[HN Gopher] There's no way to report spam on Google Drive
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       There's no way to report spam on Google Drive
        
       Author : edent
       Score  : 233 points
       Date   : 2022-04-04 11:54 UTC (11 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (shkspr.mobi)
 (TXT) w3m dump (shkspr.mobi)
        
       | paulpauper wrote:
       | Social networks, google is the greatest gift to scammers and
       | spammers ever. By the time the scam or spam is stopped, the
       | profit has been realized. Spam prevention is always reactive, not
       | proactive, giving scammers an advantage. Algos are too slow to
       | stop a smart spammer, companies do not care that much unless the
       | media brings it to their attention or they get sued.
        
       | dr_orpheus wrote:
       | I also have seen that when I go to look at at in on my laptop the
       | file isn't actually there. And that is supposedly the only way to
       | report it as spam, so its unclear if Google is actually catching
       | it as spam or not.
        
         | uranium wrote:
         | My guess was that when this happened to me, it meant that
         | Google had figured out it was spam after the notification got
         | through, likely due to people marking it as spam. So I got the
         | notifications, but the files had gone away before I looked.
        
       | amichal wrote:
       | I'm confused. Most of the tweets in the article have a response
       | from Google directing the user how to report these as abuse spam
       | from within google drive and docs.
       | https://support.google.com/docs/answer/2463296?hl=en (After
       | removing everyone's link shortner. Granted I couldn't find the
       | time in the iOS client and am not at my desktop to check there.
       | 
       | Edit: ignore me I see the issue is there is no way to block the
       | notifications on mobile and since these don't show up on desktop
       | they can't be responded to in any reasonable way there either.
        
       | mminer237 wrote:
       | There actually is, it's just stupidly hidden:
       | https://matthewminer.name/blog/how-to-report-this-google-dri...
        
         | rambambram wrote:
         | 503 error, must be busy now. I don't have this problem since I
         | don't use Drive, but my guess is - whatever is on your page -
         | it's worth a separate post.
        
         | edent wrote:
         | That's amazing! Thank you. I've no idea why Google "support"
         | can't tell people that.
        
       | annoyingnoob wrote:
       | As far as I can tell, Google does not actually care that its
       | platforms are used for abuse.
       | 
       | You can report spam from gmail accounts, but if you do you just
       | get even more spam. Gmail appears to pass your complaint onto the
       | spammer, who now has a verified email address to spam more.
       | Though the spammer might have to get yet another gmail account
       | first.
        
       | mc4ndr3 wrote:
       | Use the mobile feedback form.
        
         | edent wrote:
         | Where is that? I don't see it in the Android app.
        
           | waserwill wrote:
           | in case anyone is wondering:
           | 
           | - Open the app, and select the 'Shared' folder at the bottom
           | 
           | - Find the spam content, click the three dots to open a menu
           | 
           | - At the bottom, hit 'Report abuse', select an option, and
           | confirm.
           | 
           | So far, I've only been able to do this one-by-one, though I
           | receive a couple of these shared docs every day.
        
             | duskwuff wrote:
             | That only works if the document is still shared with you.
             | If the spammers are halfway clever, they're removing access
             | immediately after granting it, so the victim can't actually
             | open the document to report it as abusive.
        
               | thematrixturtle wrote:
               | But what would be the point of doing that? They can't
               | sell you whatever it is they're trying to sell unless you
               | open the doc.
        
               | tedunangst wrote:
               | Users who actually click links in the document are
               | clustered towards early openers? Share doc for two
               | minutes, collect clicks, unshare to cut off spam reports.
        
               | lern_too_spel wrote:
               | I received a lot of spam share notifications on Google
               | Drive, and there is no spam in the Shared with Me view in
               | the app. I don't know what their game is, but this is
               | happening. It also doesn't make sense that Google Drive
               | doesn't remove the notification after the file is no
               | longer shared with me.
        
       | zarmin wrote:
       | Have you all been getting the videos I shared with you? :lips:
        
       | mrlatinos wrote:
       | The past couple weeks I've received at least 5 notifications like
       | this and found the lack of "report spam"/"block sender"
       | functionality surprising. I submitted feedback through the app
       | but I have little confidence that anyone is actually looking at
       | those - I've always seen Google's feedback submission on Android
       | as a b*tch abyss. For now I've just blocked all Drive
       | notifications.
        
