[HN Gopher] Show HN: I Made a Stupid Game
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       Show HN: I Made a Stupid Game
        
       Author : last_one_in
       Score  : 115 points
       Date   : 2022-03-31 13:36 UTC (9 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (weighoff.net)
 (TXT) w3m dump (weighoff.net)
        
       | [deleted]
        
       | anyfactor wrote:
       | I know this is going to remind us to watch the "Monty Python
       | Witch Trial" scene.
       | 
       | https://youtube.com/watch?v=X2xlQaimsGg
        
         | last_one_in wrote:
         | Aww man, I'm going to have to watch that again tonight. True
         | story: in one of my tech jobs me and my boss had a game to try
         | to get Monty Python quotes into meetings. In a client meeting I
         | talked about search engine behaviour and how you don't want the
         | search engine to just return any old results like "I found this
         | spoon" (Life Of Brian). My boss nearly fainted trying not to
         | laugh. Nobody else got it.
        
         | last_one_in wrote:
         | Watching Holy Grail was the perfect way to unwind at the end of
         | a very very long day. Thanks!
        
       | naoqj wrote:
       | Doesn't resolve at all.
        
       | brazzy wrote:
       | Firefox refuses to show me the site due to a bad certificate,
       | apparently its certificate is valid for domains belonging to
       | arrowloans.co.uk - this is consistent with other reports saying
       | they're being forwarded to a loans company.
       | 
       | Looks like your site got hacked, or maybe some weird DNS problem?
        
         | last_one_in wrote:
         | Oopsie. I totally took out the server. Should be back again
         | later.
        
       | kirchhoff wrote:
       | Site seems compromised?
        
         | tayloramurphy wrote:
         | I'm seeing this as well. Sends me to some home loan page.
        
       | isaacimagine wrote:
       | I did about 20 questions and didn't miss one. Because most
       | plants, animals, etc are made of water, you really just have to
       | compare volume. I found that visualizing the order of magnitude
       | of the volume was a pretty good strategy for estimating weight.
       | (Water has a density of about 1000 kg/m3)
        
         | last_one_in wrote:
         | Edit: sorry, misread. Wow. My best is about 5 and I've played
         | it. Solidly for the last 3 days!
        
         | yreg wrote:
         | I don't know if I was just lucky but I also did a lot of them
         | (where's a counter?) and had all of them right.
         | 
         | I think the game should try to pick answers that are closer to
         | each other. Perhaps even have an inconsistent difficulty so
         | some questions are easier than others.
        
           | last_one_in wrote:
           | It picks choices where the winner is about 10 times the
           | weight of the loser. Very simple. Still trying to come up
           | with something better that increases difficulty over time.
        
       | superninjy wrote:
       | Fun game!
       | 
       | I have a suggestion: the huge numbers are not quite readable.
       | Maybe add the scientific notation as well. Comparing
       | 73,400,000,000,000,000,000,000 with
       | 844,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 is tricky, especially since the
       | numbers are not right aligned.
       | 
       | Adding a 73.4x10^21 vs 844x10^21 would be helpful.
        
         | last_one_in wrote:
         | Yeah, I'd find that more readable too. I aimed for something
         | anyone could understand.
        
           | crummy wrote:
           | Could you just have a simple bar graph that showed their
           | relative sizes? Two numbers with a bunch of zeroes are hard
           | to compare.
        
           | tovej wrote:
           | Maybe greek prefixes or even spelling out the bigger units?
           | I.e. 9.4 gigagrams or 54 billion kilograms.
           | 
           | Of course you might have the issue of short scale vs. long
           | scale billions but a footnote should solve that.
        
             | last_one_in wrote:
             | Yeah. A friend was playing with a group in a room and one
             | of them was trying to read out the questions. Not a problem
             | with 800 gorillas but it is with bigger numbers. Hmm, not
             | sure what to do. The Greek prefixes I find really hard to
             | remember! For simplicity and debugging it was easiest to
             | just slap the numbers up.
        
           | cmeacham98 wrote:
           | Perhaps a toggle?
        
       | fallinghawks wrote:
       | That was wonderfully silly. But some comparators are vague, like
       | "a can" or "a teabag" (used vs unused is a lot of weight
       | difference). But making things more specific could detract from
       | the silliness.
        
