[HN Gopher] My free-software photography workflow
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       My free-software photography workflow
        
       Author : fidelramos
       Score  : 252 points
       Date   : 2022-04-04 09:54 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | AussieWog93 wrote:
       | RawTheRapee sounds a lot less pleasant than RawTherapee! :P
        
         | dkjaudyeqooe wrote:
         | I thought "why would someone name anything that?" until I went
         | to the website and found that this guy had for some reason
         | changed the capitalisation to something much more creepy.
        
         | yazantapuz wrote:
         | At first glance I have read it as rawtheRapee too. Was totally
         | confused as how on earth they could have choosed that name.
        
           | spaetzleesser wrote:
           | Reminds me of the "analyst-therapist" in "arrested
           | development"
        
             | thechao wrote:
             | (Analrapist)
             | 
             | "Oh! It's pronounced _uh-nalll-rupist_! "
             | 
             | "I wasn't concerned with its pronunciation."
        
               | spaetzleesser wrote:
               | I was considering writing it down but the joke works only
               | with the correct pronounciation.
        
           | reaperducer wrote:
           | http://www.penisland.net
        
             | FredPret wrote:
             | "We specialize in wood"
             | 
             | "Once we built a pen so large that we had difficulty
             | finding a box it would fit in."
             | 
             | Also, their logo is... suggestive
        
             | sdoering wrote:
             | From their FAQ:
             | 
             | > Q: Can I provide my own wood?
             | 
             | > A: In most cases we can handle your wood. We do require
             | all shipments to be clean, free of parasites and pass all
             | standard customs inspections.
             | 
             | Damn - thanks. Now I will never get this site out of my
             | head again.
        
         | fidelramos wrote:
         | Blog author here. Would you believe I didn't notice the proper
         | capitalization is RawTherapee and not RawTheRapee? I didn't
         | think twice about the semantics, now I can't unsee it. Thanks
         | for the comment!
        
           | igouy wrote:
           | So can you edit your blog post to fix that?
        
             | fidelramos wrote:
             | Absolutely, I just uploaded the fix.
        
           | leephillips wrote:
           | Thanks for putting together your article. It's useful and
           | informative, and a generous effort on your part.
        
             | fidelramos wrote:
             | Thank you for your kind words, much appreciated!
        
         | dylan604 wrote:
         | I think I've seen this SNL skit of Sean Connery:
         | 
         | I'll take RawTheRapee for $500 Alex.
        
         | gjm11 wrote:
         | The section of the TeXbook (the user manual for Knuth's TeX
         | typesetting system) that talks about hyphenation has the
         | lovely/horrible example of "the-rapists pre-aching on wee-
         | knights".
        
       | tripu wrote:
       | Very useful, thanks!
        
         | fidelramos wrote:
         | Glad you liked it! :)
        
       | 120photo wrote:
       | I am going to plug Andy Astbury's YouTube channel here,
       | specifically his fantastic RawTherapee tutorials. Where Adobe,
       | MS, and other big companies thrive is the amount of high quality
       | training and tutorials for inferior software. RawTherapee is an
       | amazing piece of software that is hard to use with limited
       | learning resources (compared to Adobe or Capture One) but people
       | like Andy are fixing some of that.
       | 
       | Edit: Forgot to add a link https://youtu.be/310rCQZe0NI
        
         | traceroute66 wrote:
         | > Where Adobe, MS, and other big companies thrive is the amount
         | of high quality training and tutorials for inferior software.
         | 
         | I'm afraid I don't buy this unfounded muck-slinging.
         | 
         | I know the open-source evangelists live in a rose tinted world
         | where open-source automatically equals better.
         | 
         | However I think its only fair and reasonable to admit that it
         | is possible to make high quality closed-source software.
         | 
         | Specifically, in terms of Adobe, I think it is deeply unfair
         | and unfounded to call it "inferior". There is, for example,
         | high-levels of integration between Adobe tools that is simply
         | not present in open-source.
         | 
         | Ultimately money talks. December 2021 there were 26 million
         | Adobe Creative Suite subscribers and growing. If Adobe was that
         | shit, do you really think people would continue paying them ?
         | 
         | I know some people running companies in the design sector
         | (larger companies, not one-man band freelancers), Adobe is a
         | necessary business expense, they pay it because they want it,
         | because time is money, and if their designers get the job done
         | better, quicker and more efficiently in Adobe then they will
         | pay the subscription. (Oh, and to address your specific point,
         | the designers spend exactly zero hours watching training and
         | tutorials on the Adobe website).
        
