | tag hierarchies by higher-tag::lower-tag. I'm a heavy tag-user
       | and the overall experience with tags in Zotero is very average.
       | But maybe I'm using this application for stuff that's not
       | intended for.
       | 
       | Overall great project and surely something I'll donate a few
       | bucks to the next time I'm on that spree. You guys doing gods
       | work. Love it!
        
         | kkfx wrote:
         | I suggest to store them on de-duplicated filesystem or manually
         | run fdupes and co to hardlink any duplicate in your Zotero lib
         | because most modern websites are full of big js and zotero copy
         | them countless of time, if you have a non marginal set of
         | mirrored pages you probably waste more than 60% of occupied
         | storage just in duplicates...
        
       | unixhero wrote:
       | Anybody use this for business or consulting? I finished my thesis
       | a long time ago.
        
         | ska wrote:
         | I've used it for a bunch of things in multiple companies, and
         | as a consultant.
         | 
         | On the other hand, my post-academic career has been still
         | pretty reasearch-y at times, so I read papers.
         | 
         | But I've used it to organize/track datasheets, whitepapers,
         | resumes, consulting inputs, etc.
        
       | titlefixer wrote:
        
       | aDfbrtVt wrote:
       | The notes functionality along with the new iOS beta is amazing.
       | Makes marking up papers on an iPad very convenient. I would
       | encourage every who uses Zotero to sign up for a paid storage
       | plan to help support development.
        
       | synergy20 wrote:
       | tried to do pdf annotation on linux, failed to figure out how PDF
       | can be attached/added/opened with zotero.
        
       | jimmygrapes wrote:
       | I cannot tell from the changelog for this or the previous version
       | whether Zotero has expanded its metadata and formatting
       | capabilities to better support legal citations, so I guess I will
       | stick to the Jurism[0] fork for now. If anybody knows of a better
       | way to make this work in Zotero directly, I'm all ears.
       | 
       | [0]: https://juris-m.github.io/
        
         | zwayhowder wrote:
         | I have an extensive academic citation collection in multiple
         | languages, Juris M is way better for my needs.
         | 
         | I love the fact that open source software allows this but
         | sometimes I really wish they'd just incorporate the two.
        
         | Quanttek wrote:
         | It'd be so fantastic if the Zotero team could consider
         | integrating their changes. I know that many probably won't
         | necessarily need its advanced futures, but I see no risk of
         | confusion as it's easy to use and mostly hidden in the "case"
         | category.
        
       | tedyoung wrote:
       | OMG, I've been waiting for an iOS app for Zotero for so long.
       | Yay!
        
       | jrochkind1 wrote:
       | As someone who writes web apps used by academics... I find it
       | really hard to find documentationon on how to make my web
       | site/app work well with zotero! They seem so used to more-or-less
       | adversarial web development, that when we're like "We want to
       | make this work as well as possible with zotero, like I'm going to
       | spend development time doing that, can you give me some clear
       | docs on my options?" -- I have trouble finding it. Like how can I
       | make sure zotero can properly find an attached PDF, or citation
       | info (including for list pages with multiple things cited) or
       | whatever. Without requiring a custom zotero connector for my
       | (tiny) site, how do I make my site just work? Many of my users
       | definitely use zotero.
        
         | dstillman wrote:
         | https://www.zotero.org/support/dev/exposing_metadata
         | 
         | (Disclosure: Zotero dev)
        
       | worg wrote:
       | Does anyone have some good learning resources for Zotero?
        
       | jszymborski wrote:
       | Truly amazing! I wonder if the iOS app in development will have
       | all these note-taking features and work on iPad. If so, Zotero
       | completely blows all of the competition out of the water at a
       | price you can't really beat.
        
