[HN Gopher] Show HN: A website to find public pianos
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       Show HN: A website to find public pianos
        
       Author : qrv3w
       Score  : 210 points
       Date   : 2022-03-26 13:34 UTC (9 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (pianos.pub)
 (TXT) w3m dump (pianos.pub)
        
       | Narretz wrote:
       | Quick test. I typed in "Berlin". First hit was Berlin Stralau
       | (correct), second hit was ... Amsterdam Airport Schiphol,
       | Netherlands?!
        
         | iRobbery wrote:
         | i have to say, it is a good piano there at schiphol :)
        
       | AnssiH wrote:
       | I clicked "Nearby" and it just took me to an entirely gray map
       | screen (no map, no pianos).
       | 
       | Seems to be reproducible by just searching for my city:
       | https://pianos.pub/search?q=Tampere%2C+Finland&lat=&lon=
       | 
       | Console says:                 leaflet.js:5 Uncaught Error: Bounds
       | are not valid.           at i.fitBounds (leaflet.js:5:28718)
       | at search?q=Tampere%2C+Finland&lat=&lon=:355:23
        
         | qrv3w wrote:
         | Thanks for the bug report.
        
       | mr-ron wrote:
       | Definitely seems like a lot of false positives. Lots of pianos in
       | my neighborhood (Brooklyn NY) that no way exist
        
         | qrv3w wrote:
         | Yeah I can see that Brooklyn has a lot that are very dated (2-5
         | years old).
         | 
         | I guess I didn't explain well that some of these pianos "no
         | longer exist" but I find it really useful to still have that
         | information because these locations essentially let you know
         | that _if_ there is a piano, it might be in this spot.
         | 
         | New York in general is really a difficult place to map because
         | it changes so fast.
        
         | doobiedowner wrote:
         | Broken pianos make the cut: https://pianos.pub/piano/2f90254f
        
       | teddyh wrote:
       | https://www.mapcontrib.xyz/t/e5c83c-OpenPianosMap
        
       | spicybright wrote:
       | Love it, but I wish it's database was bigger.
       | 
       | I live a bit outside Boston, MA, and it brought up 2 results: one
       | on martha's vinyard (a small island off the coast of cape cod)
       | and one somewhere in a library in boston.
       | 
       | Was hoping for a few more results, esp. being near a large city.
        
       | dv35z wrote:
       | Kudos to the developer. This is a great idea. I'm traveling
       | shortly, and always remind myself - don't bring too much music
       | gear, as there is ALWAYS a piano around somewhere.
        
         | javajosh wrote:
         | And if you're any good at all piano stores don't mind if you
         | play, either! Every pianist must visit the Steinway store in
         | Manhattan once in their life.
        
         | qrv3w wrote:
         | Thanks for the kind comment. Yeah I made this because I would
         | fly a lot and want to play a piano (if no one was around). At
         | the time there were only a few resources that listed possible
         | locations of public pianos and they were always brief (maybe
         | ~100 known pianos), so I tried to compile a more up-to-date
         | thorough list. Its still not completely thorough as I
         | personally find new ones all the time, and its not always
         | correct as there is noise (as people have pointed out) but its
         | still served me far greater than any other website has.
        
       | gusbremm wrote:
       | I like the idea of public pianos but it is rare to find one in a
       | playable state.
        