           | jknecht wrote:
           | I will also add that, for photographers, there is bundle from
           | Adobe that I consider to be a tremendous value. For about
           | $10/month (where I live, it's easy to spend more than that on
           | a single drink in a bar), I get access to both LightRoom and
           | Photoshop. I've tried open source alternatives, and they are
           | good, but none of them are necessarily better than the Adobe
           | product.
           | 
           | I hate the fact that I am paying for yet another
           | subscription, but in this case, over the course of 5 years, I
           | am just barely paying the retail price of the old CD-based
           | product. So (a) I don't feel like I'm being fleeced, and (b)
           | I get to spread the payments out without really paying more.
           | 
           | Every time I've tried moving into the world of FOSS
           | photography, I've wasted dozens of hours trying to figure out
           | how to do relatively simple things, modifying and tweaking
           | configurations, or completely removing and reinstalling
           | because an update broke something that should have never
           | broken. I work in software, so I'm not exactly a dummy on
           | this stuff; and I know that sometimes that's just part of the
           | deal - especially in a world where you get what you pay for.
           | 
           | In the end, I had to decide whether I wanted my hobby time to
           | be focused on working with my photos or working with my
           | software. And that is why I happily pay.
        
             | bpye wrote:
             | I've tried open source photo editing before, and honestly,
             | the editing experience is pretty good. I've always
             | struggled to match Lightroom for library management
             | however, even if Lightroom doesn't deal with my network
             | drive properly (it _always_ thinks it 's out of sync). And
             | so, like you, I've always ended up going back to Adobe's
             | photography plan.
             | 
             | I would really love to use open source tools instead, the
             | network drive bug is very annoying and not being able to
             | run on Linux is pretty unfortunate. The overall process
             | just ends up being quicker with Lightroom than Darktable or
             | RawTherapee though :(
        
             | igouy wrote:
             | > whether I wanted my hobby time to be focused on working
             | with my photos or working with my software.
             | 
             | Exactly.
             | 
             | I aggressively delete most images as-soon-as they are on
             | the file system. (Is this image worth my time?) So less of
             | an image management problem.
             | 
             | I use ~5% of what RawTherapee provides, because I no longer
             | struggle to make OK pictures from flawed images. Instead I
             | make pictures I like from OK images.
        
           | 120photo wrote:
           | 1) > (Oh, and to address your specific point, the designers
           | spend exactly zero hours watching training and tutorials on
           | the Adobe website).
           | 
           | Yes, most of the time when you know your tools you will not
           | spend much time going through training material, but if you
           | needed to there are plenty of options and not just from
           | Adobe. If you want to learn and get started there are plenty
           | more options.
           | 
           | 2) > I know the open-source evangelists live in a rose tinted
           | world where open-source automatically equals better.
           | 
           | I don't recall stating that OSS = better, but in many cases
           | it is. RawTherapee may not be as easy to use compared to
           | Lightroom of Capture One but if used properly you can achieve
           | superior results. One closed source RAW processor I can think
           | of that lacks much training material but achieves great
           | results in Raw Photo Processor (better than LR of RT in many
           | ways). GIMP is great but until they can implement Adjustment
           | layers it will never be a good alternative to Photoshop. IMO
           | PhotoLine is much better than Photoshop in many ways, but
           | also lack much training material or a large budget (being
           | developed by two brothers in Germany). I can keep going.
           | 
           | I should add to my original comment that the amount of
           | training and getting a product out for users to use is major
           | for a company to succeed. Adobe and Microsoft have done a
           | great job at getting their products in front of students and
           | making sure they are comfortable with their products before
           | going into the working world.
        
             | unfocussed_mike wrote:
             | > GIMP is great but until they can implement Adjustment
             | layers it will never be a good alternative to Photoshop.
             | 
             | GIMP is not great _until_ it has adjustment layers.
             | 
             | In the meantime, nobody on a budget should be using
             | Photoshop when Affinity Photo is so inexpensive (and
             | significantly better than Photoshop in a couple of
             | important ways).
        
               | 120photo wrote:
               | Affinity is great but there is also not as much training
               | as PS, but for the price it is worth having. One thing
               | that Affinity and PhotoLine can do that PS can't is make
               | curves adjustments in the Lab color space without having
               | to change the entire document from RGB to Lab. I am sure
               | there are plenty of other things XYZ apps do better than
               | PS, but I will say this again, PS has so much training
               | and tutorials out there which save you time.
               | 
               | To be fair to GIMP, I used PS back to when adjustment
               | layers were not a thing. The work that team does is
               | amazing and I give them props (though I still would love
               | to see adjustment layers).
        
               | unfocussed_mike wrote:
               | > One thing that Affinity and PhotoLine can do that PS
               | can't is make curves adjustments in the Lab color space
               | without having to change the entire document from RGB to
               | Lab.
               | 
               | Yeah, this is super-useful. Also the layer blend curves
               | are amazingly useful, particularly combined with live
               | filter layers. And it can do LUT inference (e.g. from
               | HALD CLUT images). I use that all the time.
               | 
               | > To be fair to GIMP, I used PS back to when adjustment
               | layers were not a thing.
               | 
               | So did I, but GIMP has existed for almost as long as
               | adjustment layers in PS! And for all that time they've
               | refused to prioritise something that IMO is
               | transformative in photoshop; it's the basis of non-
               | destructive editing.
        
