[HN Gopher] Mystery GPS Tracker on a Supporter's Car
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       Mystery GPS Tracker on a Supporter's Car
        
       Author : cooperq
       Score  : 83 points
       Date   : 2022-03-28 18:05 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
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 (TXT) w3m dump (www.eff.org)
        
       | egberts1 wrote:
       | Spireon bought out Inilex who bought out Sky-LINK.
       | 
       | So, there's plenty of technician's manual out there under those
       | former and current M&A names.
       | 
       | Also, FCC ID is a great starting place, just don't forget merger
       | and acquisition as well in the business world during your RE
       | effort.
       | 
       | Also identifying RF frequency in FCC filings will help narrow the
       | cellular coverage. If it's CDMA, then it's obsoleted.
       | 
       | - https://loginping.com/inilex-gps
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       | - https://www.automotive-fleet.com/130525/spireon-acquires-gps...
        
       | mig39 wrote:
       | I love that the skills I learned in the 80s are still relevant
       | today. Interacting with serial ports. AT commands. This stuff
       | hasn't changed much.
        
       | throwaway0a5e wrote:
       | TL;DR a prior dealership had installed it as part of an anti-
       | theft add-on before selling it to a different dealer who
       | ultimately sold it to the supporter.
       | 
       | The investigative effort they put in was quite good.
        
       | jmole wrote:
       | I had a mystery tracker installed in a car I purchased as well:
       | https://fccid.io/2AEB4AMV01/User-Manual/Users-Manual-3928375
       | 
       | The dealer even added a $250 fee to "remove" this device, but I
       | found it was still installed, so I think I ended up footing the
       | bill for the device itself.
       | 
       | The device is ostensibly to protect inventory from loss, but it
       | seems like they are incentivizing dealers to leave these in cars
       | to capture location data, for whatever reason.
        
       | netsharc wrote:
       | TL; DR:
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       | > Sarah [not real name] also mentioned that the car had been
       | transferred from another Audi dealership in Orange County,
       | California, when she bought it. Could they be the culprits? We
       | called the original dealership and asked if they were familiar
       | with this hardware or if they install GPS devices in their
       | customers' cars. The dealership told us that they used to work
       | with a company called Sky Link to install anti-theft devices, but
       | didn't activate them unless the buyer paid for the service. Could
       | this be an explanation for this rogue GPS device?
       | 
       | [...] Turns out, it had. The GPS device was bought by the
       | dealership, but it was never activated. At last, we had proof
       | that this was a device installed by the dealership.
       | 
       | It feels like there are several "layers" to this story, putting
       | all of them in one probably just confuses a lot of readers. In
       | other contexts the UART pin-outs and bit-banging would be
       | interesting to me but I just wanted to find out whodunnit.
        
       | revicon wrote:
       | Wow, didn't know EFF went so deep on investigations like this.
       | Top notch!
        
         | dmitrygr wrote:
         | This is not really deep, TBH. This is 5-6 minutes of work for
         | someone who does this habitually. They didn't even dump the
         | firmware of the PIC running in there to share it for some fun
         | RE.
        
           | more_corn wrote:
           | You should reach out and give them some pointers for next
           | time.
        
           | bragr wrote:
           | Gotta agree with you there. "Connect to the UART, remember
           | UART requires a ground, throw some AT commands at it, give
           | up, and ask the company about a serial number" hardly seems
           | like a deep dive.
        
           | kortex wrote:
           | The reporter clearly does not do this habitually, as it took
           | them several (frustrating, from the sound of it) days to
           | figure out what they did. Sounds like it was in large part a
           | learning experience for them.
        
             | Mo3 wrote:
             | I mean, the author even stated clearly that it was a great
             | learning experience and that the EFF couldn't do this for
             | everything. So all of this discussion is somewhat redundant
        
       | squarefoot wrote:
       | Over here in the EU any cellular device should contain a SIM card
       | which must be registered to someone or some company, therefore it
       | can be used to track the owner; is that different in the US? The
       | article doesn't mention any SIM card present. If I discovered
       | such a tracking device in my car I'd immediately look for the
       | card, get its number and find the owner.
       | 
       | Also, it would be nice to fool the GPS through a jammer that
       | emits false signals in order to make it report a fake location,
       | after placing cameras at that place to record whoever shows up.
        
         | kn0where wrote:
         | Last I checked, you could activate a prepaid SIM without any
         | proof of identity in the US. We don't have a national ID card
         | system. Postpaid does involve a credit check.
        
         | mig39 wrote:
         | The photo in the article shows "P/N: CDMA"
         | 
         | So if it was a CDMA device, then it probably doesn't use a SIM.
        
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