[HN Gopher] Ask HN: Is Facebook Dying?
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       Ask HN: Is Facebook Dying?
        
       I'm not talking about Meta the company, but rather thier Facebook
       property. I've been on for about 13 years. My newsfeed lately is a
       graveyard only populated by ads and some groups I belong to. The
       only friends left are narcissists or people selling something. I'm
       not motivated to post anything because I get much less engagement
       in the form of likes or comments than I used to. Just curious if
       this is just me or everyone knows it's dying.
        
       Author : labrador
       Score  : 33 points
       Date   : 2022-03-30 21:15 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
       | GekkePrutser wrote:
       | Probably. But Facebook doesn't care. They have Instagram,
       | WhatsApp and soon the metaverse. They have enough pans on the
       | fire to keep cooking. I left it long ago too. But WhatsApp is
       | harder to do without.
       | 
       | The only boat that they really seem to have missed is the
       | community that tiktok serves. But it seems to offer the lowest
       | standard of viral memes and stupid joke videos.. I'm not on
       | tiktok but every time someone sends me a stupid video I really
       | hate, it has their logo on it. I've literally never seen anything
       | with that logo that was worth watching. So I'm definitely not
       | tempted to try. For some reason it really rubs me the wrong way.
       | 
       | Fot what it's worth, when I was on Facebook I also hated people
       | (re)sharing anything they hadn't made themselves.. Like memes and
       | videos. I used it to see what people were up to in their lives
       | but the amount of crap became too high. So maybe social media is
       | just not for me.
       | 
       | But the younger generations seem to eat it up. Good for them if
       | they're having fun with it.
        
         | redwood wrote:
         | They definitely care! Metaverse is.. highly speculative
        
         | mathlover2 wrote:
         | > and soon the metaverse
         | 
         | That assumes Meta's plans for the metaverse ever pay off, and
         | in my humble opinion, that's less than certain.
        
       | wvenable wrote:
       | I've been using Facebook more lately but not as a social network.
       | I've bought and sold a few items on Facebook marketplace. I also
       | now belong to a few obscure technology groups that only exist on
       | Facebook and I have a Quest VR headset.
       | 
       | I also use it to see which relatives are now Qanon or Qanon-
       | adacent.
        
       | mathlover2 wrote:
       | I'm 29 and I only use my Facebook as a log-in tool for one or two
       | sites. I left a message on my FB page saying that I'm no longer
       | going to be active there. This was _two years ago_. My older
       | sister has moved to Instagram. I myself prefer Discord.
       | 
       | If I'm representative of younger people--and I have no idea if
       | that's the case--Facebook proper is in deep trouble.
        
       | PaulHoule wrote:
       | Yes
        
       | adamredwoods wrote:
       | Are you looking for HN anecdotal sampling or larger data sets?
       | How would you go about getting actual statistically significant
       | data sets?
        
       | jstx1 wrote:
       | - at the end of last year they recorded a decrease in users for
       | the first time
       | 
       | - their users are about a quarter of the world's population; at
       | that scale even a downward trajectory will take ages and it will
       | likely stabilisie at some point
       | 
       | - there's many people who aren't like you out there in the world,
       | there are more people like you on HN so it will be easier to find
       | similar opinions to yours
        
         | namecheapTA wrote:
         | It seems like myspace and digg died pretty fast, so it's
         | definitely possible.
        
       | krembanan wrote:
       | Just look at Facebooks last quarterly results and guidance. When
       | the company itself tells investors it's dying, it probably is.
        
         | Eric_WVGG wrote:
         | He specified Facebook the property, not Meta the company.
         | 
         | I have been told by acquaintances within the company that
         | Facebook is considered a legacy product. IMO the corporate
         | rebranding was canny. But I also have little/no faith that
         | their internal bureaucracy will be able to pull off "the
         | metaverse." Their only hope is pulling off more Instagram-style
         | acquisitions.
        
       | throwmeariver1 wrote:
       | Speaking as a creative working with clients up and down the
       | S&P500 in the last years there was a feeling that Facebook got
       | more and more restrictive with creative advertising. In the
       | beginning you could integrate your own apps and interact with
       | pretty much the whole Facebook api you had creative freedom and
       | you could track the effectiveness yourself. After Burger Kings
       | "Sacrifice a friend for a whopper campaign" [0] everything
       | changed. Year after year it got more restrictive even now in
       | their newer offerings you are more and more restricted (Not more
       | than 20% text in ads, no static animations in sparkAR filters the
       | list goes on and on.) AND they are basically just asset flips
       | from other social media or ad networks. Carousel Ads, Stories,
       | SparkAR everything is already there but better from other
       | providers creatives don't like to work on Facebook ads anymore
       | and media companies don't like that they can't sell more
       | adaptions because Facebook Ads are just resells.
       | 
       | There was a lot of hype about the metaverse because everyone
       | hoped that there will be creative freedom again but when talking
       | to their agency representatives it looks like it's even more
       | restrictive. At the moment Facebook is basically the garbage dump
       | for assets you already created for other networks, there is no
       | creative freedom and their AR offerings are lacking behind snap
       | and TikTok. In the 2000s and 2010s you sold whole campaigns
       | because of Facebook now Facebook Ads are just a chart you spend 1
       | second in a presentation. I believe it's dying and it can't come
       | soon enough for the creative industry. For us, Facebook is now a
       | waste of time and energy.
       | 
       | [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq_SbjxNvc8
        
         | not2b wrote:
         | Sorry to be blunt, advertisers on Facebook have been a major
         | contributor to its decline, driving out content that people
         | wanted to see, masquerading as real people, etc.
        