         | jjulius wrote:
         | What's a "playable state", though? Ryuichi Sakamoto challenges
         | the notion of a singular acceptable state of the piano both on
         | his album, 'async', as well as in 'Coda', the documentary about
         | him.
         | 
         | "The industrial revolution made the production of an instrument
         | like [the piano] possible. Several planks of wood - six I think
         | in this case - are overlaid and pressed into shape by
         | tremendous force for six months. Nature is molded into shape.
         | Many tons of force and pressure are applied, making the strings
         | what they are. Matter taken from nature is molded by human
         | industry, by the sum strength of civilization. Nature is forced
         | into shape. Interestingly, the piano requires re-tuning. We
         | humans say, 'It falls out of tune', but that's not exactly
         | accurate - matter is struggling to return to a natural state.
         | The tsunami, in one moment, became a force of restoration. The
         | [tsunami-damaged] piano re-tuned by nature actually sounds good
         | to me now. In short, the piano is tuned by force to please our
         | ears or ideals; it's a condition that feels natural to us
         | humans. But from nature's perspective, it's very unnatural. I
         | think deep inside me somewhere, I have a strong aversion to
         | that." - Ryuichi Sakamoto
        
           | spicybright wrote:
           | While interesting, I don't have an ear for de-tuned
           | instruments. And I don't think it's too much to ask to expect
           | a public piano to be properly tuned to the traditional scale.
           | 
           | I probably know 3 songs on the piano, and would enjoy playing
           | them for people much more than sitting alone analyzing the
           | philosophies of music in front of a de-tuned piano.
        
       | allenbina wrote:
       | I would love this for 3D printers. I'm calling hacker spaces and
       | libraries trying to find one close to me.
        
         | javajosh wrote:
         | I first read your comment as meaning "I want to 3D print
         | [something] that helps me find public pianos". I imagined
         | printing something like a diorama of a city space with a little
         | piano in there.
        
         | [deleted]
        
       | Traubenfuchs wrote:
       | Useless: All the pianos it has for my city were only there for
       | one time events.
        
         | qrv3w wrote:
         | That's too bad! Some cities are definitely more active in the
         | public piano scene.
        
       | throwaway290 wrote:
       | A lot of spam, sadly. Flagging functionality needed...
        
       | Gys wrote:
       | So many!
       | 
       | The About page refers to '... to the suburbs of Japan, to the
       | cliffs of Australia', but both links find nothing.
       | 
       | I am surprised there are none in Japan, but I assume that is
       | mainly a scrappping / language problem.
        
         | qrv3w wrote:
         | Thanks for noticing that - didn't realize those went away. Will
         | fix.
         | 
         | By the way, Japan is probably the densest in terms of available
         | pianos: https://pianos.pub/location/japan
        
           | Gys wrote:
           | Aha, but in the countries list it shows only one, not
           | existing, piano ;-)
           | 
           | Maybe the number of pianos per country is not calculated
           | dynamically?
        
       | g0ran wrote:
       | I suggest you go for the smaller piano icons on the Leaflet map.
        
         | qrv3w wrote:
         | Thanks I appreciate that! I'm always working to improve the UI
        
         | pimlottc wrote:
         | I agree, on a small phone (iPhone 12 mini) the icon is roughly
         | 1/5 the width of the map itself!
        
       | jancsika wrote:
       | whiteboard exercise: from the video evidence, tell me how many of
       | them are in tune :)
        
         | jacquesm wrote:
         | Mixed bag here in NL, some are absolutely terrible but most are
         | actually quite good as long as they are not too exposed.
        
       | kzrdude wrote:
       | The only listed piano in my town is in a hotel lobby. I haven't
       | gone there, but I'd assume that counts as semi-public, they
       | probably don't like if non-guests come and play.
        
         | jen729w wrote:
         | I think hotels these days would just be glad to have some life.
         | Maybe you'll buy a drink. Maybe you'll entice others in.
        
       | sixhobbits wrote:
       | A lot of train stations in the Netherlands have public pianos -
       | some of them were closed for covid, but it seemed a bit
       | inconsistent
       | 
       | https://nltimes.nl/2018/05/22/hobby-musician-plays-piano-16-...
        