         | atestu wrote:
         | Link: https://www.youtube.com/c/AndyAstbury
        
       | jmmv wrote:
       | Thanks for the article.
       | 
       | Any thoughts on how to deal with DNG files?
       | 
       | A few years ago, I bought into Apple's "DNG promise" and
       | converted all my raw photos into lossless DNGs AND my JPEGs into
       | lossy DNGs. Silly me. I now feel trapped into Lightroom, which I
       | pay for out of inertia and wouldn't like to any longer... and I
       | feel that such conversion was a huge mistake.
       | 
       | The reason I ask is because I've found support for DNG files to
       | be lacking in many cases, and when I researched this recently,
       | the answers didn't seem better than years ago. The article
       | doesn't talk about this at all. So I'd love to be proven wrong :)
        
         | Zak wrote:
         | DNG is supported by most open source RAW developers, e.g.
         | Darktable. I'm assuming you've had some issue more subtle than
         | inability to find a program roughly equivalent to Lightroom
         | that has general support for the format, but you may need to
         | elaborate if you want useful responses.
        
           | jmmv wrote:
           | To be honest, I haven't yet put any serious effort into
           | figuring out how to abandon Lightroom. At most... I just did
           | a few searches for a couple of programs I already knew about
           | and looked at whether they supported DNG. Most comments I
           | found online sounded negative (but again, my research was too
           | superficial). I didn't even know Darktable existed for
           | example!
           | 
           | I am a very light Lightroom user. I have thousands of
           | pictures, but mostly use Lightroom to categorize them and do
           | some trivial edits here and there. The pictures are already
           | organized in a tree structure with sidecar XMP (?) metadata
           | files, so I don't think the LR catalog has a ton of
           | information I care about anyway?
           | 
           | I'd be nice to have a pure file-system based catalog that
           | separates edits from originals in some way, and that keeps
           | photo metadata attached to the photos themselves.
           | 
           | But I guess my question remains: is it a good idea to
           | continue "investing" into DNG by converting new photos into
           | it, or is it better to "stop the bleeding"? Because from what
           | I have read before, this format didn't seem too well-
           | supported outside of Adobe apps...
        
             | Zak wrote:
             | Darktable and RawTherapee are fairly Lightroom-like (but
             | different enough that you shouldn't be surprised when
             | things are, well, different), but Filmulator might actually
             | be the best fit for your preferences.
             | 
             | Regardless, the best way to get an answer to your question
             | about DNG is probably to try some of these programs with
             | your files and see if you encounter any problems. DNG is
             | typically _better_ supported than camera-specific raw
             | formats.
        
             | npteljes wrote:
             | I'd say to keep adding to your DNG collection as is,
             | because if you switch and you need to convert, 1-2% extra
             | images won't hurt. RawTherapee is also a RAW image
             | processing software that can help, instead of Darkroom, or
             | maybe just to convert your DNGs to whatever other raw
             | format Darkroom likes.
        
         | mod50ack wrote:
         | DNG is an open format. RawTherapee reads DNGs natively.
        
       | Fwirt wrote:
       | One interesting thing to note about open-source vs commercial
       | software when it comes to RAW conversion is that commercial
       | offerings like Adobe CS, CaptureOne and Affinity Photo sometimes
       | have a relationship with camera manufacturers to get access to
       | their proprietary demosaicing algorithm for their camera's
       | sensors. These algorithms are also embedded in the camera
       | firmware and are responsible for converting the RAW sensor data
       | into something resembling an image. Thus, when you view a RAW
       | file in the camera (or a JPEG straight off the camera), or in a
       | commercial offering, you're getting an image that looks more like
       | what the manufacturer of the camera intended. Likely that's what
       | they used in-house when developing the camera software. So
       | whether or not you trust the camera company to do the best job of
       | demosaicing their own sensor is up to you, but if you use open-
       | source software you're still going to get great images, but
       | they're never going to look exactly like the JPEGs you get off
       | the camera. If you're a professional this probably doesn't
       | matter, but for an amateur who just wants to shoot RAW to take
       | great lossless photos and be able to do some tweaking in post-
       | processing it can be frustrating.
       | 
       | For Canon at least, their in-house raw converter/photo editor is
       | available for free (Canon Digital Photo Professional) and while
       | its features are definitely not quite as good as either free or
       | commercial offerings, its features are (for a total amateur like
       | me) "good enough", and it will produce images that are identical
       | to what comes off the camera. Plus you can save some of the raw
       | processing steps that you did to a profile that you can load onto
       | the camera and use in the field, so if you're shooting to JPEG
       | you can bake in some of that processing ahead of time.
        
         | throwanem wrote:
         | > if you use open-source software you're still going to get
         | great images
         | 
         | Not necessarily. My D500's raws look OK in Darktable, but my
         | D850's were awful last time I tried it, noisy and with patches
         | of weird color casts.
         | 
         | I didn't try very hard to fix it, because I like Lightroom's
         | functionality and UI a lot better anyway. Maybe they've
         | successfully reverse-engineered the format by now, and I
         | respect their work immensely no matter that it doesn't work for
         | me, but especially with relatively new or relatively high-end
         | cameras there is no guarantee of good FOSS support for raw
         | formats.
        