           | throwmeariver1 wrote:
           | Yeah, I am not talking about scam ads but creative
           | advertising. I know many people don't want to see the
           | difference but there is. Creative advertising like the Burger
           | King ad from the post above are ads people want to interact
           | with because they are fun or if you are really good get
           | people to think. The kind of ads you describe are called
           | "prokbelly ads" because you would find them on the flyers for
           | your favorite supermarket. No creative wants to touch them
           | with a poking stick.
        
       | a_chris wrote:
       | Here in Italy, most of the people I know stopped using it,
       | nowaday it is mostly used by our parents and granparents (yea I'm
       | serious)
        
       | blinded wrote:
       | Yes, but Facebook marketplace is lit.
        
         | thaway2839 wrote:
         | That's another thing Instagram might replace though.
         | 
         | It really feels Instagram is the new Facebook, which is great
         | for me, because there is no expectation to be on Instagram
         | within my circles so I can avoid social media, and
         | pseudonymously follow the couple of Insta accounts I do like.
        
         | givemeethekeys wrote:
         | Facebook marketplace is terrible. It makes you look at just as
         | many scams and ads as legitimate ads for what you need.
        
         | kingofboom wrote:
         | I would guess that monetizing marketplace to a level that moves
         | the needle on Meta's earning will be nearly impossible. I would
         | be very surprised if it ever goes anywhere. I'm surprised it
         | exists at all tbh.
        
         | enos_feedler wrote:
         | Yes and facebook will sustain itself by providing these other
         | "jobs to be done". Connecting people to sell your stuff.
         | Connecting people to date. Connecting people to find a good
         | babysitter/dogsitter in the neighborhood. And, its the only way
         | to reach your parents. Not going anywhere (and i hate this)
        
       | allthecybers wrote:
       | We can only hope. I hear AARP has a hot new social network for
       | most of the demographic on Facebook.
        
         | toomuchtodo wrote:
         | I'm actually _very excited_ to see AARP's social network go
         | live. It'll be run by a non profit specifically for the cohort
         | that'll be using it, which better aligns the org's incentives
         | with that of its users. Yet another effort in clawing back
         | power and audience from Big Tech.
         | 
         | https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/03/aarp-backed-soci...
         | 
         | https://community.seniorplanet.org/
         | 
         | "The social network was developed by an AARP affiliate, Older
         | Adults Technology Services. OATS started out giving computer
         | classes to older folks in New York City and has expanded its
         | physical footprint over the years. During the pandemic, those
         | classes moved online, and Senior Planet Community grew from
         | that transition."
         | 
         | "Besides its focus on the 50-plus set, Senior Planet Community
         | stands apart from Facebook in that it's not commercial. The
         | site has no advertising or membership fees. Unless the cost to
         | run the site grows substantially, that probably won't present
         | much of a problem. AARP isn't saying how much it has put into
         | Senior Planet Community, but the organization is famously well-
         | capitalized, with $2.3 billion in net assets and $1.7 billion
         | in revenue in 2020."
         | 
         | (disclosure: AARP member)
        
       | tupac_speedrap wrote:
       | More like stagnation, I think pretty much everybody in the world
       | has either decided to use or not use Facebook, there is nowhere
       | for growth since it doesn't appeal to young people and their
       | brand is pretty toxic.
        
       | phpisatrash wrote:
       | Here in Brazil, Facebook is a kind of synonym for old people. If
       | you use Facebook people tell you are old. I'm 22, and i don't
       | know anyone from my age group who uses facebook. Youg people are
       | using TikTok and then instagram.
        
       | OhSoHumble wrote:
       | A twelve year old laughed at me for using Facebook - and I mean a
       | genuine, mirthful, hearty laugh. I'm thirty. If I'm being laughed
       | at by someone from generation Z for using Facebook... how will
       | Facebook grow? And I don't even use Facebook that much; most of
       | my social activity occurs on Discord.
        
         | giancarlostoro wrote:
         | I had no idea this was a thing, but I'm probably about the
         | same, Discord is my main social media platform. Used to be HN.
        
       | not2b wrote:
       | It's in decline, but there are a couple of local groups on it
       | that I find useful, and it's convenient for sharing pictures with
       | extended family. Some of our younger extended family members only
       | have an FB account to occasionally stay in touch with older
       | relatives but don't use it otherwise.
       | 
       | But the local groups might work better as WhatsApp groups, so
       | it's mostly inertia.
        
       | dotcoma wrote:
       | It's about time.
        
       | stefs wrote:
       | well - my feed is literally dying. i've got an "oops, something
       | went wrong" error message (instead of the feed) for months, the
       | console is full of errors. only news i get are from
       | notifications.
        
         | ceedan wrote:
         | Do you have an aggressive ad blocker or something... An
         | outdated mobile app? Or you have very few friends who rarely
         | post?
        
       | sydthrowaway wrote:
       | No, but Instagram is dominating.
        
       | ngokevin wrote:
       | And taking down the world with them.
        
       | Gualdrapo wrote:
       | Somebody else already mentioned Brazil but I feel like in the
       | rest of Latin America, alas, it's going strong. Lots of pages and
       | groups still working with lots of engagement.
        
         | dn3500 wrote:
         | Here in Mexico everyone is on Facebook. But they don't use it
         | in the classic way, posting vacation photos and family updates.
         | Instead it's a way to find out the hours and location of a
         | restaurant, what night your favorite band is playing, what
         | barrio is having a fiesta this weekend, etc. Most businesses
         | have a Facebook page but no web site.
        
       | decafninja wrote:
       | The younger generations seem to have long abandoned it, first in
       | favor of Instagram (I know it's also a FB property), then to
       | others - i.e. TikTok, etc. At least in the US.
       | 
       | The only people I see still regularly posting personal updates to
       | FB are older people.
        
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