         | epiecs wrote:
         | It does. It even has webdav sync for the past few months. Just
         | subscribe to their testflight app and you can test the beta
         | right now :)
        
       | Freak_NL wrote:
       | Not just for scholarly reference management: Zotero is a great
       | tool to keep track of the books you have if your personal library
       | exceeds one or two Billies in volume. For books printed after
       | 1970 the ISBN alone is enough to have it fetch the most relevant
       | metadata for any book published anywhere from online catalogues.
       | I find Zotero particularly useful when going to a book-fair; it
       | is easy to export a list of titles and authors of books you own
       | so you can easily reference it to see which books from a
       | particular author or series you already have.
        
         | exhilaration wrote:
         | _one or two Billies in volume_
         | 
         | Possibly the most universal of all units of measurements. For
         | the uninitiated: https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/billy-bookcase-
         | white-00263850/
        
           | cholmon wrote:
           | I've never heard "billy" used like this before now, thanks
           | for the clarification.
        
             | exhilaration wrote:
             | It transcends nation, culture, and language. _In the
             | future, we will measure the distance between the stars in
             | billies._
        
       | account-5 wrote:
       | I love zotero. Amazing software, indispensable. Want an easy way
       | to integrate with pandoc and Zim-Wiki, I'm sure there's a way but
       | I've not found it yet.
       | 
       | Either way this software is massively underrated.
       | 
       | EDIT
       | 
       | What's with the official iOS app and no Android?
        
         | criddell wrote:
         | > no Android?
         | 
         | iOS is probably their most important platform. If there are
         | enough users, I'd guess Android and Mobian apps will be
         | forthcoming.
        
       | heurisko wrote:
       | I used Zotero for its bibtex output. It worked really well.
        
       | prepend wrote:
       | I love zotero, and this isn't the web product, but I really wish
       | I could share a link to a bibliography to someone. I have to
       | export and send the text. I'd like to be able to share my Foo
       | citation library with a colleague without making my whole account
       | public.
       | 
       | Would also be great for systematic reviews.
        
         | ska wrote:
         | Couldn't you do that with a group library?
        
       | oofbey wrote:
       | Anybody using this know if it works well for iPad + pencil for
       | scribbling notes on published research papers?
        
         | aDfbrtVt wrote:
         | The Apple Pencil support is still pretty rough, but it's been
         | getting better every update version. I've been using it for the
         | last couple of months.
        
         | mbreese wrote:
         | I haven't used their new iOS app, but it's a welcome addition.
         | In the past you had to sync your Zotero library with another
         | app for PDF annotation that was synced (papership). It was
         | never something I'd call robust or seamless and the papership
         | app has felt like abandonware.
         | 
         | I'm looking forward to trying the new app today.
        
         | xattt wrote:
         | The iOS app doesn't come up as the first result in the App
         | Store. Not sure if it's because Zotero isn't popular enough
         | yet.
         | 
         | Regardless, here is the direct link:
         | https://apps.apple.com/us/app/zotero/id1513554812
        
       | bsmith89 wrote:
       | I just tested the PDF reader out for about 5 minutes and I can
       | already say it's substantially better for me on MacOS than any
       | other PDF reader besides Preview. No glitching like Acrobat and
       | the annotations features are more inline with what I want than
       | Preview's are.
       | 
       | Very excited about this.
        
         | asleepawake wrote:
         | i agree it's great. some minor ux issues. for example if i
         | select text then click highlight it should highlight the
         | selected text. keyboard shortcuts for annotation would be
         | amazing.
        
       | MisterBiggs wrote:
       | After messing with the desktop version for a few minutes the note
       | editor is weird. It doesn't modify the original pdf or the copy
       | of the pdf it makes, the only way to get the highlights is to
       | export it as a pdf. I expected something similar to Okular where
       | edits would happen to the original file and update on ctrl-s.
       | 
       | Other than that the editor is very well done!
        