         | paulpauper wrote:
         | Google does not care that much. It's not a high priory for them
         | evidently. reporting blog spam takes forever too. It goes into
         | a batch that may eventually be processed.
        
       | HNHatesUsers wrote:
        
       | alienalp wrote:
       | In recent days i also started receiving those. I don't get how
       | Google manages to do something this stupid. I was considering
       | switching to iphone. This case improved odds of it.
        
         | trampish wrote:
         | I've been receiving these on my iPhone (via Google Drive app)
         | with no real recourse. This problem isn't limited to Android
         | users.
        
           | alienalp wrote:
           | My complain was about this policy let this happen. Obviously
           | in a company like Google there should be company wise rule
           | which won't let a stranger able to send notification to my
           | phone.
        
         | lnxg33k1 wrote:
         | I have also switched to iphone to a better quality of e-life,
         | but you need to avoid using anything google related altogether
         | , at a certain point google services are not something they
         | sell or make business with, their job is to show you
         | advertisement and spam, so the rest is just a side gig to
         | better do their primary thing, so one is better off just
         | avoiding them, these replies in the post are just as pathetic
         | as the company itself, people always report these spam (this is
         | not the first post about it, there was also a guy a while ago
         | who had a fight with his wife because of the sudden spam on
         | google drive), it's just PR
        
       | coldcode wrote:
       | Not a day goes by without a post on how crappy Google is at
       | support or fixing problems or ignoring the public at large.
       | "Don't Be Evil" (if that was ever a thing) is now "Don't Give A
       | Shit (At Scale)".
       | 
       | If Google is so large that it cannot manage even something as
       | basic as spam, perhaps it is too big to exist?
        
         | dale_glass wrote:
         | That's always been a problem with using a huge company as your
         | provider: you're effectively meaningless to it unless you're on
         | the top of some huge organization like the US Army. If you can
         | decide whether tens of millions of USD get spent or not then
         | miracles can happen. If you're the average joe worth $20 of
         | business to the company, or worse, pay by watching ads, then
         | you can be sent off to the self-support chat bot and otherwise
         | ignored.
         | 
         | If you need a service of any complexity, and want to have your
         | personal interests taken into account, you're best going with
         | some medium size company -- large enough to be staffed by
         | competent people, but small enough that they still fear bad PR
         | and people going with the competition.
        
           | LightG wrote:
           | Disagree strongly.
           | 
           | I'm naturally averse to "huge companies" but Amazon does
           | customer support fantastically well.
           | 
           | If Amazon can do it, and do it very well, so can Google.
           | 
           | They just choose not to. And so I choose not to use them.
           | 
           | Maybe I'm not their target audience.
        
             | dale_glass wrote:
             | Which Amazon? The online shopping? Yeah, that one's easy
             | because good customer support is mostly taking your side
             | unless you're being abusive, and because in reality most
             | returns get thrown out anyway. Amazon shopping is also
             | highly profitable. They're not scrounging cents they get
             | from you watching ads.
             | 
             | AWS? You get no tech support without paying for it as far
             | as I can tell. Pay $29/month minimum if you want to open
             | tickets.
        
       | aurizon wrote:
       | block the world, allow friends with a pw like their initials -
       | lengthen as needed. This is an invasion by homeless bots, one-at-
       | a-time blocking = they outnumber you. Add the access PW to your
       | signature as PW = your initials, or your initials twice/thrice in
       | case bots surface. This is OK for families or small crews where
       | the PW rules can be uniquely changed case by case. For bulk, we
       | will all have to go to the new FIDO protocol which seems to be
       | gaining traction. https://fidoalliance.org/tag/new-fido-protocol/
        
         | edent wrote:
         | OK, but how do I do that on Google Drive?
        
           | aurizon wrote:
           | Who has access? I have sent files via GD to people, adding
           | names as needed. Have you granted open access to anyone at
           | all? Not using GD more than once a month, I have not seen any
           | spam, so I am a GD newb?
        