       | idkwhoiam wrote:
       | Stupid game is my favourite kind of game. Great job!
        
         | last_one_in wrote:
         | Stupid username is my favourite kind of username. Great job!
        
       | robocat wrote:
       | At least one question has its figures wrong. It asks which is
       | heavier, Space Shuttle or 747, and goes on to say that the
       | Shuttle weighs 2 million kg. But that is not just the shuttle:
       | "The stack, as the composite of orbiter, tank and boosters is
       | called, has a gross liftoff weight of 2000 tonnes" (which I
       | presume includes liftoff weight of fuel as well).
        
       | someacocunt34 wrote:
       | For those that are curious (yes, I realize this takes no effort
       | to find):
       | 
       | https://weighoff.net/data.js
        
         | kizer wrote:
         | I love the todo list at the bottom.
        
           | last_one_in wrote:
           | Doh!
        
       | last_one_in wrote:
       | I made a game which asks questions like "which weighs more? 8,000
       | bumblebees or a gorilla"
        
       | okibry wrote:
       | so weird game but cool :]]
        
       | paparush wrote:
       | Feedback Highlight Correct in green, Incorrect in red
        
       | anyfactor wrote:
       | I love that you are using plain JS for this. I was the kid who
       | unscrewed the Rubik's cube and screwed it back together because I
       | am too dumb solve that.
       | 
       | What is the deal with min_mass_kg and max_mass_kg?
        
         | last_one_in wrote:
         | Thanks. Simplest thing that works. I haven't programmed in
         | years. I just had the idea. The last game I had released was in
         | 1991. Seriously. I check min mass of the heavier * its multiple
         | against max mass of the lighter times its multiple.
        
       | navels wrote:
       | Bait and switch? User account was created an hour ago.
        
         | last_one_in wrote:
         | OP here. Nah man, not bait and switch. The server got fried!
         | Username is my reddit username. Of 11 years, although I hardly
         | use it. I read HN daily but never created an account (not that
         | I can remember anyway). Should all be getting fixed now.
        
         | goldcd wrote:
         | Does seem to be a lot of effort... well I guess if everybody is
         | off playing "the long game", there's probably a gap in "short"
        
       | degenerate wrote:
       | I did about 15 questions waiting for the game to "end", not
       | realizing it would go on forever.
       | 
       | IMO if the game is infinite, count how many questions I get
       | correct in a row, and have the game end when I get one wrong.
       | Keep track of my high score and display it somewhere on the page,
       | so I have a baseline target to beat. That way the game is
       | _replayable_ and now has a metric for how well someone plays it.
       | 
       | I got all questions right except for the ones involving the
       | moon... for some reason I got all those wrong. Moon is big!
        
         | last_one_in wrote:
         | Yeah, I agree. Counting winning streaks is good. I was thinking
         | of an acheivement system too.
        
       | gus_massa wrote:
       | > _1000 tons of bricks_
       | 
       | This option was strange, because all other options don't compare
       | concrete weigh but weight of objects.
        
         | last_one_in wrote:
         | Ahh, it's joke data: { name: "a ton of bricks", plural: "tons
         | of bricks", frequency: 0.01, weighWord: "weighs", min_mass_kg:
         | 1000, max_mass_kg: 1000 }, { name: "a ton of feathers", plural:
         | "tons of feathers", frequency: 0.01, weighWord: "weighs",
         | min_mass_kg: 1000, max_mass_kg: 1000 },
        
           | gus_massa wrote:
           | :)
           | 
           | Nitpicking: I use 1 ton = 1000 Kg, but world wide it's more
           | complicated https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ton
        
             | last_one_in wrote:
             | Bah! Well spotted!
        
         | beardyw wrote:
         | That's definitely heavier than 1000 tons of gorillas!
        
           | 0des wrote:
           | They are the same
        
             | gegtik wrote:
             | wrong.. one of them is bricks whereas the other is gorillas
        
           | tenuousemphasis wrote:
           | 1000 tons is _definitely_ heavier than 1000 kg.
        
       | winterismute wrote:
       | Nice! I think you have a type in "heaver", it should be "heavier"
       | maybe?
        