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       | pdevr wrote:
       | Looks good, from whatever I have seen and read. I am going to
       | give this a try.
       | 
       | A question to those who have used Zotero: Can I opt to store
       | everything on the local device and have zero data transferred to
       | the server? Is there any kind of control over what is stored
       | locally and what is sent to the servers?
        
         | dragonstyle wrote:
         | My recollection is that it is all local by default. If you
         | don't specifically connect to their web service for syncing
         | data, none of the data is stored outside your local device.
        
         | hwbehrens wrote:
         | By default, you can use Zotero without logging in, which will
         | cause it to keep everything locally. It's not obvious how you
         | might go about partially syncing to the cloud, however.
         | 
         | In practice, though you shouldn't store the SQLite in a cloud
         | sync service, setting up a symbolic link for the backing PDFs
         | in e.g. Dropbox works quite well and gives you more control
         | over your data syncing. Then, you only need to rely on their
         | cloud for the paper titles and metadata.
        
       | tomrod wrote:
       | Easily one of my favorite software solutions.
       | 
       | I've tried EndNote. It's awful. Zotero is awesome!
        
       | behnamoh wrote:
       | Duplicate
        
       | liketochill wrote:
       | I'm still using qiqqa for my open source pdf search engine but
       | the qiqqa team has moved on. Qiqqa has been a secret weapon for
       | me in pulling up relevant paragraphs from research papers,
       | ebooks, and standards that I have previously saved but not fully
       | read.
        
         | jcuenod wrote:
         | I made my own (specifically for my Zotero pdf library):
         | https://github.com/search?q=user%3Ajcuenod+pdf
         | 
         | https://jcuenod.github.io/bibletech/2021/07/26/full-text-sea...
        
       | Tenoke wrote:
       | I recently found my mendeley app doesn't work anymore (they've
       | discontinued it) so I decided to try Zotero. To my surprise they
       | have 3 Android apps.. none of which work and a bookmarklet which
       | also doesn't work. Has anyone found a way to easily save papers
       | on Android?
        
         | fcheslack wrote:
         | You can save urls or identifiers to your library from
         | https://www.zotero.org/save or using the magic wand icon in
         | your web library.
         | 
         | We just stopped linking to the bookmarklet on the download
         | page. Unfortunately browsers no longer support them well if at
         | all.
         | 
         | There is an open job post for an Android developer, but none of
         | the existing Android apps are first party.
         | 
         | (Disclosure: Zotero dev)
        
       | jabl wrote:
       | Is it still based on the XUL platform?
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | hoistbypetard wrote:
         | The Linux tarball still looks like XULRunner to me.
        
       | bluenose69 wrote:
       | I've been using this in beta for quite a while. The PDF reader is
       | really very good, and I love the fact that my highlights and
       | notes are not added to the actual PDF file. (I don't want to mess
       | up the original PDF file, because I like to keep those files in
       | pristine form so that e.g. I can share them with students.)
       | 
       | Some people here are asking about paying for storage for the
       | PDFs. My solution to this is to store my PDFs using Dropbox, and
       | to use _links_ in Zotero. That way, even if I give up on Zotero,
       | I still have the files. And I already pay for Dropbox, and just
       | don 't want one more bill to pay.
       | 
       | And, woohoo, an iOS app! That's very sweet.
        
         | ska wrote:
         | If you sync your library to at least one device, you'll still
         | have all the files anyway if you stop paying - you just won't
         | be able to sync them anymore. The metadata will all still by
         | synced.
         | 
         | The dropbox/onedrive/etc. approach works, but honestly I find
         | it easier to share files from a group library (they don't need
         | a paid account) and keeps structure etc. there also....
        
         | lhoff wrote:
         | Zotero also offers out it the box WebDAV Support for file sync.
         | I use that to sync files using my Nextcloud. Once it is set up,
         | everything works behind the scenes.
         | 
         | https://www.zotero.org/support/sync
        
         | jcuenod wrote:
         | My solution to your dropbox trick has been:
         | https://jcuenod.github.io/bibletech/2020/06/14/zotero-github...
        
       | SubiculumCode wrote:
       | Consider supporting Zotero through a subscription for their
       | online storage.
        
