[HN Gopher] When New York City Was a Wiretapper's Dream
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       When New York City Was a Wiretapper's Dream
        
       Author : bangonkeyboard
       Score  : 75 points
       Date   : 2022-03-25 18:13 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
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 (TXT) w3m dump (spectrum.ieee.org)
        
       | toyg wrote:
       | Just the other day I was watching the classic Sydney Pollack
       | thriller "The three days of the Condor", with Robert Redford, and
       | I was thinking they treated NY phone lines as extremely
       | accessible. At one point, Condor somehow gains access to an
       | exchange to make a call to his opponents, and proceeds to make
       | his line appear like coming from dozens of different addresses,
       | all with a simple tape recorder.
       | 
       | (it's also funny how in that movie Redford is supposed to be a
       | hippie ubergeek forced to turn into an action hero - when he's
       | clearly coolness personified)
        
       | tomohawk wrote:
       | It still is.
       | 
       | https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-comment-allegations...
        
       | etskinner wrote:
       | The article doesn't really explain: How does equipment + direct
       | lines to exchanges = wiretap? Were there backdoors in every
       | exchange that allowed people with the right equipment to listen
       | in on any subscriber line? If so, couldn't phreaking do the same
       | thing?
       | 
       | Also, how did they set up the direct lines all the exchanges?
        
         | greenyoda wrote:
         | As I understood it, the backdoors were the "two rogue employees
         | of the New York Telephone Company". My guess is that they
         | spliced a cable from the apartment into larger underground
         | cables that led into the affected phone exchanges, providing a
         | number of available wire pairs between the apartment and each
         | exchange. (There were probably lots of unused pairs in the
         | underground cables to allow for the addition of new phone
         | lines.) Then, when the wiretappers wanted to tap a specific
         | phone line, the phone company employees would be asked to
         | connect one of the wire pairs going into the wiretapper's
         | apartment to the victim's wire pair inside the exchange.
        
       | arciini wrote:
       | It's fascinating that the article ends with a very pessimistic
       | quote, but the implication is clear: wiretapping was immune to
       | policy solutions, but technical solutions have been far more
       | effective at solving this problem.
       | 
       | > Futility was the order of the day. "Most experts believe that
       | no matter what legislation is enacted, the unhappy outlook as of
       | now is that wiretapping is here to stay and will increase,"
       | Newsweek reported in an article on "The Busy Wiretappers" in the
       | spring of 1955. The tumultuous decade that followed proved all of
       | the predictions right.
       | 
       | Public-key encryption has brought wiretap-resistant
       | communications to the mainstream through the Internet in a way
       | that would've been basically impossible to do at scale in the
       | analog world.
        
         | matheusmoreira wrote:
         | Yeah. Laws can always be ignored or selectively enforced.
         | They're worthless paper until something actually happens, and
         | it will only happen after the fact, after people's rights have
         | been violated.
         | 
         | Technology puts a stop to all that by making it harder if not
         | impossible for them to abuse power in the first place.
        
           | echion wrote:
           | The flip side is also true: technology enables abuses of
           | power to exist faster than the laws can be enforced.
        
       | nathanyz wrote:
       | Given the timing of when this happened, I am impressed by the
       | scope and scale of it. If these were truly private individuals
       | and not related to the 3 letter agencies, then one can only
       | imagine what must take place in the world of today.
        
         | fragmede wrote:
         | Room 614A is a bit dated by this point, but hopefully gives you
         | some idea.
         | 
         | https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A
        
           | nyjah wrote:
           | Room 641A. Thank you for sharing the link/story, absolutely
           | fascinating.
           | 
           | "641A is a bit dated", has anything more recent come to
           | light?
        
       | walrus01 wrote:
       | If you want to see something really interesting, there's the
       | occasional time when you can see crews working on an open NYC
       | Verizon (former NY telephone, then NYNEX) manhole in a street
       | hauling out defunct 600 and 1200 pair copper and associated
       | splice cases...
       | 
       | Looks like this, but old and decrepit and dirty.
       | 
       | https://www.google.com/search?q=1200+pair+phone+cable&client...
        
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         | mindslight wrote:
         | Back when I was a kid, my grandfather got a hold of some many-
         | pair telephone cable. I helped him separate out the individual
         | pairs and wind them onto separate spindles. It made fantastic
         | wire for electronics (first model trains, later breadboarding),
         | given the sheer amount of color combos. I've still got a small
         | bit kicking around here and there, but now remembering it
         | fondly, I've got to wonder if it would be possible to find some
         | more.
        
       | twox2 wrote:
       | I remember when my buddy picked up a lineman's headset almost 2
       | decades ago and we ran around connecting it to random lines. Good
       | times. NYC is one of the best places to grow up as a hacker kid.
        
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