         | last_one_in wrote:
         | No way! You are the only person to spot that. Fixed. Thanks!!!
        
         | last_one_in wrote:
         | Haha! Just clocked your username. One of my prize possessions
         | is a signed copy of Neuromancer.
        
       | randomrandi wrote:
       | Fun! Some feedback:
       | 
       | 1. Spruce up the design to make seeing the answer more of a "fun"
       | experience
       | 
       | 2. Button to share an answer on social media
       | 
       | 2. Button to send a question to a friend
        
         | last_one_in wrote:
         | TBH my HTML and CSS is so rusty. I haven't built a webpage in
         | about a decade! I love number 2 and number 2. That's awesome,
         | especially sending a question to a friend. Love it.
        
           | localhost wrote:
           | I texted my kid a photo of my monitor as a workaround :)
        
       | holmesworcester wrote:
       | My friends and I always talk about how big a social problem
       | scale-blindness is, so this is awesome!
       | 
       | Suggestions:
       | 
       | 1. Show progress towards some fixed number of questions so you
       | can see your score at the end so you can see how well-calibrated
       | you are and compare with friends.
       | 
       | 2. Add other things than weight, so people can get calibrated for
       | other things too. Time. Probability. Money. Risk of death. Deaths
       | (in war or from disease, e.g.). Stuff like that!
       | 
       | 3. Have a speed mode where you have to learn to do these
       | calculations really fast, so that you can incorporate this
       | awareness into your day to day life and awareness of things. 4.
       | Have a slow mode where you are trying to get everything right, so
       | that you learn how to proceed when you really want to be sure.
       | 
       | 5. Have a mode where nothing is within 100 or 1000 of anything
       | else, so that you're purely focused on scale awareness and so
       | that your ability to estimate on a 10-100 scale doesn't matter so
       | much.
        
       | petersonh wrote:
       | Feels like I'm answering questions my 4 year old always asks me.
        
         | last_one_in wrote:
         | Weird you should say that. The idea came to me after a long
         | conversion with my 6 year old. He was telling me about a friend
         | of his who said he was god or a god and we talked about how you
         | could test to see if he was. That seemed to trigger off a whole
         | synaptic storm.
        
       | jessep wrote:
       | It was really fun, but maybe throw a few combos closer in weight
       | in? I played for maybe 5 minutes and didn't get any wrong. I
       | would have played longer if I got some wrong.
        
         | last_one_in wrote:
         | You're much better at it than me then :-)
        
       | gigaflop wrote:
       | "10 cans of baked beans" vs "A gorilla"
       | 
       | A real stumper there, gotta check my math on baked bean can
       | sizes!
        
         | NAHWheatCracker wrote:
         | It doesn't say the age of the gorilla!
        
         | last_one_in wrote:
         | To be honest, I weighed a can on my kitchen scales :-)
        
           | fortran77 wrote:
           | And how did you weigh the gorilla?
        
             | sdwolfz wrote:
             | According to my reckoning, on his kitchen scales ;)
        
               | last_one_in wrote:
               | Aww man, I couldn't even fit a gorilla in my kitchen let
               | alone on my scales.
        
       | dom96 wrote:
       | simple idea executed well, that's what makes the best games,
       | maybe this will be the next wordle? :)
        
         | last_one_in wrote:
         | Aww, thank you. My friend suggested weighdle as a name but I
         | already had the site up!
        
         | isaacimagine wrote:
         | Really fun game! There's no social incentive to share with
         | others, or hook to return to play again, though. I learned a
         | lot about how much thing weigh though.
        
           | last_one_in wrote:
           | Thank you! Yeah, I have been meaning to add that. I just copy
           | and paste! I want to keep a track of your best winning streak
           | and have achievements.
        