       | rockmemozart wrote:
       | The only thing holding me back from using Zotero is that, afaik,
       | you need to use a Zotero account to reliably sync metadata
       | between devices (the Zotero Data Server isn't supported). I wish
       | it was easier to self-host; there's no reason for me to interact
       | with their servers.
       | 
       | It's always a disappointment to find otherwise great open source
       | projects that have key components that deny privacy.
        
         | jancsika wrote:
         | Can you export/import the data to/from devices?
        
         | lamontcg wrote:
         | I sync the data with syncthing, seems to work fine.
        
         | sva_ wrote:
         | Hint: You can sync the library for free by making an account.
         | You need the "Zotero Storage" only if you want to sync the
         | files as well. However, you can simply sync the folder
         | ~/Zotero/storage using SyncThing. You could also use WebDAV,
         | but SyncThing is just so much easier (set up & forget). The
         | IDs/Metadata is consistent among syncs. :)
         | 
         | Of course, that doesn't resolve the privacy concerns, but
         | personally idc about that.
         | 
         | edit: It seems like you might be able to sync everything by
         | just putting ~/Zotero/ into something like SyncThing, avoiding
         | the Zotero servers. But you'd probably have to be careful only
         | opening the app after syncing has been completed. I haven't
         | tested this though.
        
           | d110af5ccf wrote:
           | This is completely missing the point of GP. You can't (unless
           | something has changed) sync metadata without using their
           | servers. webdav is for the data, not the metadata. If you
           | don't personally care about privacy, fine, but that's
           | irrelevant here.
           | 
           | Replicating the local Zotero folder across devices won't
           | properly sync the metadata in the face of concurrent changes.
           | 
           | If I didn't care about privacy and freedom I would have just
           | used a proprietary product to begin with. It's an incredibly
           | disappointing situation to have dragged on like this for so
           | many years.
           | 
           | Edit: Looks like nothing has changed.
           | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29774935
        
           | epiecs wrote:
           | If you have a synology nas you can also easily install the
           | webdav server and use that :)
        
         | SubiculumCode wrote:
         | Yes, I wish they supported the server instance. Still, I don't
         | mind subscribing to their syncing because it is probably the
         | project's main source of revenue; although I am not for certain
         | about that.
        
         | _hzw wrote:
         | Zotero supports WebDAV and I was using it with box.com without
         | any troubles for years. What lured me to switch to Zotero's
         | sync and cloud storage in the end, though, is the group library
         | function.
        
       | thentherewere2 wrote:
       | As a current Mendeley user, any thoughts on what I should expect
       | if I want to start using Zotero?
        
       | hoistbypetard wrote:
       | Wow. I opened the Linux tarball and had a look around... what a
       | blast from the past. It looks like this is built on XULRunner and
       | friends. I had the impression that platform had slipped into such
       | disrepair that it was no longer practical to ship products based
       | on it.
       | 
       | It looks tremendously useful, though. If it had been around when
       | I was in school, I suspect I'd have found it indispensable.
        
       | mijoharas wrote:
       | Is anyone else getting horrible stuttering when scrolling that
       | page? (I happen to be on mobile with a bad connection right now,
       | but it's so bad it makes the page almost unreadable)
        
         | WHA8m wrote:
         | I've been visiting said website on my iOS and hadn't had any
         | issues. Maybe re-check your side on some problem
        
       | hs86 wrote:
       | How good is Zotero as a bookmark manager similar to Pinboard.in
       | or Raindrop.io? Both have a paid feature that stores a permanent
       | copy of a site, but these are stored only on their servers, and
       | Pinboard's archive download feature never worked for me.
        
         | btrettel wrote:
         | I've used Zotero for over a decade to save webpages. It works
         | fine in my experience, though I'd prefer if Zotero saved all
         | the assets in a single file.
        
