[HN Gopher] Daily coffee may benefit the heart
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Daily coffee may benefit the heart
Author : geox
Score : 27 points
Date : 2022-03-24 20:54 UTC (2 hours ago)
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| nojs wrote:
| It's always interesting to reverse the direction of causality in
| these kinds of articles and see if it's plausible. Could it
| simply be that people with heart problems drink less coffee?
| novosel wrote:
| Yes. But I always assumed causation is direction-agnostic. I
| tend to think of it as a topological structure.
| waterhouse wrote:
| Yup. Or: people who have decent jobs and are conscientious
| about them are more likely to decide to drink coffee _daily_ to
| make themselves more productive, and these traits also make
| them more likely to (a) be more conscientious about their
| health, (b) have health insurance and be more able to pay
| medical bills.
|
| I don't have numbers on this, but I have the impression that
| many people drink coffee on weekdays in order to be awake for
| their job--and they probably wouldn't make it a daily thing if
| they didn't have a job--and therefore daily coffee drinkers
| will contain a much higher proportion of people who are healthy
| enough to hold down a job.
| adwi wrote:
| > "Because coffee can quicken heart rate, some people worry that
| drinking it could trigger or worsen certain heart issues... We
| found coffee drinking had either a neutral effect--meaning that
| it did no harm--or was associated with benefits to heart health."
|
| I've often wondered this effect as it relates to widely
| prescribed prescription stimulants (ie adderrall)... is an
| artificially elevated heart rate damaging or strengthening the
| system?
| hnuser123456 wrote:
| I was on prescription stims for about 8 years. My heart rate
| was significantly higher in gym class than most, despite being
| relatively in-shape. However, I was apparently on them for so
| long that my RHR was permanently elevated. I almost never go
| below 85, over 10 years later. I doubt this was a net benefit
| for heart health.
| caleb-allen wrote:
| My totally uneducated guess would be that whatever long term
| health effects that stimulants have on heart rate are minor
| compared to other stimulant effects (like blood pressure,
| appetite changes, etc)
| AreYouSirius wrote:
| Coffeine is increasing chance of dissociation happening without
| outside stimuli, increasing likely hood of non substance
| addiction hundreds of times..... not worth risk. combined with
| most games and tv shows that are "casino like " yeah, you lose
| money long term drinking coffeee / tea. Do not forget to buy
| energy drinks to your teenagers for long term effecs, having
| affecting them sooner in their lives!
|
| More space / money / profit for non drinking people.
| iosono88 wrote:
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| kyleee wrote:
| just make sure to filter it through paper, keep french
| press/chemex/cowboy preparations as a once in a while treat
|
| and maybe don't have 5 cups a day, shoot for one nice cup, maybe
| 2 sometimes
| cnasc wrote:
| One of the defining features of a Chemex is the paper filter it
| uses
| jrussino wrote:
| Doesn't Chemex use a paper filter?
| jliptzin wrote:
| Yes. I am a huge fan of chemex coffee. I have tried a lot of
| different machines and the simple chemex always comes out on
| top.
| xupybd wrote:
| Can I ask what role the paper plays?
|
| Is it that the granules cause health problems?
| tilt_error wrote:
| The filter stops cholesterols which are abundant in coffee.
| eurasiantiger wrote:
| It doesn't block cafestol, which increases cholesterol
| synthesis.
|
| Fun fact: not all cholesterol is bad; it's only the LDL,
| while HDL is thought to be good for the heart.
| nkurz wrote:
| I don't think this is true. While it's possible that coffee
| can raise cholesterol levels, it doesn't actual contain
| any. Here's what the top result off Google for [coffee
| cholesterol] says:
|
| _Though brewed coffee does not contain actual cholesterol,
| it does have two natural oils that contain chemical
| compounds -- cafestol and kahweol -- which can raise
| cholesterol levels._
|
| https://www.webmd.com/cholesterol-management/coffee-
| choleste...
|
| So yes, filtering probably makes a difference, but not
| because it's taking out "abundant" cholesterols.
| daveidol wrote:
| What's wrong with french press?
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