         | fleddr wrote:
         | "So whether or not you trust the camera company to do the best
         | job of demosaicing their own sensor is up to you, but if you
         | use open-source software you're still going to get great
         | images, but they're never going to look exactly like the JPEGs
         | you get off the camera. If you're a professional this probably
         | doesn't matter, but for an amateur who just wants to shoot RAW
         | to take great lossless photos and be able to do some tweaking
         | in post-processing it can be frustrating."
         | 
         | I don't really see the distinction between amateurs and
         | professionals here. I think both want the RAW starting point
         | (after import) to look the way it was rendered in-camera.
         | 
         | I think it's a myth that professionals "want" a bland starting
         | point and customize everything. The ideal workflow is that your
         | RAW looks the same as in-camera, and then you use the power of
         | RAW to customize. That's quite different from having a neutral
         | RAW and trying to reconstruct everything.
        
           | Fwirt wrote:
           | I meant that a professional likely has an end goal in mind
           | for developing an exposure and can use any software to obtain
           | the result they want, whereas an amateur is likely more
           | reliant on the software to provide sane defaults that look
           | good enough. I don't think professionals necessarily want a
           | bland starting point, but they probably end up straying so
           | far from the default settings anyway that having a different
           | starting point is less of a hindrance to them.
           | 
           | Aside from that, the default settings and processing that the
           | manufacturer applies may be undesirable for someone pursuing
           | a more realistic and less "filtered for focus groups" result.
           | All photography is illusion, but some want more control over
           | the illusion. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMMogOoWEbI
        
         | notyourday wrote:
         | > One interesting thing to note about open-source vs commercial
         | software when it comes to RAW conversion is that commercial
         | offerings like Adobe CS, CaptureOne and Affinity Photo
         | sometimes have a relationship with camera manufacturers to get
         | access to their proprietary demosaicing algorithm for their
         | camera's sensors.
         | 
         | This is absolutely true even for Nikons and Canons of the
         | world.
         | 
         | I'm always baffled about the obsession with open source for
         | photo editing workflows on a desktop. From "I just want to get
         | stuff done" OSS is just junk. It is a better junk than it was
         | before, but it is still junk. And why would not it be? It is
         | all about optimizing for the experience and there's not a
         | single piece of open source software that is optimized for
         | user's experience. Why on earth do we think this -- a fairly
         | complex type of software -- would be any different if we cannot
         | get _themes_ in GNOME work consistently?
        
           | uuyi wrote:
           | After battling with Linux on the desktop periodically for a
           | couple of decades I came to the same conclusion. All the
           | boring problems like consistency and stability are never
           | solved. Only new problems written. I gave up and went to Mac.
           | It's not perfect but it's less imperfect.
           | 
           | However I will say that Lightroom is horrible and I hate it.
           | Only because of the memory gobbling and the persistent cost
           | until I'm dead.
           | 
           | As I'm not a professional I settled on Apple Photos and
           | Pixelmator Pro for when I bend Photos too far. This is good
           | enough and doesn't come with the persistent cost issues
           | associated with subscriptions and paying for lots of RAM.
           | Also works entirely offline or online if you need it to.
        
       | spaetzleesser wrote:
       | I have a similar workflow but with darktable. Rawtherapee has an
       | easier interface but last time I checked it didn't have local
       | adjustments which I need sometimes.
       | 
       | Once you understand the UI, digikam is fantastic.
        
       | Jiejeing wrote:
       | This is very interesting, my own workflow is with shotwell +
       | darktable but shotwell is a bit too limited for my usage.
        
       | unfocussed_mike wrote:
       | Syncthing is really underrated. Clever, cute little bit of
       | software.
       | 
       | Darktable is a bad user experience on the Mac but it's definitely
       | capable of good results, as is Rawtherapee.
       | 
       | But I generally don't use open source stuff for photography; I
       | have sunk expense in Mac software and I'll use that until it
       | breaks.
        
       | digitallyfree wrote:
       | I prefer Darktable over Rawtherapee, but both are great open-
       | source RAW development programs. LR is obviously more fully
       | featured but for amateur or semi-pro they are more than
       | acceptable.
        
         | Derbasti wrote:
         | There's a lot of mud-flinging in this thread about the
         | superiority of this software or that.
         | 
         | Frankly, this is all BS. All of these softwares are capable of
         | producing professional results. The difference is made by the
         | _user_ , not the software. Learn one of them; any one of them.
         | Learn it well. The individual choice in the end is just a
         | preference, but does not determine quality. You do. Thankfully.
         | 
         | (That's a bit like modern cameras. They are all great. They are
         | all capable of professional results. The individual choice in
         | the end doesn't matter.)
        