       | femto wrote:
       | Openstreetmap has a tag for public pianos:
       | 
       | https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dpiano
       | 
       | and a discussion:
       | 
       | https://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=69772
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | C4K3 wrote:
         | Map based on that data:
         | https://www.mapcontrib.xyz/t/e5c83c-OpenPianosMap (via
         | https://github.com/brunetton/OpenPianosMap)
        
       | kzrdude wrote:
       | This one has a photo that links to a deleted/gone instagram post?
       | Should the photo be taken down, for privacy?
       | https://pianos.pub/piano/df042e84 Sorry to ask the hard
       | questions.
       | 
       | This one as a video https://pianos.pub/piano/a9e918f3 of the
       | piano right by the water but the map location is 2-3 blocks from
       | the water. The piano in the video seems to be that guy's own
       | piano, so not a public one? The guy plays a nice self-composed
       | tune, at least.
        
       | Timwi wrote:
       | Love the idea. But there's a snag. If I search for my town, I get
       | a lot of "likely not available (last seen years ago)". If I click
       | on "recent", I get entries from all over the world. It seems to
       | me that being able to filter by both would be essential to be
       | able to actually find a piano.
        
         | qrv3w wrote:
         | Thanks for the feedback. I get the confusion. If you searched
         | for your town and only see "likely not available" there is
         | likely none available and the "recent" would just be empty. I
         | didn't make "recent" localized for that reason - for 90% of
         | cities it will just be empty because there are only a few dozen
         | new pianos each week. Instead of doing this I had "recent" show
         | _all_ recent so users can get an idea of how active the public
         | piano scene is as a whole. In the summer there is up to 80
         | pianos a week, and the winter much less.
        
       | Fargoan wrote:
       | There used to be one in my city but people kept vandalizing it.
       | Very disappointed that a few idiots can ruin something cool for
       | the rest of us
        
         | jacquesm wrote:
         | > Very disappointed that a few idiots can ruin something cool
         | for the rest of us
         | 
         | This is a comment that is 'fractal' in nature, it is true at
         | many scales.
        
       | vkdelta wrote:
       | Why do most of them have likely not available? Due to covid?
        
         | kzrdude wrote:
         | It will say that without any recent confirmation that they
         | exist. A public piano is not very long lived. Outdoors it will
         | lose tuning quickly. Indoors still it needs continuous
         | maintenance too. Many of these are short lived projects?
        
         | qrv3w wrote:
         | Most public pianos are fleeting - usually they eventually get
         | vandalized or destroyed by weather. For this website, if its
         | not seen again for a few months then its "likely not available"
         | (but maybe worth a check)
        
       | defanor wrote:
       | Seems like it could be a part of OSM. And indeed, there's
       | "amenity=piano" [1], as well as "musical_instrument=piano", with
       | overpass-turbo [2] even finding some pianos using the latter.
       | 
       | [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dpiano
       | 
       | [2] https://overpass-turbo.eu/
        
         | qrv3w wrote:
         | I agree it could be part of OSM, but keeping it up-to-date is
         | really tricky. Piano locations are impermanent structures and
         | information can become outdated in just a few weeks. It would
         | take a lot of effort to keep it up-to-date and there are very
         | few people willing to put in that effort (i.e. "few" because
         | the union of groups of people that love public pianos and like
         | editing OSM is small).
        
           | dewey wrote:
           | Could it be synced back to OSM so that people can submit in
           | your nicer interface but it'll flow back into OSM? I'm
           | honestly not super familiar how open OSM is for things like
           | that.
        
             | defanor wrote:
             | Haven't tried it myself, but there are automated imports
             | going on here and there, and a few wiki pages (including a
             | code of conduct) on the topic too:
             | https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_edits
        
           | Gigachad wrote:
           | Not to mention that a lot of downstream projects using the
           | OSM data set only update once every few weeks / months so by
           | the time the data hits, its already old.
        
       | DarkContinent wrote:
       | Great idea! Small feedback: one of the pianos listed for
       | Minneapolis is in Concourse C at the airport. While this is, in
       | fact, an actual piano, you have to go through security to play on
       | it. So I'm not sure if this counts as a public piano?
        
