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       Show HN: Bookvine.io - Help find age appropriate books for kids
       aged 6 to 14
        
       Author : realcul
       Score  : 54 points
       Date   : 2022-03-27 16:16 UTC (6 hours ago)
        
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       | pppoe wrote:
       | Thanks! Just get to know the "Press Start" series from your
       | website and my 6-year-old son will definitely love it!
        
       | encoderer wrote:
       | Well done, this is great. I've already sent my wife a link to it.
       | We are mostly through the original magic treehouse series and we
       | need a new book series to read to our 4 year old. Amazon search
       | is a wasteland for this sort of thing.
       | 
       | Let's talk SEO. You need pages like this:
       | 
       | books-for-6-year-olds
       | 
       | books-for-7-year-olds
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       | Etc
       | 
       | We have a site crontab.guru and you would not believe the traffic
       | we get on our "every n minutes" pages. Long tail!
       | 
       | One more.. in your book pages I would change /series/ to /review/
        
         | monkeybutton wrote:
         | Haha I love crontab.guru! It fits perfectly for me who uses
         | cron schedules only 1-2 times a year, just infrequently enough
         | to forget the format before needing it again.
        
         | realcul wrote:
         | Thanks a lot for the feedback and suggestions. Hope you find
         | the site it useful. Totally agree with you, SEO is definitely
         | an area to focus on so we can get organic search traffic.
         | 
         | btw - good fun series to pick up post Magic treehouse would be
         | - Press Start, geronimo stilton/Thea stilton and Dogman to name
         | a few.
        
       | rahimnathwani wrote:
       | This is a difficult problem to solve for some kids, because there
       | are at least two dimensions to consider:
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       | - language difficulty (which is what lexile aims to measure)
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       | - how appropriate the topic is
       | 
       | My 5.5yo son is decoding words at about 4th grade level (based on
       | an informal 'San Diego Quick Assessment'). But he's limited in
       | his reading by:
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       | - his life experience and existing knowledge, which both affect
       | comprehension
       | 
       | - his willingness to read books that have few pictures (he
       | doesn't like books that have 10 pages between pictures)
       | 
       | It's hard to find books that are age-appropriate (based on topic
       | and maybe format) but also have challenging language (vocabulary,
       | grammar).
        
         | cpfohl wrote:
         | Totally agree. My boys are reading at an extremely high level.
         | I wish sites like these were a grid of topical and reading
         | level.
        
           | awb wrote:
           | The same goes for the inverse. It can be discouraging for
           | kids behind in reading to be assigned content based on their
           | age (or grade) only for it to be far too challenging.
           | 
           | It's a hard problem though because categorization makes it
           | easy to organize content and find what you're looking for,
           | but it can also feel like a competition, which is not always
           | helpful.
        
             | cpfohl wrote:
             | I wonder if the solution is _not_ naming the
             | categories...simply ordering them by difficulty...
        
         | barathr wrote:
         | A few you might check out:
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         | The Humphrey the hamster series
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         | The Zoey and Sassafras series
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         | The Secret Explorers series
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         | Alice in Wonderland
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         | Some Beverly Cleary books
         | 
         | Many of the DK nonfiction books
        
         | realcul wrote:
         | Totally agree with you on all the points. As with most
         | recommendations - YMMV.
         | 
         | This is just to provide a guideline/reference. The way I
         | recommend seeing this list is - say your kid likes "The
         | Penderwicks" then..."hey are few other books that are similar
         | to The Penderwicks"
        
           | rahimnathwani wrote:
           | Yes, definitely. I hope my comment didn't come across as
           | criticism! I love seeing sites like your kid's.
           | 
           | I was more lamenting the general difficulty of the problem.
           | (And possibly just the lack of books that are suitable for
           | kids who are advanced at reading, but have interests similar
           | to other kids their age.)
        
       | realcul wrote:
       | Hi HN, Bookvine.io helps find age appropriate books for kids,
       | with links to get it from Amazon or your local county library
       | (limited to US for now). This was created by my 13yr old son who
       | is an avid reader. I used to spend hours trying to get the right
       | books for him to read and then get it from local county library
       | or Amazon. He wanted to create this site from the books that he
       | has read - to help others in a similar situation. He used Webflow
       | to create the site (I am a software engineer and guided him thru
       | the process and some custom JS coding that was required) More
       | about the story in the About Page. We would love some feedback or
       | suggestions, to help improve the website. (there are no ads/no
       | sign up/no monetary benefit etc) There are almost 300 books,
       | along with reviews and recommendations - categorised by age - to
       | make it easier for parents and kids to pick the next book to read
       | easily.
        
         | jasonboyd wrote:
         | This is fantastic. Thanks so much to your son for curating this
         | list and creating the site. We will start working our way
         | through these recommendations.
        
         | the_common_man wrote:
         | Great patenting, kudos.
        
       | mistrial9 wrote:
        
         | NoraCodes wrote:
         | Out of curiosity, why did you put quotes around the word
         | "marriage"? Am I correctly interpreting your comment as
         | implying that same-sex marriage is not legitimate, and that
         | children should not be aware of its existence (or at least,
         | that its inclusion makes a book inappropriate for children)?
        