         | cxr wrote:
         | Zotero uses SingleFile. (Side note, this is, as far as I know,
         | a destructive process--you can't recover the original bits. It
         | would be interesting if Zotero switched to SingleFileZ and
         | there were a sidecar file embedded in the ZIP container that
         | would let you reverse the transformations to get the originals
         | back out--or just store them directly.)
         | 
         | Zotero's snapshots work well enough on most pages you'd care to
         | throw at it in an academic context. Your mileage may vary if
         | you're using it as a general bookmarks manager, owing to the
         | amount of client-side scripting-driven chicanery on the Web
         | today. Notable example that I've found that Zotero didn't
         | handle well at one point: Medium (although the data was there--
         | the saved copy just wouldn't render correctly in-browser when
         | opened; this doesn't appear to be an issue anymore for new
         | snapshots, at least for now).
         | 
         | For most stuff that I want to have a durable URL for but that I
         | feel doesn't merit being in my Zotero library, I just use
         | ordinary browser bookmarks and make sure that the Wayback
         | Machine and/or archive.is has a copy.
         | 
         | HN is also fond of Wallabag and ArchiveBox:
         | 
         | -
         | https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
         | 
         | -
         | https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...
        
       | ulnarkressty wrote:
       | Anybody have any tips on self-hosted Zotero? Org doesn't like the
       | metadata syncing. Other option would be Mendeley Enterprise which
       | is supposedly more secure but not a great experience overall.
        
         | sva_ wrote:
         | Not self hosted, but see my comment
         | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30714926
         | 
         | Then you may use the Better BibTeX plugin to get your library
         | into Org.
        
       | mikepurvis wrote:
       | If I still was doing firmware dev, I could imagine this being
       | amazing for dealing with datasheets, especially when shuffling
       | between multiple parts all with their own descriptions of
       | intended functionality, errata, and so-on.
        
       | punnerud wrote:
       | Zotero is hiring (16 days ago here on HN):
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=dstillman
        
       | noodlesUK wrote:
       | Zotero is one of those pieces of open source software that has
       | really improved my life. I first discovered it as a teenager and
       | it revolutionised writing papers and managing sources. Sadly I
       | don't find myself using it that much in my job.
       | 
       | I always got a kick out of introducing it to my friends in the
       | humanities and blowing their minds. I have no idea how anyone
       | writes papers without zotero or another similar tool. Keep up the
       | good work.
        
         | BolexNOLA wrote:
         | Honestly I haven't thought about it since undergrad (history
         | major), I didn't realize it was still kicking. I might have to
         | fire it back up!
        
           | asdff wrote:
           | You can even use it as a general knowledge repository since
           | you can save anything on zotero pretty much, not just journal
           | articles.
        
             | jrochkind1 wrote:
             | Mostly just PDFs? Or are there good ways to save non-PDF
             | content?
        
               | jarvist wrote:
               | The web plugin actually falls back to 'web page with
               | snapshot' if it can't detect a journal paper, which in
               | many ways is better than trying to drag around big PDF
               | binaries.
        
               | jrochkind1 wrote:
               | Thanks! I've used zotero only minimally, mostly to
               | support users of my software who use zotero, rather than
               | using it myself for my own purposes.
               | 
               | Is the "web plugin" something built into zotero, or an
               | extra plugin to install? Calling it "plugin" makes it
               | sound like something extra to install, but not finding it
               | easily googling. Help me out?
        
               | lhoff wrote:
               | I think OP talks about the Zotero Connector Browser
               | Plugin. So its not a plugin for zotero but your browser
               | (Firefox, Chrome, Safari and Edge are supported) The
               | plugin ads a button to the Browser where you can add the
               | currently viewed page to your database. It even tries to
               | detect references to papers or other content and choose
               | the matching entry type. Eg on Google Scholar you can
               | choose which search result you want to add. It its a PDF
               | the file gets saved to your zotero database.
               | 
               | All in all very handy.
        
