[HN Gopher] Jailed baby gene scientist 'should be made responsib...
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Jailed baby gene scientist 'should be made responsible' for the
children
Author : acqbu
Score : 35 points
Date : 2022-03-19 21:25 UTC (1 hours ago)
(HTM) web link (www.thetimes.co.uk)
(TXT) w3m dump (www.thetimes.co.uk)
| fabian2k wrote:
| Informing the children about the experiment is the very least
| they should do. And I think 18 is a bit too late, I probably
| would do it a bit earlier than that. Anything after that has to
| be their own choice, like it is for everyone else.
|
| This was just a completely reckless and unethical experiment, I
| hope it didn't cause serious damage to those kids.
| encryptluks2 wrote:
| I mean this is messed up, but I've seen a lot more widespread
| abuse in the medical field that doctors and governments
| supported. Just look at what happened to Rosemary Kennedy. Where
| was the justice for children lobotomized? Or those used in
| government research?
| danuker wrote:
| Stuff of nightmares.
| radicaldreamer wrote:
| Not only in the past either, there are ongoing scams where
| elders are being preyed upon to inject stem cells into various
| organs (including where they end up blind etc.)
|
| They are entered into bogus "trails" as legal protection for
| these "doctors" and the clinic.
| doctorhandshake wrote:
| Big if true. Link?
| elliekelly wrote:
| That other medical atrocities have happened and gone unpunished
| doesn't make this one acceptable.
| acqbu wrote:
| http://archive.today/2LOd5
| jdrc wrote:
| Better to just monitor the kids for side effects of ccr5
| deactivation . By the time they grow up gene editing will be
| common place so i dont think that s something to worry about.
| The_rationalist wrote:
| The martyrs of the future are often the demons of their time
| elliekelly wrote:
| Conducting experiments on people without consent does not a
| martyr make.
| bpodgursky wrote:
| Preserving the status quo doesn't make you a hero either.
|
| HIV resistance is optional, sure. What about conceiving a
| child with sickle cell anemia? Why is that more ethical than
| trying to give a child a healthier life?
|
| We do a lot of medical treatments on children without their
| consent. There are now (experimental!) open-heart surgeries
| of children in the womb. Is that unacceptable too?
| krisoft wrote:
| I'm not sure what you are arguing about. There is a process
| to decide if a medical procedure is ethical or not. It
| involves an ethics board where people who know much more
| about both ethics and the proposed procedure than the
| average HN commenter make a decision. If you feel this
| process did come up with bad decisions please elaborate.
| But the researcher in question didn't bother to get a
| decision, just falsified one for himself. That doesn't
| sound right, really.
| HideousKojima wrote:
| >What about conceiving a child with sickle cell anemia?
|
| You mean one with heightened malaria resistance?
| gleenn wrote:
| Pretty wild, especially also the implications of the children
| having their own children and passing the mutated genes. I wonder
| also why there is a deactivated gene that prevents HIV
| infection... did we have this ability for a long time but it fell
| out of use and was selected off?
| donkarma wrote:
| HIV is a pretty recent disease and the gene that was
| deactivated serves a useful purpose against West Nile
| zdragnar wrote:
| I doubt that this gene "only" prevents HIV infection. The
| unintended consequences of activating that gene could be very
| diverse, and not fully expressed in any one child. Most
| adaptations have trade-offs, some quite severe (sickle cell
| anemia protecting against malaria, as an example).
| PragmaticPulp wrote:
| > I wonder also why there is a deactivated gene that prevents
| HIV infection... did we have this ability for a long time but
| it fell out of use and was selected off?
|
| It's a gene for a specific receptor that has certain other
| functions in the body. Certain strains of HIV just happen to
| use this receptor for viral entry, but it has other functions
| in the body.
|
| The specific CCR5 mutation has positive effects for resistance
| to certain HIV strains but actually worsens resistance to
| certain other diseases. There's also a big question of how
| specific and accurate his editing actually was, of course.
| verisimi wrote:
| crummy wrote:
| The link says no? Do you have a reliable source that says
| Pfizer's vaccine uses CRISPR?
| bnjemian wrote:
| The comment above by verisimi was factually incorrect. The
| Pfizer vaccine contains MRNA. MRNAs are short-lived nucleic
| acids (not DNA) that exert their function in the cytoplasm of
| the cell (not nucleus, where DNA lives and Cas9 exerts its'
| action) and are used to translate proteins. The proteins
| coded for by the MRNA sequences in vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna)
| code for the S1 spike protein, which occurs on the surface of
| the SARS-CoV-2. After their translation, these proteins are
| then recognized as foreign by the immune system of the host
| (i.e. person), leading to an immune response. There is no
| Cas9 enzyme in MRNA vaccines.
| SirGiggles wrote:
| TL;DR: The grandparent's source is a load of horseshit, and
| it seems evident an agenda is being pushed.
|
| The grandparent's source came from a person going by Manul
| Ashwadka [1]. I've added their comment in specific and as we
| can also see from the link that Manul's sources are from his
| own posted studies [2] (a guess based on the published
| initials on Zenodo) which from what I can gather is not peer
| reviewed.
|
| Further more, in an attempt to find out more about the author
| of the paper, the link to his/her/their blog as found on a
| hyperlink from Zenodo leading to ORCiD results in the
| following (now defunct) webpage: https://fight-against-gates-
| new-world-order.mozello.com/blog... [3].
|
| With this avenue blocked, any publicly information we can
| find about Manul Ashwadka (whom I suspect is the same as
| M.A.) is their posts on Quora which essentially devolve into
| accusing Quora of censoring posts for disagreeing with the
| Biden administration, justifying the Russian Federation
| invasion of Ukraine, blaming Dr. Fauci for creating the
| pandemic, blaming the US for a variety of things, etc...
|
| [1] https://qr.ae/pGLEdZ (a shortened URL leading to Quora)
|
| [2] https://zenodo.org/record/6210570#.YiJnV5XhRPz
|
| [3] https://orcid.org/0000-0003-0048-882X
| [deleted]
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