             | notreallyserio wrote:
             | Based on the content in the article, you don't have to be a
             | heavy user of Google Drive to see this sort of spam, nor do
             | you have to send anyone files.
        
             | bonobo wrote:
             | This is not about protecting the files you share, it's
             | about spammers abusing the file sharing mechanism to send
             | you notifications. THEY share a file with you in order to
             | trigger a notification and there's no way to block this.
        
               | aurizon wrote:
               | Ah, I see. Have never got one, fingers crossed. I am not
               | a big user...
        
       | bonobo wrote:
       | I also have been receiving lots of these lately. I don't
       | understand why "blocking everyone that's not in your contact
       | list" is not a feature.
       | 
       | This thread below on Google Drive Help Center was closed with a
       | response that you can now block a specific user -- which is
       | useless against a horde of bots.
       | 
       | https://support.google.com/drive/thread/58636526/how-to-bloc...
        
         | mrlatinos wrote:
         | I don't see any way to block users through the Android app.
        
         | maps7 wrote:
         | I'm getting these recently too as Android notifications. It's
         | very annoying and could be very unprofessional or hard-to-
         | explain if one came in at the wrong time.
        
       | mossity wrote:
       | 99% of the spam email I've been getting has been using using
       | static redirect sites hosted on GCS to try to get past spam
       | filters too. I've tried reporting it via
       | https://support.google.com/code/contact/cloud_platform_repor...
       | but it's pretty exhausting.
        
       | mythz wrote:
       | I've had to disable all notifications from Google Drive because
       | of this, which only started happening recently.
       | 
       | Whatever Google did to make it easy for random spammers or
       | new/bot accounts to indiscriminately spam unrelated accounts is
       | causing distrust & will end up with lower usage as a result.
        
         | lern_too_spel wrote:
         | I use a notification filter to block notifications from Google
         | Drive with :rose: or :heart_eyes:. No more Google Drive spam on
         | my phone. Unfortunately, there is no browser extension API for
         | reading all notifications, as far as I can tell, so the only
         | way to make it stop in my desktop web browser is to write a
         | monkey patching extension for it, which is enough trouble that
         | I haven't gotten around to doing it yet.
         | 
         | Just blocking notifications from Google Drive and complaining
         | on the Play Store is the right thing.
        
       | scrumbledober wrote:
       | I'm at least glad to see I'm not the only one. This has been a
       | bit frustrating the last couple weeks. I was wondering where I
       | had used my Google drive account that suddenly I was getting hit
       | with them
        
         | gspr wrote:
         | Ditto! I was sure I had accidentally changed some Google
         | setting, and the Drive spam irritated me to no end. I'm so glad
         | to be gradually downscaling my Google dependency. What a
         | ridiculous company!
        
       | hnburnsy wrote:
       | What legitimate user shares GD files with emojis in the document
       | name?
        
         | bell-cot wrote:
         | I'll guess that you have no daughters / granddaughters old
         | enough to use social media much?
        
           | hnburnsy wrote:
           | Google Drive doesn't feel like frequently used social media
           | tool. Maybe I am out of the loop.
        
       | LightG wrote:
       | Little things like this helped me give up on Google.
       | 
       | Just ... rubbish.
       | 
       | They're basically a showcase of technology.
       | 
       | Impressive if they can keep the flywheel turning without giving a
       | ... for the everyday people they once pretended to serve.
        
       | dghughes wrote:
       | Yeah there's been a noticeable uptick in Google Drive spam on
       | Android. Sexy lady stuff, junk like work PowerPoint attachment,
       | all kinds of spam.
        
         | martin_a wrote:
         | > Sexy lady stuff
         | 
         | I have this all over YouTube, togeter with dubious "phone
         | cleaners" and the whole range of probably malware and backdoor
         | infested app garbage.
         | 
         | Funny thing is: After reporting probably too much of those ads
         | on YT, I can no longer report _any_ ad at all.
         | 
         | Banned from the report function. wtf.
        
           | someotherperson wrote:
           | Instagram and similar can outright ban you for reporting
           | spam. I guess spam reporting is also abused and brings you
           | into a radar you weren't previously in.
           | 
           | Nuts.
        