           | KarlKode wrote:
           | Well to take your argument and show its downfall you can
           | argue that you can achieve the same result with a hex editor.
           | The difference between the tools is how you get to the
           | result. You're right that the capabilities of the user are
           | usually the more limiting factor but allowing the user to
           | achieve a certain output in an intuitive way can be
           | magnitudes more complicated that developing the required
           | (technical) feature-set.
        
         | vaidhy wrote:
         | It is the other way, IMHO. As an amateur, my photos are not
         | pixel perfect. I depend a lot of Topaz to sharpen the image and
         | remove noise. My LR is mostly around adjusting the basic
         | parameters which I can do in Darktable/RawTherapee. However,
         | the new masking capabilities in LR has been a big boon where I
         | can easily select the subject/sky and make adjustments.
         | 
         | I expect that the professionals take better pictures straight
         | out of camera and need less adjustments while the dabblers like
         | me need more post processing help. Now, I am struck on a loop
         | with Topaz and LR and cannot switch out of windows (or mac).
        
           | mguerville wrote:
           | Capture One has free versions that have missing features but
           | offer good masking, I used to pay for LR and switched to C1
           | with minimal impact (the healing brush isn't as good)
        
         | vanderZwan wrote:
         | > _LR is obviously more fully featured_
         | 
         | IIRC there have been a few times when CS researchers working on
         | image algorithms published their findings with a Darktable
         | implementation first.
        
           | moolcool wrote:
           | I can't speak to lightroom, but I found that CaptureOne
           | renders Sony RAWs much better out-of-the-box than either
           | Darktable or RawTherapee.
        
             | paulmd wrote:
             | Yes. "Open-source workflow" means you're leaving quality on
             | the table.
             | 
             | This is one place where there's just no replacement to
             | hiring engineers to sit down and work on the product for a
             | few years. The open-source stuff is nowhere close to
             | CaptureOne or Lightroom in terms of quality of RAW
             | conversion or the quality of the image processing.
        
               | Melatonic wrote:
               | I found CaptureOne to beat out all of Adobes stuff by
               | quite a bit as well
        
               | paulmd wrote:
               | I haven't used it but I hear very very good things.
               | 
               | Does CaptureOne support a "RAW+sidecar metadata" format?
               | It is important to me that the raws not be modified (i.e.
               | metadata not written directly to them) and that the
               | metadata be a per-file sidecar and not just a single
               | giant catalog file. Lightroom seems to support this
               | workflow but others didn't seem to (or at least didn't
               | explicitly state they did).
               | 
               | That would be the ideal workflow for me in terms of
               | generating useful catalogs and making backups smooth.
        
               | Melatonic wrote:
               | It definitely does yes and that is the default.
               | CaptureOne is basically the highest tier of the
               | proprietary photo editing apps out there. You do not need
               | one of their very expensive medium format cameras to use
               | it
        
               | moolcool wrote:
               | > You do not need one of their very expensive medium
               | format cameras to use it
               | 
               | Not only that, but they also have an extensive collection
               | of camera profiles and lens corrections for pretty much
               | every vendor. Their support for Sony and Fuji are
               | particularly great.
        
               | fidelramos wrote:
               | OP here.
               | 
               | > "Open-source workflow" means you're leaving quality on
               | the table.
               | 
               | That is true, but my choice of software is not uni-
               | dimensional, I also care about trusting the software I
               | run in my computer and their maintainability in the long
               | term, to highlight two other important dimensions for me.
               | When considering all this together I have little choice
               | but to use free software exclusively.
               | 
               | Of course different people will assign different weights
               | to each dimension, and that is completely fine, but let's
               | not oversimplify the decision to just "quality".
        