         | jjoonathan wrote:
         | Agreed.
         | 
         | What really blows my mind is how many of my academically
         | inclined friends manage (and cloud sync) a big library of
         | pirated papers using a rival piece of software owned by a major
         | rights holder of said pirated papers. I mean... there's a good
         | chance nothing will come of it, but it just seems like tempting
         | fate. Zotero isn't just good enough, it's so good that the
         | choice is completely trivial IMO!
         | 
         | Thanks, Zotero :)
        
           | SubiculumCode wrote:
           | I've converted all my colleagues to Zotero, even though the
           | University has contracted subscriptions to EndNote et al.
           | Zotero is just better. I wish that the UC System would
           | contract with Zotero for their mutual benefit.
        
             | jessriedel wrote:
             | There's no sales team at Zotero to interface with the UC
             | behemoth...
        
       | sam537 wrote:
       | This just made my day.
        
       | jart wrote:
       | I love the name. As soon as I saw this link at the top of HN, the
       | Totoro theme started playing in my head.
       | https://youtu.be/p1KVuFStqEM
        
       | 999900000999 wrote:
       | Any OCR support?
       | 
       | I literally pay 20$ a month to fill out PDFs
        
         | computer23 wrote:
         | Checkout the ocrmypdf project:
         | 
         | https://ocrmypdf.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html
        
           | 999900000999 wrote:
           | Thank you for sharing this awesome project!
           | 
           | I'm probably stuck using Adobe for now, just because for
           | anything really important you can't rely on anything aside
           | from the official Adobe PDF editor to not screw things up.
           | Up. But I absolutely love your project, I can imagine this
           | would work great for academics.
           | 
           | You can automate much of your research between machine
           | learning and directly reading PDFs. Many older publications
           | don't have searchable text at all, and searchable text is a
           | lifesaver when you're doing research.
        
           | jcuenod wrote:
           | +1
        
         | ska wrote:
         | Do you mean for searchability? There is an indexing tool built
         | in, IIRC built from xpdf tooling.
        
       | TheCabin wrote:
       | I used Zotero quite a bit in the past, the thing that ultimately
       | drove me away is that when synchronizing you couldn't easily
       | access the PDFs just via the filesystem. I use a nextcloud and
       | also wanted to access PDFs from devices without Zotero installed
       | and this turned out to be a pain at the time. Is this possible
       | with more recent Zotero versions? Is the sync still cumbersome
       | with a zotero account + self-hosted webdav?
        
         | _aavaa_ wrote:
         | I have a similar setup (Zotero + dropbox). Zotero syncs the
         | entries and any notes, but dropbox takes care of the pdf
         | storage. You can swap out dropbox for your storage of choice.
         | 
         | I use zotfile (http://zotfile.com) to handle this.
         | 
         | Files are all stored in a single folder (which can be in
         | different locations depending on computer) which I point
         | zotfile to. Inside that each paper is put into a folder based
         | on author names. And each pdf is then renamed based on authors,
         | year, and title.
         | 
         | All of the above is customizable and automated.
        
           | kristjansson wrote:
           | I can't recommend ZotFile enough. It, along with Zotero, have
           | basically solved cross-platform cross-device reading and
           | reference management for me.
        
           | jcuenod wrote:
           | Another +1 for Zotfile, but Z6 looks like it bakes in some of
           | zotfile's features.
        
         | AlanYx wrote:
         | There is a plugin called Zotfile that makes this easier.
         | 
         | But in some ways Zotero 6 makes filesystem workflows more
         | complicated, in that PDF annotations don't get stored as actual
         | annotations in the PDFs.
        
           | asdff wrote:
           | You don't have to use their system, you can just use your
           | standard pdf viewer too.
        
         | iamcreasy wrote:
         | You can still access the pdf file via the file system by right
         | clicking on the item and 'show file'. The files names may not
         | be user friendly though.
        
           | ska wrote:
           | There is handy functionality to rename pdf files based on
           | parent metadata. I think you can set this up to be done
           | automatically on import too.
           | 
           | This is great to have consistent filenames from lots of
           | different sources. Of course if the metadata is wrong or
           | missing, it won't help.
        
           | dynamic_sausage wrote:
           | zotfile plugin, mentioned above in this thread, makes file
           | names user friendly.
        