             | slig wrote:
             | Instagram has a serious "follow spam". Clearly fake
             | accounts will follow people who follows some kind of niche
             | account with hopes that people will follow back. It works,
             | I can see that those spam-accounts have real followers.
             | 
             | It tried to report those accounts to Instagram, and they
             | don't care (the @spamaccount doesn't violate any ToS). So
             | now I just block.
        
             | bombcar wrote:
             | There's no point in reporting spam, just setup an adblocker
             | in general and move on.
        
           | mysterydip wrote:
           | "our metrics for how many bad ads we're serving goes down
           | after we block users from reporting it."
           | 
           | -machine learning algoritum somewhere
        
           | lern_too_spel wrote:
           | Ads on CNN AMP pages cover content, and there is no way to
           | see the text underneath when using Chrome. So many reports,
           | and nothing happens. Luckily Firefox lets me block the ads.
        
           | wingmanjd wrote:
           | I recall something similar occurring during my earlier CS:GO
           | days. I was temp-banned for reporting/ attempting to vote out
           | too many cheaters. -\\_(tsu)_/-
        
       | csnover wrote:
       | Not only is there no way to report spam on Google Drive, I
       | noticed in the past few months that Google have also started
       | refusing spam reports via SpamCop. Now those reports just go to
       | google-abuse-bounces-reports@devnull[0].
       | 
       | I suppose relative to their market size one could make an
       | argument that they are doing a good job of "only" being the
       | source of ~1.8% of all spam[1], and who knows what they did with
       | these reports to begin with, but the intentional deterioration of
       | reporting capability isn't a great look, and there's no effective
       | recourse since they are too big to block outright.
       | 
       | [0] https://www.spamcop.net/w3m?action=inprogress
       | 
       | [1] https://www.spamcop.net/hoshame.shtml
        
         | apatters wrote:
         | It would be consistent with criminal monopoly behavior if
         | Google's next step was to start charging us for submitting spam
         | reports... watch this space
        
       | dweekly wrote:
       | I'm a Xoogler and one of the Twitter users included in this OP.
       | 
       | A few interesting things here; reporting flow is _terrible_. You
       | have to open the (porn /dangerous) on Google Drive in mobile,
       | then on desktop open it in recent, then go to Help > Report
       | Abuse/Copyright
       | 
       | example link (NSFW!!)
       | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ftlYcB4sY7FLj_1WHkoS7Jd2... -
       | links to rju2.all444link.com (many of these are using
       | all444link.com) - last edit (shown on mobile only) was from
       | ratchaneekorn_spk@spk.ac.th - abuse report link is at
       | https://docs.google.com/u/0/abuse?id=1ftlYcB4sY7FLj_1WHkoS7J...
       | with clear link structure
       | 
       | Every single one of these spam pages was A) advertising porn, B)
       | using all444link.com, and C) was from a user at a Thai
       | educational domain name (different hosts, though).
        
         | paulpauper wrote:
         | It's not a high priory for Google stopping spam, same for all
         | major tech companies. Their framing of this is that they are
         | not the internet's babysitters. An assumption is users bear
         | some responsibility for not being scammed or it's not
         | profitable for them to invest lots of resources into stopping
         | spam. ISPs are somewhat different in that customers are paying
         | and ISPs bear a greater cost, so they tend to take spam more
         | aggressively.
        
           | blooalien wrote:
           | They're maybe not the _internet 's_ "babysitters", but they
           | _are_ the  "babysitters" of their own network infrastructure
           | and services, and these spammer scum _do_ abuse that
           | infrastructure and waste /steal bandwidth and other resource
           | that don't belong to them. You'd think Google would want to
           | put a stop to that when it's gotten to a point where it's
           | happening "at scale" and wasting large enough amounts of
           | resource that it starts to equate to real-world dollars being
           | lost/wasted. Sure, users bear some responsibility for not
           | being scammed, but that doesn't mean that Google has to
           | tolerate it happening through _their_ services and
           | infrastructure, especially not when their own end user
           | license agreements for those services _actively prohibit_
           | such usage.
        
             | paulpauper wrote:
             | That is the problem. google does not deem this spam that is
             | on their platform to be enough of a cost to justify trying
             | doing more to stop it. It's a basic cost-benefit analysis.
        