           | mistrial9 wrote:
           | I think people get very upset quickly, and I dont want to be
           | upsetting.. so lets not argue in any case, even if we do not
           | agree..
           | 
           | I come from a religious background, and I support plural,
           | open society myself. So same-sex couples are a thing, and
           | people do that.. so they are free to do that.. as I am free
           | to pursue a stricter social definition.
           | 
           | There are people on both sides of this discussion, that feel
           | so strongly about their point of view, that they actively,
           | definitely, without apology and sometimes by unfair means,
           | seek to present, influence and be role models for children in
           | formative stages of learning.
           | 
           | Therefore, on both sides of this topic, I believe that "open"
           | material like books for children, that there needs to be
           | safety and guidelines, in the clear open discussion, about
           | what is in them.. for the parents, family and their social
           | groups to make their own decisions.
           | 
           | Lastly, you are right, I added quotes around "Marriage"
           | because in my tradition, Marriage means a sacred union of one
           | man and one woman. I am committed to support "civil unions"
           | for legal rights of same sex couples, especially high-stakes
           | end-of-life things like medical authority and inheritance,
           | but no one cares about me personally, these are large topics
           | that are decided in a civil process. I support that civil
           | process.
        
             | morelisp wrote:
             | It's child abuse for parents to hide the existence of gay
             | relationships from their children. You're advocating child
             | abuse under genteel language.
        
               | pirate787 wrote:
               | That's an absurd argument. Reductio ad absurdum. Every
               | parent has the right to determine when and how their kids
               | learn about various developmental and sexual topics.
        
         | Minor49er wrote:
         | The About page answers this in detail:
         | https://www.bookvine.io/about-page
         | 
         | Overall, this appears to be a learning project for a middle
         | schooler and his dad as well as a way for them to cover costs
         | through affiliate links. While this might be a fun and useful
         | way to discover new books, you should read the reviews and
         | cross-reference your findings with parental or specialty groups
         | like teachclean.com if you are concerned about the subject
         | matter.
        
           | mistrial9 wrote:
           | thank you for that answer, I will look..
        
       | pbamotra wrote:
       | Another good resource -- https://hub.lexile.com/
        
       | miki123211 wrote:
       | I always found it interesting how different books for teenagers
       | were from movies considered appropriate for the same age group.
       | 
       | For example, the "Cherub" series by Robert Muchamore, which I
       | greatly enjoyed as a kid, included crime, drug and alcohol use
       | (even by kids), sex scenes, mentions of underage prostitution and
       | human trafficking, and even a scene of an attempted rape on a
       | minor. The much more popular "Hunger Games" series was a little
       | bit less violent, but not by much. Nobody seemed to mind. Those
       | books were clearly intended for teenagers, I'd say 12-16 year
       | olds, and there were no disclaimers about what those books
       | contained.
       | 
       | Even with TV, things aren't as obvious as they seem. Over here in
       | Poland, very few parents care about age restrictions. Unlike
       | English, we don't even have a word for "explicit content".
       | Creating online accounts with fake dates of birth is pretty much
       | normal. When I was in middle school, most people I knew watched
       | porn with very few difficulties. Game stores don't have any
       | obligations to restrict what kids can buy, it's not even clear if
       | refusing a game sale based solely on the age of the buyer is
       | legal[1]. When one game store refused to sell GTA5 to a kid, I
       | heard about it on the news. When I compare people of my
       | generation raised in Poland to our American peers, where explicit
       | content is much more of a taboo, I see no noticeable effects of
       | watching such content.
       | 
       | This has some disturbing censorship implications, how many real-
       | life phenomena are filmmakers omitting to get just a little bit
       | more viewers, just because of some well-intended laws that seem
       | to have no actual positive effect on society?
       | 
       | [1] Polish https://bezprawnik.pl/sprzedaz-dziecku-gry-dla-
       | doroslych/
        
         | LanceH wrote:
         | I would like to see the teens break out of the sameness of all
         | the books in the young adult market and read more "adult"
         | books. By adult, I mean some of the less cookie cutter book
         | history has to offer. Yes, I realize there are formulaic books
         | for adults as well, but the young adult market takes it to
         | another level.
         | 
         | I could also live with no more stories about saving society or
         | the world and how it happens to have fallen about a teenager
         | where they aren't sure what looks best to wear and can't decide
         | between several people as a romantic partner among those who
         | are helping them along their quest.
        
       | taftster wrote:
       | Thank you for this.
       | 
       | Suggestion: I'm looking at the 10-14 list. When I click "Next
       | Page", it retains the "book series" section on top and the actual
       | next page I have to scroll halfway down the screen to see. I'm
       | not expecting to have to skip over the book series section
       | _again_ to get to the next page of individual books. Difficult
       | and confusing, at best.
        
       | robmsmt wrote:
       | Fantastic, bookmarked. I would love to see book suggestions for
       | younger kids too
        
       | jll29 wrote:
       | Thanks for putting together the site, it's amazing that your son
       | read 300 books already.
       | 
       | Suitability of books is a complex topic, but the site is a good
       | start.
       | 
       | Typo: Animal Farm is by George Orwell (= Eric Blair), not by Jack
       | London as the site says.
        
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