         | jillesvangurp wrote:
         | Same here. However, I'd argue that Lightroom is probably easier
         | to use but Darktable at this point has much more features and
         | depending on how skilled you are at using it also gives you
         | more fine-grained control and more options to do the same
         | things that Lightroom does.
         | 
         | Using Darktable has gotten easier over time. But it definitely
         | has some things that are probably not that intuitive for new
         | users. The lack of features and opinionated nature of Lightroom
         | might be considered a feature for some but I don't think there
         | is anything specific that it does that doesn't have at least
         | several alternatives in Darktable at this point. We can haggle
         | about the quality of the algorithms on either side of course.
         | I'm pretty happy with what Darktable does here and it seems it
         | has developers that are really obsessive on this front. Check
         | e.g. lead developer Aurelian Pierre's youtube channel for some
         | in depth discussion of what Darktable does and why it works the
         | way it works.
         | 
         | The transition to the so-called the scene referred work flow in
         | Darktable in recent years has made my workflow a lot simpler.
         | But it is also something that has a bit of a learning curve.
         | 
         | Scene referred means that instead of applying some one size
         | fits all curve based on your camera model, it actually looks at
         | your photo and applies the exposure and filmic modules which
         | together will try to fit the curve for each photo using some
         | heuristics and nice algorithms. The result is typically pretty
         | good out of the box and any further tweaks tend to be
         | straightforward.
         | 
         | A typical workflow for me in Darktable works like so:
         | 
         | - import photos and move them to the right place. I'm not big
         | on tagging, so I tend to skip that.
         | 
         | - apply some initial star ratings in the lighttable section so
         | I can focus on the ones I like the most.
         | 
         | - after initial screening, anything below 2 stars gets hidden
         | and I start editing.
         | 
         | - I open the photos for editing one by one and let Darktable
         | apply its defaults (and my overrides). For example, my Fuji
         | requires +1.25 stops exposure correction as it tends to
         | underexpose to avoid blowing highlights and I have a preset for
         | this that auto applies. Auto applied settings and copy pasting
         | parts of a history stack or applying them as styles is one of
         | many workflow enhancements that allow you to be productive in
         | Darktable. Worth reading up on if you have a lot of photos to
         | process.
         | 
         | - I tweak the exposure defaults manually to set the gray point.
         | The nice thing with this is that filmic adjusts black and white
         | points accordingly. You can think of this as an intelligent way
         | to set the brightness.
         | 
         | - tweak filmic parameters if still needed (quite often this is
         | not needed). I do typically apply some contrast but not a lot.
         | This is also the place to deal with highlight recovery if that
         | is needed.
         | 
         | - Crop & rotate as needed. You can do this at any point of
         | course but I like to get this out of the way early.
         | 
         | - decide if I want lens correction and local contrast modules
         | turned on. Not every photo needs this. Lens correction is nice
         | for wide angle photos. Local contrast can be nice but I try not
         | to over use it.
         | 
         | - Deal with any color issues and saturation as needed. There
         | are various modules for this, including a few recent additions
         | that work well with the scene referred work flow. Mostly
         | Darktable does the right things here and I don't actually need
         | to do a lot here. But I do like the new perceptive saturation
         | slider in the color balance module.
         | 
         | - Apply other modules as needed; I tend to be conservative with
         | this. For example noise reduction is sometimes nice and
         | profiled noise reduction does a good job out of the box but
         | sometimes when noise is really a problem there are alternative
         | strategies to explore.
         | 
         | - export everything with 2 stars or more as jpg & upload it
         | some place for publishing
        
           | test1235 wrote:
           | Can you use darktable without the import step?
           | 
           | The place where I store my RAW files is not where I work on
           | them - I'll typically copy them from a memory card to my
           | machine, do whatever processing, then shift them away to
           | storage, so I find the whole idea of a 'library' unecessary.
        
           | dantondwa wrote:
           | Yep, I work exactly in the same way with Darktable and I
           | really enjoy it. Once you get it, it's quite straight forward
           | and I'm really happy with the results!
        
       | corndoge wrote:
       | Never heard of rawtherapee, looks dope. Like others I use
       | Darktable, which is especially awesome because it allows me to
       | directly export to a new album on my Piwigo server. If you
       | publish photos Piwigo is awesome too.
        
       | jrapdx3 wrote:
       | It was film in the old days, but all digital since early 2000's.
       | I've always preferred open source software which has really come
       | a _long_ way since GIMP and friends were in their infancy. My
       | workflow has evolved over the years to suit my uses of
       | photography. Mostly photos are raw material and highly
       | manipulated for artistic purposes.
       | 
       | For my purposes jpegs have usually been good enough so I seldom
       | need to do raw processing. For those times I have Darktable and
       | RawTherapee installed, both are incredible programs that have
       | worked well for me.
       | 
       | GIMP continues to be a primary tool. It's not perfect but it does
       | many things extremely well. For example, making color separations
       | for CMYK printing is pretty easy and straightforward. GIMP also
       | allows effective image manipulation, particularly when plugins
       | are added: gmic, cyan, resynthesizer, autosave.
       | 
       | Workflow also relies on other FOSS programs such as Scribus (for
       | printing positives) and occasionally inkscape, krita, paint.net
       | for certain image effects. Yes, it takes time and effort to work
       | out components of a custom workflow.
       | 
       | I have no doubt proprietary programs offer greater levels of
       | convenience (for "standard" workflow) at significant monetary
       | cost. Like everything else tradeoffs are implicit, one approach
       | isn't absolutely "better" than the other.
        
       | fleddr wrote:
       | Since you cannot really re-take photos and the author has decades
       | of photos, I'd be more paranoid about backups and extend it with
       | one low tech option.
       | 
       | Sync mechanisms can go wrong. Somebody might hack into your cloud
       | storage account and wipe it out. The odds may be small, but you'd
       | be absolutely heart broken if your lifelong portfolio is gone.
       | 
       | So what I do is that once a year, I manually back up everything
       | on a USB disc. On two actually, the second disc I bring to
       | another location. Once backed up, I never have them connected.
       | They just sit in storage.
       | 
       | Since this manual backup is so infrequent, it's not a huge pain.
       | Should full disaster strike and all hot backups fail, at worst I
       | lose 1 year of photos, which is better than 20 years.
       | 
       | If you think I'm too distrustful of sync tech: a year ago at work
       | OneDrive wiped out all my files. I've pressed internal IT and
       | Microsoft itself for answers, but none were given but this:
       | OneDrive is a sync solution, not a backup solution.
       | 
       | Point taken.
        
