[HN Gopher] 'Sovereign chess' is a battle without loyalty or hum... ___________________________________________________________________ 'Sovereign chess' is a battle without loyalty or humanity (2020) Author : amichail Score : 129 points Date : 2022-04-03 12:06 UTC (10 hours ago) (HTM) web link (medium.com) (TXT) w3m dump (medium.com) | gleenn wrote: | That just seems like a crazy amount of pieces and complexity. It | looks cool but god strategy must be so hard. If you have played | people who start taking long times to think through moves, I feel | like this would basically lock people up for hours. | SovereignChess wrote: | On a player's opening move, their possible move options are | identical to traditional chess, since they only control the | pieces of their color. As they land on color squares, the move | options can increase, but for typical chess players, the | learning curve is not too steep. | | Most games end in under 40 moves... | lordnacho wrote: | I was going to say the same thing. The problem with creating | complications is you need a fairly large ecosystem to ensure | that you discover (through people playing) the many intricate | strategic situations that can happen. | | It's like when you play civilization and there's a zillion ways | to win, it leads to a lot of time being spent becoming even | slightly familiar with the game. | bondarchuk wrote: | See also the recent review in Abstract Games magazine: | https://www.abstractgames.org/gamereview23.html | iliekcomputers wrote: | Chess variants are very interesting. It'd be very nice if someone | could build an online version of this actually. | amichail wrote: | Videos: https://www.youtube.com/user/SovereignChess/videos | 7373737373 wrote: | Can't find any videos of people actually playing it | armchairhacker wrote: | Also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhq7oppTUuc, this guy does | a lot of other board games too. | forum_ghost wrote: | Finally, a game that teaches principles of realpolitik? | Andrew_nenakhov wrote: | A long time ago I played Galaxy Plus - a variant of Galaxy PBEM | game with simple rules and a galaxy full of races controlled by | humans - 50 players start a game, 1-3 win in the end. | | It was one of the most intense gaming experience I have ever | had. With 3 turns per week, a single game could last for a | year, and to win you had to be a good diplomat to not get | swarmed by your neighbors. It also taught me a lot about | politics. | tmsbrg wrote: | That would be Diplomacy [0] | | Worth trying out online for example through webDiplomacy [1]. | It's my favourite game. | | [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diplomacy_(game) | | [1] https://webdiplomacy.net/ | ekanes wrote: | What a fantastic game it is. Thanks for that link, maybe I'll | play again. | zzzzzzzza wrote: | try dominions 5 | cjbgkagh wrote: | I would play this more often but I'm running out of friends. | aidenn0 wrote: | Assuming this is a "diplomacy destroys friendships" joke... | | Games are a place where we can see culture clash in the | small. | | My sister didn't speak to me for days after, having folded | to a bluff in poker, she flipped over my hand and called me | a cheater. | | To any poker player, my behavior was fine and she would be | way out of line for revealing my cards. | | On the other hand, I was intentionally misleading a family | member for personal gain at their expense, which away from | the poker table would be a huge breach of trust | cjbgkagh wrote: | It's a short version of I'm running out of friends to | play diplomacy with. Not everyone likes realpolitik as | much as I do. | | In poker the adversarial aspect is clearer. In diplomacy | you have to develop trust to later exploit it by breaking | alliances and traitorously conspiring with enemies in a | way that guarantees your former allies loss. The betrayal | is more acute in a way that feels more fundamental. | Telling them that they were naive for trusting you and | they must do the same if they want to win tends not to go | down so well. | lupire wrote: | My question is it possible to be good at Diplomacy | without being a socio opath in real life. In poker, | someone being good at bluffing is scary (separately from | just being better at the math part), much like someone | being better than you at sports is physically | intimidating off the field because they could beat you | up. Diplomacy even more so than poker, because | manipulation and deceipt is the only skill in the game. | It doesn't even have the cooperative part of the real | world's "build something of value together" -- it's a | zero sum or negative sum game. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2022-04-03 23:00 UTC)