           | monkeybutton wrote:
           | >They are not the internet's babysitters
           | 
           | This kind of attitude is why we're all enduring nonstop spam
           | calls.
        
             | jlmorton wrote:
             | Contra the point of this thread, Google actually prevents
             | me from getting basically any spam calls.
             | 
             | With the combination of Google Fi and Pixel, I receive very
             | few spam calls. Almost all of them are automatically
             | screened, the phone never rings, and I'm left with a "spam
             | notification," with a transcript of the call asking me to
             | extend my warranty.
             | 
             | Similarly, essentially all spam text messages are
             | identified as spam, and generate only a silent
             | notification.
             | 
             | For the few spam calls that slip through, it's one click to
             | screen the call with Google Assistant.
        
           | tedivm wrote:
           | Are you confusing google drive spam with email spam? In this
           | case Google is the ISP- as the article said, the Google Drive
           | App is sending notifications to people for this spam.
           | People's local ISPs have literally nothing to do with this at
           | all.
        
             | paulpauper wrote:
             | Earthlink takes spam way more seriously than google because
             | EarthLink has paying customers. Most people who use google
             | products do not pay. Google is not going to invest millions
             | of stopping spam if there is no financial reason to do so.
             | That is the cold reality of cost-benefit analysis. There
             | would have to be some legislation or legal precedent in
             | which google is forced to do something.
        
               | tedivm wrote:
               | Google has paying customers for its office suite. They
               | charge for individuals storage beyond the free tier, and
               | their business users pay a per user fee.
        
           | phendrenad2 wrote:
           | Okay so bear with me. My local carwash has a legitimate crazy
           | person there who tries to sell his flat-earth pamphlets. The
           | carwash tries to chase him away, not because they're the
           | street's "baby sitter", but because he's bad for business.
           | People could go get a car wash elsewhere. People could store
           | their files elsewhere.
        
             | paulpauper wrote:
             | Let's assume the carwash has thousands of very expensive
             | customers who generate billions of dollars for it, and many
             | more cheaper customers that generate much less or nothing.
             | And the crazy person is hassling some of the non-paying
             | customers, but it costs google $1000/day to stop him,
             | because he's very persistent. Is it worth google paying
             | $1000/day to protect those non-paying customers or help
             | those expensive customers?
        
               | phendrenad2 wrote:
               | Yeah that's my point, being the babysitter of your
               | platform is sometimes cost-effective, and sometimes not.
        
           | [deleted]
        
       | Animats wrote:
       | There's PhishTank.[1]
       | 
       | [1] https://www.phishtank.com/phish_detail.php?phish_id=6178855
        
       | jeffbee wrote:
       | Would love to know why Google Public DNS is responding SERVFAIL
       | on this domain. Everyone else can resolve it :-/
        
         | tyingq wrote:
         | It's working for me.                 $ host shkspr.mobi 8.8.8.8
         | Using domain server:       Name: 8.8.8.8       Address:
         | 8.8.8.8#53       Aliases:             shkspr.mobi has address
         | 77.72.0.226
        
           | jeffbee wrote:
           | Weird because even Google's own DNS query UI says it is
           | SERVFAIL:
           | 
           | https://dns.google/query?name=shkspr.mobi
           | "Status": 2 /* SERVFAIL */,       "TC": false,       "RD":
           | true,       "RA": true,       "AD": false,       "CD": false,
           | "Question": [         {           "name": "shkspr.mobi.",
           | "type": 1 /* A */         }       ],       "Comment":
           | "Resolution failure. Please check
           | https://intodns.com/shkspr.mobi"
        
             | tyingq wrote:
             | Even weirder, works for me... -\\_(tsu)_/-
             | 
             | https://dns.google/resolve?name=shkspr.mobi&type=A
             | 
             | {"Status":0,"TC":false,"RD":true,"RA":true,"AD":false,"CD":
             | false,"Question":[{"name":"shkspr.mobi.","type":1}],"Answer
             | ":[{"name":"shkspr.mobi.","type":1,"TTL":14400,"data":"77.7
             | 2.0.226"}],"Comment":"Response from 139.162.230.184."}
        
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