       | goldcd wrote:
       | I quite enjoyed that.
       | 
       | Few (hopefully helpful) bits of feedback:
       | 
       | 1) Would be nicer if it wasn't just an endless list of question
       | cards. Maybe have new ones sliding in on the right, with answered
       | ones going off to the left.
       | 
       | 2) Visually separate the question, your answer, the
       | correct/incorrect answer and the explanation.
       | 
       | 3) Scores! How many right, how many in a right in a row, how did
       | your guess compare with others etc
       | 
       | 4) Social Interaction. Let me share my "best run in 60 seconds"
       | and then let others see if they can beat me.
       | 
       | 5) Pictures? Was just thinking you could have a 2x2 grid, with
       | number and labelled picture of object in a colum, then you click
       | on whether you think column 1 or 2 is the heaviest.
       | 
       | 6) Stats - maybe on landing page or as commentary on your
       | selections "Did you know the weight of the Blue-whale has the
       | most over-estimated mass"
       | 
       | 7) Difficulty curve (or setting), feels a bit odd after you'd put
       | some estimate into guestimating to just be asked "does a gorilla
       | weigh more than 5 tins of beans?" Or maybe it just currently
       | feels too-random. I might get 20 in a row, but I can't compare
       | myself to somebody else who got another 20 in a row right.
       | 
       | 8) "Is greater than" is nice, but simple <,> choice makes it too
       | simple some times. Maybe, "Which is closest to?" - which would
       | give you multiple options to choose from.
        
         | Ntrails wrote:
         | > 4) Social Interaction. Let me share my "best run in 60
         | seconds" and then let others see if they can beat me.
         | 
         | But please don't decide that you need to shove a popup in my
         | face repeatedly to persuade me to do so. I don't have "socials"
         | and have no intention of sharing anything. Being obnoxious
         | about it is a "Dick Move" imo
        
       | SamBam wrote:
       | Hug of Death. I'll try again in a couple of hours.
        
         | last_one_in wrote:
         | Yeah right. I'm trying to send messages of apology to my
         | sysadmin (a FOAF). I bet they hate me.
        
           | tenuousemphasis wrote:
           | It's now redirecting to http://arrowloans.co.uk for some
           | reason.
        
       | NAHWheatCracker wrote:
       | I like it.
       | 
       | I got most everything right until it asked about the moon
       | compared to some huge number of elephants and again with
       | tyranosaurus rexes. I picked moon both times and was wrong. I
       | felt like those are mathematics questions that don't test your
       | sense of scale as much as the rest because there's just no real-
       | life experience.
        
       | quartz wrote:
       | This is fun, well done!
       | 
       | Also: 700,000,000 peas weighs more than a tyrannosaurus rex?! I
       | need to re-evaluate my perception of the weight of a pea.
        
         | last_one_in wrote:
         | That is a lot of peas. I might have some maths wrong in there
         | I'll admit. I hacked it all together in day.
        
         | umvi wrote:
         | 700M drops of water weigh (.05g * 700M) which is 35,000 kg and
         | a pea weighs more than a drop of water
        
       | jaimehrubiks wrote:
       | "According to my reckoning a human weighs at most 80kg"
        
         | last_one_in wrote:
         | Yeah..... um, so I picked min max ranges which would accomodate
         | 50-90% of something. The human one is probably a bit narrow. It
         | was a manic day of googling. Trying to work out what one
         | molecule of caffeine weighs nearly broke me.
        
       | gondo wrote:
       | Advice: make the answer much more visible. First text, visually
       | separated (bigger font, bold, line ...), green/red. Separate the
       | explanation part into its own block of text.
        
         | oneoff786 wrote:
         | Don't do green red for colorblind.
        
           | hunter2_ wrote:
           | As long as there's also a non-color differentiator (like a
           | checkmark / X) I think it's fine. Just like traffic lights
           | having different positions. The word itself is possibly
           | enough, although on the other hand words take longer to
           | process than shapes/colors so best to offer a shape if also
           | offering a color.
        
       | city17 wrote:
       | The site forwards me to some UK home loans website?
        
         | Stevie300 wrote:
         | Same, very curious what's going on here.
        
           | Beltiras wrote:
           | Apparently the author was hugged to death. Hosting provider
           | started to redirect the traffic elsewhere.
        
             | last_one_in wrote:
             | Yeah man, the server got hugged to death. My provider was
             | awesome solving issues and all back up again. I could do
             | with a hug after all that!
        
       | antattack wrote:
       | I was redirected to some loan company.
        
         | last_one_in wrote:
         | Aww man, really sorry. Not my doing. Trying to sort it out. My
         | hosting account's been suspended. It's all gone a bit pear
         | shaped. Oopsie.
        