         | qrv3w wrote:
         | Actually these are the best public pianos in my opinion -
         | people often search for public pianos when they are traveling
         | and travelers often enter/exit airports. Also the airport
         | pianos are usually the best maintained.
        
           | dvtrn wrote:
           | Along those lines: this has happened exactly once in my life
           | but man was it something, getting off a red eye at 6am and
           | noticing a piano in the middle of the food court. Place was a
           | ghost town except for the morning shift relieving the evening
           | shift, a few food vendors setting up and us, the first
           | arrival of the morning.
           | 
           | Guy a few feet ahead of me pauses, sits down, and unleashes a
           | beautiful melody that stops everyone in their tracks.
           | 
           | There's an applause, he calmly gets up, and we all continue
           | on our way.
           | 
           | Edit: I had to do some seriously creative google dorking to
           | find it, but this was the melody:
           | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjqkkuhRt_M
        
             | blamazon wrote:
             | My theory for why such moments are utterly magical: For a
             | brief moment the non-place becomes a place.
             | 
             | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-place
        
               | jen729w wrote:
               | You might enjoy The Raw Shark Texts by Steven Hall.
               | 
               | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Raw_Shark_Texts
        
             | jacquesm wrote:
             | That particular pianist, Paul Barton has a whole bunch of
             | very nice renditions of various pieces, he lives in
             | Thailand and seems to be a genuinely nice person as well
             | based on the videos of him that I've watched. Two
             | recommendations, the one is Bach's version of the adagio,
             | the other the fugue part of 'Toccata and Fugue'.
             | 
             | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3aI7Oo3GMo
             | 
             | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_wsSIuv_po
        
               | daviddaviddavid wrote:
               | Also a big Paul Barton fan! He has a nice video playing
               | the 18th Goldberg Variation by JS Bach (my favorite one).
               | 
               | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zka65VYD318
               | 
               | And he is also a great painter and there is an awesome
               | video of him painting a portrait of Josh Wright, who is a
               | concert pianist that has lots of educational videos
               | online.
               | 
               | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovu-u8BTGxI
               | 
               | One thing I love about watching Barton is that he has the
               | hands of a mere mortal. So you can see how he
               | accomplishes various reaches and fingerings if you don't
               | have gargantuan piano hands.
        
         | gbear605 wrote:
         | I think it still belongs on the site since it's public to
         | anyone who has passed security.
        
         | mensetmanusman wrote:
         | Pre 9-11 public?
        
         | [deleted]
        
       | codingdave wrote:
       | This is a great idea, but the UX feels difficult:
       | 
       | - If I search, I get local results. But expanding the map should
       | bring in more results. After all, I can start with the world map
       | and filter down to my area, so why not have the same
       | functionality in reverse?
       | 
       | - Zooming in from the world map all the way to my towns, I see 2.
       | If I click one, the map zooms out and puts their icons together.
       | I have no idea how to see details on these.
       | 
       | - The search results only showed one. Why are the results better
       | when not searching?
       | 
       | Still, great idea, if the experience can be improved.
        
         | qrv3w wrote:
         | Thanks for the feedback.
        
       | samstave wrote:
       | Folsom california has a public piano near the tea shop and candy
       | shop:
       | 
       | https://i.imgur.com/Bn7uo3e.jpeg
       | 
       | right here
        
       | ape4 wrote:
       | Perfect results in my area!
        
       | hkc wrote:
       | Wait, this is not what pianos look like :P
       | 
       | https://pianos.pub/piano/656b258f
        
         | qrv3w wrote:
         | :) Yeah there are a few "false positives". I flag them manually
         | and have flagged this one so it will disappear soon...
        
           | hkc wrote:
           | I think you should manually approve them as Instagram tags
           | are used to spam.
        
       | axiomdata316 wrote:
       | I remember the airport in Finland had one and a young guy was
       | play some beautiful classical music on it.
        
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