       | bachmeier wrote:
       | This looks really nice. Zotero has never stuck with me for some
       | reason but I last used it a few years ago. I'll try again.
       | 
       | One problem with this type of service is that there's usually a
       | huge jump from unpaid to paid, but the jump to the lowest paid
       | tier of Zotero lets you pay $20/year for 2 GB of storage. I can
       | handle that. I have more difficulty with the $15/month and
       | $90/year and such paid tiers. Even at $20/year, that comes to
       | $100 after five years for what is largely a donation to support
       | development.
        
         | ska wrote:
         | One probably non-obvious thing is that the $100/yr ish
         | unlimited storage tier includes everything you do as a user
         | _including shared libraries_.
         | 
         | So if you have a group of people working together in a group
         | library, one shared library subscription covers all of them. It
         | doesn't take many people to make this worthwhile.
         | 
         | And as you say, it's a good way to support a great project. I
         | do it even when I'm not really using the software.
        
           | bachmeier wrote:
           | > I do it even when I'm not really using the software.
           | 
           | I'll drop a one-time donation of $10 or $18 or something
           | largely independent of my use - or even if I don't use it at
           | all. I don't treat it as a purchase, though I can understand
           | that others do.
        
         | folli wrote:
         | >...comes to $100 ... for what is largely a donation to support
         | development.
         | 
         | That's not that bad for a useful product, is it?
        
           | bachmeier wrote:
           | No, but I'm saying it's enough. The $90/year service comes to
           | $450 over five years, and that's definitely too much.
        
         | greenicon wrote:
         | You can use just the metadata sync by them and sync the actual
         | files with e.g. webdav or syncthing or whatever. That way it's
         | free.
        
           | bachmeier wrote:
           | If I use it, I'll pay them. I can use the savings from all
           | the VC-subsidized software I don't have to pay for.
        
       | Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote:
       | I've been using this for years. Zotero is great. It's not
       | perfect, like you still need add-ons to properly support bibtex
       | for latex users, like myself. It would be alot better if this was
       | a fully integrated part of the base zotero platform. But it works
       | and I like it.
        
       | layer8 wrote:
       | I see there's an iOS app in beta. Will that require using Zotero
       | Storage, or will there be integration with Files, or directly
       | with other storage providers (Dropbox etc.)?
        
       | ricksunny wrote:
       | I hoped they've fixed Google Docs stability (deactivating GDocs'
       | Work Offline is supposed to help with this, we'll see..) as well
       | as reducing the time for a bibliography update when the number of
       | citations is over 100 - it's currently taking 20+ seconds
       | (happening in the background as I write)
        
         | ricksunny wrote:
         | And even still encountering the dreaded "these citations have
         | become unlinked from Zotero" - this is the equivalent of the
         | blue-screen-of-death for OS's . . . maybe Zotero should focus
         | on improving this stability rather than new feature build-out
         | and I would be come a paying customer/member?
        
       | murphyslab wrote:
       | The annotation features will definitely help Zotero to keep
       | relevant, but Zotero still desperately needs a better option for
       | saving websites. The ability to save sites, via browser
       | extension, as a single file (MHTML or even HTML-only) has been an
       | open request since 2007.
       | 
       | - https://forums.zotero.org/discussion/919/ (2007)
       | 
       | - https://forums.zotero.org/discussion/33516/ (2013)
       | 
       | - https://forums.zotero.org/discussion/68378/ (2017)
        
         | dstillman wrote:
         | Zotero has saved webpage snapshots as single HTML files since
         | November 2020. We're using SingleFile under the hood.
         | 
         | (Disclosure: Zotero dev)
        
           | murphyslab wrote:
           | I'd been watching the changelogs for it intermittently and
           | never caught it. Guessing that this is you:
           | https://forums.zotero.org/discussion/85306/available-for-
           | bet...
           | 
           | My apologies for the erroneous comment and massive THANKS!
           | for adding that feature.
        
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