[HN Gopher] Portrait vs. Landscape - more than meets the eye
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       Portrait vs. Landscape - more than meets the eye
        
       Author : herodotus
       Score  : 24 points
       Date   : 2022-03-20 14:34 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | jalk wrote:
       | I always thought that cinema chose a wide format to suit our
       | field of vision which is wider than it is tall. TV simply adopted
       | that
        
         | Jaruzel wrote:
         | Originally, cinema was square-ish, then TVs came along, and
         | cinema needed to be 'better' to get people back into theatres,
         | so they went wide, and then wider, and then cinemascope-wide.
        
         | parenthesis wrote:
         | Early talkies mostly used the Academy ratio which is not very
         | wide.
         | 
         | The introduction of television encouraged the movies to go
         | colour as standard.
         | 
         | The introduction of colour tv encouraged the movies to go
         | widescreen as standard.
         | 
         | I wish films and television dramas would still consider the
         | Academy ratio (or 4:3) (and black and white!). I see many
         | productions that I don't think really use widescreen
         | effectively. In any case, different ratios suit different
         | material.
        
           | parenthesis wrote:
           | Oh, and I wish someone would sell widescreen televisions with
           | built-in curtains that automatically move according to the
           | ratio.
           | 
           | And please stop chopping bits off old tv shows to 'make them
           | widescreen'. It was awful seeing pan-and-scanned movies on tv
           | in the old days, please don't do the same thing in reverse.
        
       | Zak wrote:
       | The author seems to be advocating the photographic composition
       | technique of filling most of the frame with the primary subject
       | without discussing photographic composition in general. This is a
       | standard approach for _portraits_ , which are typically of humans
       | posed in a sitting or standing position such that they're taller
       | than they are wide. The term "portrait orientation" comes from
       | this fact and indeed, the author's example of the Mona Lisa is a
       | portrait.
       | 
       | It's no surprise that humans are more interested in portraits of
       | humans than images of most anything else; we're a social species.
       | A Google image search for "most famous photograph" also returned
       | a portrait as the first result: Afghan Girl. Interestingly the
       | first result for "most famous painting" is a squarish landscape:
       | Starry Night. (Standard disclaimer about this not being a
       | scientific method goes here)
       | 
       | Ultimately, I don't think the author has done his homework here
       | because he doesn't address elements of photographic composition
       | beyond "fill the frame" even to dismiss them. I also disagree
       | with his claim that "nowadays we're surrounded by rigid landscape
       | screens". Laptop PCs have those, but phones and tablets can be
       | freely rotated and are most commonly used in a portrait
       | orientation. Rotating mounts for desktop displays are very
       | common, though it's rare I see anyone else's in anything but
       | landscape.
        
       | mkaic wrote:
       | Portrait vs. Landscape has always been an interesting debate to
       | me, especially in the context of _filmmaking_ , a space where,
       | until the advent of TikTok, basically everyone scoffed at the
       | idea of _cinema_ being vertical -- because, well, physical cinema
       | screens are landscape! But cinema screens are no longer the
       | dominant place people go for movie entertainment -- they watch
       | instead on their smartphones, where they can choose either
       | orientation as they please. This has led to the dawn of vertical
       | cinema, something I find very exciting. I don 't know if there
       | will ever be vertical movie theaters (I personally doubt it), but
       | that doesn't mean that there can't be vertical movies that are
       | ever bit as artistically valid and "sophisticated" as their
       | horizontal counterparts!
       | 
       | I've noticed quite a bit of gatekeeping around this topic in
       | filmmaking circles -- people love to act as though horizontal is
       | an innately superior format somehow, and that vertical is only
       | suitable for childish, amateur productions. I think that's a
       | rather myopic take though that doesn't consider the many factors
       | that go into a cinematic viewing experience!
        
       | antiterra wrote:
       | Plenty of medium format cameras used square shaped areas of film
       | negative and you were meant to adjust the aspect by cropping.
       | Often the viewfinder would provide guides for both orientations.
       | 
       | Calling a more vertical representation 'portrait mode' when
       | speaking of stone tablets or bibles is a bit ridiculous. Also
       | ridiculous is the casual hand waving survey of historic mediums
       | and deciding that 'portrait mode' reigned large. There are
       | scrolls, frescos, cave paintings, woven works and more that are
       | wider than they are tall. Further, convoluting what is
       | comfortable to look at with full detail for reading versus what
       | replicates the human field of vision is as contrived as the smug
       | reference of anyone who does otherwise as a 'newbie.'
       | 
       | A portrait mode image is a decision, and it should be a decision
       | made with intent. It is both a technical and artistic choice and
       | if a 'newbie' decides to only shoot landscape, they aren't
       | somehow disappointingly restricted.
       | 
       | Also, if you want to landscape the Mona Lisa, you'd do better to
       | add to the width than to chop off the height.
        
       | mig39 wrote:
       | TikTok being predominantly portrait-mode is definitely changing
       | the tide for video. And having vertical phones means a majority
       | of casual phone photos are probably portrait these days.
        
         | ProfessorLayton wrote:
         | I'm hoping that this all converges into video not having an
         | "orientation". Currently there's a lot of good technical
         | reasons behind this, but as far as the viewer is concerned,
         | they're not always able to watch videos that suit their viewing
         | preference, and authors have to pick beforehand.
         | 
         | Videos have been an unnecessarily rigid experience for some
         | reason. For example, one can't typically watch a video while
         | zoomed in and pan around the same way one can to when viewing
         | photos... Because reasons?
        
         | mkaic wrote:
         | Agreed. I think portrait as a format opens up some cool
         | compositional ideas, too, especially when trying to convey a
         | sense of distance in city areas with lots of converging
         | parallel lines.
        
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