         | fidelramos wrote:
         | OP here.
         | 
         | You make a great point, and I am that careful with my photo
         | collection. I didn't put it in the article but I do copy my
         | full photo collection into a USB hard drive about once a year
         | when I visit my parents. This way they have my photos and I
         | have yet another backup. :)
        
       | NKosmatos wrote:
       | Very useful, thanks for sharing Fidel! Just to note that this
       | guide is Linux focused but most of the tools, except Geeqie, are
       | also available for Windows (and macOS of course). He's also
       | covering replication/synchronization with the excellent Syncthing
       | (+1 vote from my side) as well as backup with Wasabi (being
       | cheaper than Backblaze). And to top it of, here is what he states
       | about an online viewer: "I am currently working on creating a web
       | gallery software that will give access to my full photography
       | collection and allow navigating it...I will release the software
       | as open source when its basic features are working, so stay
       | tuned!"
        
         | fidelramos wrote:
         | Glad you liked it!
         | 
         | About the web gallery project, this being Hacker News I would
         | like to give some more details about it: I have implemented a
         | React frontend and FastAPI backend, navigating through the
         | albums and photos already work, but thumbnails won't display
         | because Digikam uses PGF image format [0]. PGF images are great
         | for thumbnails because images load progressivel and can be
         | quickly rendered at different sizes, but they are not supported
         | natively by web browsers. I'm going to try compiling libpgf [1]
         | to WASM so the frontend will be able to display the Digikam
         | thumbnails directly (and allow for on-the-fly thumbnail
         | resizing!), otherwise I will need to handle the conversion in
         | backend.
         | 
         | Once thumbnails work I will deploy it on my home server,
         | dogfood it for a while, polish a few things and release it. Of
         | course Hacker News will get an announcement.
         | 
         | [0] https://www.libpgf.org/
         | 
         | [1] https://sourceforge.net/projects/libpgf/
        
       | jimnotgym wrote:
       | Do any of these OSS tools allow you to apply colour management?
       | That is applying DNG or ICC profiles to images?
        
         | q3k wrote:
         | darktable does.
         | 
         | https://darktable.gitlab.io/doc/en/color_management.html
        
         | igouy wrote:
         | https://rawpedia.rawtherapee.com/Color_Management
         | 
         | https://rawpedia.rawtherapee.com/Color_Management_addon
         | 
         | https://rawpedia.rawtherapee.com/ICC_Profile_Creator
        
       | CarVac wrote:
       | I wrote my own one-program, more-streamlined workflow for this,
       | Filmulator.
        
       | lostgame wrote:
       | I would like to see a list of these for all sorts of different
       | workflows!
       | 
       | Also - holy _shit_ , RawTheRapee needs a new/different name, eh?
       | I'm guessing/hoping English is not the creator's first language?
       | :3
       | 
       | Edit: Apparently, it's 'RawTherapee' - as in 'RAW therapy' - not
       | 'Raw the Rape'. It actually took me until Googling it and seeing
       | it that way that I got it. Maybe it should've just been called
       | RawTherapy? :/
        
         | hbn wrote:
         | "Okay, Lindsay, are you forgetting that I was a professional
         | twice over? An analyst and a therapist. The world's first
         | analrapist."
        
       | Vegaltden wrote:
       | > _File grouping means that by default Geeqie will only show the
       | JPEG file of each photo, while the RAW file and potential
       | sidecars (e.g. XMP or PP3) are hidden away, but still only one
       | click away. Then when a file is deleted all the files in the same
       | group are deleted as well. Sidecar grouping works well by
       | default, but if necessary it can be tweaked it in Preferences_
       | 
       | I would be interested in reading OP's approach with sidecars, and
       | how he configured Digikam for storing metadata (in file or in
       | sidecar ? How does the two communicate between Digikam and
       | Rawtherapee/Darktable ?)
        
         | fidelramos wrote:
         | OP here. I honestly don't worry too much about full sync
         | between Digikam and other software. In my workflow I process
         | all RAWs first, then edit all metadata in Digikam. After that I
         | very rarely have to come back to RawTherapee/Darktable so I
         | treat it as a one-way flow.
         | 
         | Last time I checked about keeping Digikam and other programs in
         | sync, about 2 years ago, it seemed to me that it wasn't going
         | to work seamlessly, so I decided to let it be. If someone has
         | experience about it I would love to hear about it.
        
       | corbet wrote:
       | I recently did close looks at both RawTherapee
       | (https://lwn.net/Articles/883599/) and darktable
       | (https://lwn.net/Articles/881853/) for anybody interested in a
       | comparison. One point worthy of note is that the RawTherapee
       | development community has been struggling, which could be a long-
       | term problem.
        