           | tomhallett wrote:
           | When you get some time to breathe, I would love to hear a
           | "retrospective" about how an account suspension turned into a
           | redirect to a loans website. Did a bad actor notice your
           | account was suspended, took over it somehow and then they
           | sent traffic to their website? Is this standard protocol for
           | your hosting provider (similar to those domain landing pages
           | which link to all sorts of weird crap)?
        
             | last_one_in wrote:
             | The sysadmin thought I was up to no good and suspended me,
             | which seems pretty reasonable to me. He was really cool and
             | not even pissed off that I wiped out a server. All got
             | cleared up. The site is on a different server now.
        
               | tomhallett wrote:
               | figured that you got suspended, but it sounded like the
               | url starting going to some other site vs just erroring
               | out. right?
        
               | last_one_in wrote:
               | Yeah, because I got suspended the webserver decided to
               | just serve the first site alphabetically. Nice behaviour.
               | I scared the ** out of me, I thought it had been hacked.
        
         | kome wrote:
         | me too!
        
         | sodimel wrote:
         | Me too. Here's the result of nmap -p 443 --script ssl-cert
         | weighoff.net:                   Starting Nmap 7.80 (
         | https://nmap.org ) at 2022-03-31 17:24 CEST         Nmap scan
         | report for weighoff.net (213.175.208.197)         Host is up
         | (0.056s latency).         rDNS record for 213.175.208.197:
         | charlie.awebserver.co.uk              PORT    STATE SERVICE
         | 443/tcp open  https         | ssl-cert: Subject:
         | commonName=arrowloans.co.uk         | Subject Alternative Name:
         | DNS:arrowloans.co.uk, DNS:cpanel.arrowloans.co.uk,
         | DNS:cpcalendars.arrowloans.co.uk,
         | DNS:cpcontacts.arrowloans.co.uk, DNS:mail.arrowloans.co.uk,
         | DNS:webdisk.arrowloans.co.uk, DNS:webmail.arrowloans.co.uk,
         | DNS:www.arrowloans.co.uk         | Issuer: commonName=cPanel,
         | Inc. Certification Authority/organizationName=cPanel,
         | Inc./stateOrProvinceName=TX/countryName=US         | Public Key
         | type: rsa         | Public Key bits: 2048         | Signature
         | Algorithm: sha256WithRSAEncryption         | Not valid before:
         | 2022-01-21T00:00:00         | Not valid after:
         | 2022-04-21T23:59:59         | MD5:   087b d643 652c f167 689e
         | 71fb 2acc ef07         |_SHA-1: d212 d954 f09d 7ff7 9068 6e90
         | 4012 b592 cc2d c64f              Nmap done: 1 IP address (1
         | host up) scanned in 0.58 seconds
         | 
         | Edit: that's funny, http://weighoff.net/ (not https) shows the
         | content of charlie.awebserver.co.uk :D
        
           | goldcd wrote:
           | How odd - I'm now seeing https://www.webs.limited/
        
           | slowmovintarget wrote:
           | I got the Bad SSL Cert warning in Firefox and just backed
           | out.
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | last_one_in wrote:
         | Yeah, really sorry about that. Wasn't my doing. The rather
         | unexpected surge of traffic fried the server. Hopefully
         | resolved now. I was never expecting to hit the front page of HN
         | let alone number 1.
        
       | oldstrangers wrote:
       | Chrome is flagging your SSL cert as being invalid, just an FYI.
        
         | contravariant wrote:
         | That's because it's forwarding the traffic to some entirely
         | unrelated website for some reason. Not sure if the DNS went
         | screwy, but something is not right.
        
           | oldstrangers wrote:
           | Think the guy got hacked mid launch.
        
           | last_one_in wrote:
           | OP here. Everything went screwy! Should be working again now.
           | I don't even work in tech anymore. I haven't been involved in
           | a website launch in over a decade. It's been one hell of a
           | day. My plan for the day was literally to put the site up and
           | then do some craft work, spinning wool into yarn for making
           | my friends a couple of hats (it's wool from their sheep). I'm
           | not even joking! My day went so off the rails.
        
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