[HN Gopher] Their secret for workplace Zen? Landlines and Ethern...
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       Their secret for workplace Zen? Landlines and Ethernet cords
        
       Author : imartin2k
       Score  : 29 points
       Date   : 2022-03-30 17:33 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | denimnerd42 wrote:
       | I don't like doing any kind of daily team voice conversation on
       | the telephone network. my colleagues globally and those on cell
       | phones sound like complete garbage. I'd much prefer something
       | like mumble or discord for daily team calls but alas..
        
         | vidanay wrote:
         | It's absolutely astounding how far phone call audio quality has
         | fallen in the last 30 years. I'd kill to have routine narrow-
         | band analog POTS phone calls again.
        
           | gkop wrote:
           | > in the last 30 years
           | 
           | Isn't the biggest contributor the discrete transition from
           | circuit-switched copper to packet-switched data? You imply
           | some sort of gradual erosion..
           | 
           | But anyhow yea, kids today will never know the special
           | intimacy yielded by the low latency of a circuit-switched
           | landline call.
        
             | vidanay wrote:
             | Yeah, for sure it was probably a five-year transition
             | period, and crap since then.
        
       | ryandrake wrote:
       | Maybe I'm showing my old age, but I never thought of Wi-Fi
       | networking or mobile voice as anything other than "toy"
       | technologies, unsuitable for SeriousBusiness(tm). Wi-Fi is what
       | you use very temporarily at a coffee shop or something when you
       | simply _have to_ log in to deal with an emergency while on the
       | go. But, for serious daily driver usage, it 's wired all the way.
       | First thing I did when I moved into my home was crawl under the
       | crawlspace and run two CAT 6 drops to each room.
       | 
       | If I were to be hired by a company and went into their office the
       | first day, and they said, "so the corporate Wi-Fi SSID is..."
       | well, I'd kind of not take them really seriously as a business. I
       | realize with today's much better Wi-Fi and cellular technologies,
       | that this is an emotional response and there's no rational facts
       | behind the way I feel. Just an artifact of growing up with "wired
       | = reliable".
        
         | lizknope wrote:
         | The last 3 companies I have worked at over the last 10 years
         | all have wired connections in every office / cubicle as well as
         | 3 separate WiFi networks.
         | 
         | Wifi 1 is for if you disconnect your laptop from ethernet then
         | it automatically connects to the internal corporate WiFi
         | network. This is great if you go to a conference room and need
         | to access to your remote desktop session in the compute
         | cluster.
         | 
         | Wifi 2 is for employees personal devices like mobile phones and
         | is outside of the corporate network with no access to
         | confidential data
         | 
         | Wifi 3 is for guests and vendors who need network access for a
         | demonstration etc.
        
         | cryptoz wrote:
         | What a take. So from your perspective, the developing world
         | that has largely skipped wired connections for their
         | connectivity is all doing 'toy' stuff, not real work? There are
         | literally billions of people with Wifi/Cell but no wired
         | connection, you're just going to write them off as never having
         | what it takes to do SeriousBusiness (tm)?
         | 
         | That you're privileged enough to consider, even emotionally,
         | the majority of the world's connections as 'toys' is something
         | you should recognize. Way more SeriousBusiness happens on
         | Wifi/Cell than I think you expect, and writing off that large
         | (and growing) group is honestly ridiculous.
         | 
         | On the other end of the spectrum, Steve Jobs, and Elon Musk,
         | etc, did/do so much of their work on Wifi/Cell only that it
         | seems insane to think that they are just doing 'toy' stuff as
         | well.
         | 
         | I was on a plane about 10 years ago working on a global network
         | of barometers for weather forecasting research using phones as
         | sensors, and the flight attendant told me rudely to 'put away
         | my toys now'. I've been upset at this ever since, so I'm sorry
         | if this comes off as rude too, but honestly, wtf. I'm working
         | on real stuff, nothing to do with 'toys', as are so many
         | people.
         | 
         | Belittling the Wifi/Cell revolution is a mistake IMO.
        