         | Tobu wrote:
         | ART -- Another RawTherapee -- could be addressing this, with
         | recent releases: https://bitbucket.org/agriggio/art
        
           | fidelramos wrote:
           | I had seen some mentions to ART a while ago, it looks like it
           | has come a long way. I see several features that I was
           | missing from Darktable (automatic perspective correction,
           | improved shadows-midtones-highlights handling, masks...), I
           | definitely need to give it a try. Thanks for sharing!
        
       | notyourday wrote:
       | I prefer to spend my time shooting rather than fighting with a
       | software.
        
       | midiguy wrote:
       | The fact that 5 different open-source software are required to do
       | the same thing as Lightroom has convinced me to stick with Adobe.
        
       | toastal wrote:
       | I didn't see Hugin, but it should have been mentioned. It
       | produces some amazing results for stitching panoramas, focus
       | stacking, or man other techniques that require multiple photos.
        
         | igouy wrote:
         | ICE magically easy to use --
         | 
         | https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/product/computation...
        
         | fidelramos wrote:
         | OP here.
         | 
         | I do use Hugin for panoramas, and it's fantastic. I was going
         | to write a bonus section about it but I wanted to get the post
         | out of the way as I had been working on it for too long
         | already. I will add it in a future update.
        
       | cycomanic wrote:
       | I still find lightzones editing model the most intuitive and at
       | the same time extremely powerful. Unfortunately development is
       | extremely slow and it has not seen significant functionality
       | updates since it was made oss, and is quite slow in comparison to
       | the others.
        
       | smm11 wrote:
       | I've got no dog in this fight, but when I was getting paid for
       | photos long ago I used something called Breeze Browser to do just
       | about everything. Nothing did batch processing nearly as well.
        
       | dantondwa wrote:
       | I personally just use Darktable, and I'm incredibly happy with
       | it. It's just a fantastic software and we're lucky to have for
       | free.
       | 
       | Kudos to all the developers making free-software photography a
       | reality!
        
         | Saris wrote:
         | I like Darktable, but for the life of me I cannot figure out
         | how to get defringe working. It's completely intuitive in
         | lightroom and rawtherapee, but for some reason darktable just
         | doesn't do what I want.
        
           | jumaro wrote:
           | Not sure if it helps you, since you seem like you already
           | tried a lot. I was confused about the different ways to do
           | this, so I wrote down the ways I found:
           | https://makandracards.com/darktable/477993-remove-
           | chromatic-...
        
         | sound1 wrote:
         | Darktable is an incredible piece of software, especially
         | considering it is free and open source. Thank you developers!!
        
         | fidelramos wrote:
         | +1! Darktable is simply amazing. I also use it, just on
         | specific photos. RawTherapee gives me good results for the bulk
         | of my photos in less time, which for me it's an important
         | constraint.
         | 
         | In the end it's just great having multiple top-tier free-
         | software options for photo editing, a big thank you to all
         | their developers!
        
           | jumaro wrote:
           | Somehow I missed when RawTherapee added the feature for bulk
           | editing. Thanks for pointing that out in your article. Maybe
           | I should give RawTherapee a new try :)
        
       | teeray wrote:
       | Any good recommendations for video workflows? I'm really not
       | excited about paying a tithe to Adobe just for my hobby drone
       | flying.
        
         | Scene_Cast2 wrote:
         | Not OSS, but the free version of Davinci Resolve is pretty
         | great.
        
           | _joel wrote:
           | Agreed, there's also https://kdenlive.org/en/ which is OSS
        
             | seanw444 wrote:
             | And also Shotcut.
        
             | smoldesu wrote:
             | I actually kinda love Kdenlive. It's not half as powerful
             | as something like Davinci Resolve, but it's been a
             | consistently wonderful experience every time I need to
             | splice together a couple clips or composite a video. Now if
             | only it could get more NLE features...
        
         | fidelramos wrote:
         | I'm much more of a photographer than a videographer, but I have
         | used Openshot [0] and KDEnlive [1] and they got the job done.
         | 
         | [0] https://www.openshot.org/
         | 
         | [1] https://kdenlive.org/en/
        
       | shrubby wrote:
       | Thank you. I'm not taking too many photos these days with a real
       | camera or shoot RAW, but this'll come handy should the day come
       | again.
        
       | manaskarekar wrote:
       | I have played with these in the past and found that rawtherapee
       | results look far less appealing (or need far more effort than
       | what I was willing to invest) than Adobe Lightroom for non
       | trivial settings.
       | 
       | I wonder how things compare now.
       | 
       | It is great that these softwares are offered for free though.
        
       | sandreas wrote:
       | Very nice article. I'm suprised, that nobody mentioned
       | photoprism[1]... It does deduplicate and provide a nice web
       | interface for browsing and searching photos as well as a very
       | powerful AI for object detection...
       | 
       | [1] https://photoprism.app/
        
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