         | carlio wrote:
         | I'm not sure "I refuse to adapt or change" is a desirable trait
         | in a new employee anyway so probably the relationship would be
         | mutually suspicious.
        
         | turtlebits wrote:
         | Companies with a large enough IT deparment will have enterprise
         | APs all over the office with certificate authentication. IME,
         | ever since 802.11ac (~2014), wifi has been fast enough to not
         | need to be wired in.
        
           | dijit wrote:
           | Honestly this reads as painfully naive. Maybe you've never
           | worked with radio communications before in which case I
           | definitely give you the benefit of the doubt for not knowing
           | this:
           | 
           | But wifi (just like other radio tech like 4G) has limited
           | capacity, and that capacity is shared across all radio
           | systems- this sounds obvious but when you realise how few
           | devices can be talking simultaneously you will understand
           | what an absolute pain this is.
           | 
           | Most of the huge gains in wifi technology (and 3g-4g) is not
           | just making assumptions about what a signal is based on the
           | leading and trailing edge of the wave of the transmission:
           | mostly it's about collision detection algorithms.
           | 
           | Collision detection, by necessity, adds undeterminable
           | latency to your connection, it's literally how it works.
           | 
           | So taking calls over wifi in a room full of people using
           | wifi: you're going to have a bad time. Worse: that room full
           | of people is not _just_ that room full of people. Wifi works
           | in 3 dimensions, you'll be competing with your upstairs and
           | downstairs neighbours too.
        
           | titzer wrote:
           | My workstation doesn't have a WiFi adapter, and I'm glad.
           | It's gigabit ethernet plugged straight into the cable modem.
           | I'm happy to keep tinkering away, even watching videos and
           | such on my laptop, but a big black tower with a keyboard is a
           | holy thing that needs a big pipe jacked into the wall, and
           | you can't convince me otherwise :)
        
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       | legitster wrote:
       | I bought a giant spool of Cat-6 cable and now I run around like
       | Johnny Ethernet-seed upgrading my friends' internet.
       | 
       | For most homes, you know exactly where your datahogs are going to
       | be - computer desk, smart tv, consoles, etc. People are addicted
       | to the convenience of running everything through the air, but an
       | hour in a crawlspace and you've got something faster and more
       | reliable.
        
       | uneekname wrote:
       | An ethernet connection is a must for me. Unless I'm traveling
       | somewhere and need to log in on someone else's network, it's a
       | pain to deal with wifi's slow speeds and connection issues, even
       | in 2022.
        
         | TrainedMonkey wrote:
         | This is probably highly subjective, but I rarely have WiFi
         | issues. I think primary driver there is investing in a stable
         | home networking equipment.
        
           | dijonman2 wrote:
           | Based on the anecdote Inread home wifi works great, other
           | network APs do not.
        
           | nextos wrote:
           | Even with high end networking equipment (at work), I have
           | found WiFi introduces a lot of latency which is noticeable
           | when e.g. SSHing to other machines.
        
             | ericd wrote:
             | I'm in no ways an expert on this, so someone please correct
             | me if it's wrong, but one of the things that I learned that
             | was surprising was that one client with marginal reception
             | can really dominate the airtime with retries, effectively
             | DOSing your wifi network. So good coverage is also pretty
             | key.
        
             | oh_sigh wrote:
             | Can you quantify "a lot of latency"? It should be...a few
             | microseconds more latency? I have to guess the high end
             | networking equipment was configured incorrectly or
             | something. I ssh to machines on my network from wired and
             | wireless devices and it is impossible to tell what kind of
             | network you're on when doing so.
        
           | coward123 wrote:
           | I agree with you, but:
           | 
           | -- It took a lot of years to get here.
           | 
           | -- It took expensive equipment to get here.
           | 
           | -- I'm lucky that my house doesn't have a lot of brick or
           | steel or some other material that blocks signals
           | 
           | -- I still believe that wired is more secure.
           | 
           | -- When it's wired, I _know_ it 's either working or it's my
           | ISPs fault. When it's wireless, I'm left doubting.
        
       | neonate wrote:
       | https://archive.ph/SFhwq
        
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