[HN Gopher] Twitter Bluesky: A Self-Authenticating Social Protocol ___________________________________________________________________ Twitter Bluesky: A Self-Authenticating Social Protocol Author : wmf Score : 47 points Date : 2022-04-06 21:23 UTC (1 hours ago) (HTM) web link (blueskyweb.xyz) (TXT) w3m dump (blueskyweb.xyz) | renewiltord wrote: | Interested, but it seems a bit light on impl details. Presumably | too early? | wolverine876 wrote: | For those unaware, it is/was a project of Twitter's Jack Dorsey. | You can find many news stories covering it from when it was | announced. Here's one: | | https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/11/twitter-ceo-jack-dorsey-anno... | yosito wrote: | This rambling post from a web company I've never heard of touches | on some interesting theories and attractive buzzwords, but it's | overall main point is about as indecipherable as if the post had | been autogenerated by GPT3 using the headline as the prompt. My | unanswered questions are: who is Bluesky? What is their | relationship with Twitter? Are they developing a tangible | protocol that has concrete specifications, a roadmap, and path to | adoption? Or is this just a rambling blog post about some ideas | that could be applied to a social protocol? | [deleted] | iamstupidsimple wrote: | I believe it's part of (or at least funded by) Twitter: | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluesky_(protocol) | wolverine876 wrote: | It is/was a project of Jack Dorsey, Twitter CEO | | https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/11/twitter-ceo-jack-dorsey-anno... | [deleted] | whyrusleeping wrote: | Hello Fellow Internet User, In general, it is your own | responsibility to keep yourself informed when commenting on | something. The World Wide Web makes this easy with something | called a 'hyperlink', for example, the one at the top of the | article you read that says 'blog': https://blueskyweb.xyz/blog | yosito wrote: | The responsibility to communicate well does not fall on the | reader. This blog post did not communicate well. | wolverine876 wrote: | The parent comment, not the GP, is against HN guidelines. | Just downvote the GP and demonstrate appropriate | communication. | d4mi3n wrote: | I don't know anything about bluesky, but I applaud any initiative | that could provide a path away from the highly centralized web we | find ourselves in today. | | Also excited to see verifiable computation as an underpinning of | this particular initiative. It's a fun topic and technology I | haven't seen too broadly explored. | steve76 wrote: | rglullis wrote: | Forgive my cynicism, but it's been two years already since | bluesky was announced and all we see is the occasional update | from what seems a research project. Nothing really tangible is | released, no extension proposal to the existing protocols is | made, not one single proof-of-concept that shows "look, protocol | X can not do Y, so we implemented Z". | | Every update from them feels more and more like an elaborate PR | piece. Just some hot air to keep the illusion that Jack really | cares about decentralization. | mawise wrote: | The linked ecosystem overview[1] is a great exploration of the | space. However, there's no mention of IndieAuth[2] in the | exploration of decentralized and self-sovereign identity. I'd | love to better understand why it's been left out because it seems | really appealing in my own explorations of the space. | | [1] https://gitlab.com/bluesky-community1/decentralized- | ecosyste... | | [2] https://indieauth.net/ | jalcine wrote: | Strong agree. It would even allow for more seamless | transitioning between silos and sovereign identities. | muglug wrote: | There's no mention here of moderation, a key ingredient to any | social network of people who lack real-world ties to each other. | pfraze wrote: | It is, and we're talking with people who do trust & safety at | Twitter to make sure we're approaching it right. To be clear, | we're really in the early stages of the project. This post is | just the stuff we have a clear concept about, and even that's | just an early prototype (which we'll put on github soon). I | could talk about some of the approaches we're looking at for | moderation but it's just really early, and I don't want to talk | out the wrong end. All I can say is, we talk about it a lot. | ad404b8a372f2b9 wrote: | Could you also talk to the web team about re-adding the | vertical scrollbar? It's an important UI element. | jfengel wrote: | I really appreciate that you're at least thinking about it. | Community is a bit like security: you can't just layer it on | after building the "cool parts" of your system. The name | "trust & safety" makes the parallel even more clear. | | It's harder to set rigorous definitions for community than it | is for security. So it will likely change as the project | evolves. But if you ignore it entirely, and just hope it will | work itself out, you'll be in a continuous state of crisis- | fighting. | wolverine876 wrote: | I'd go further and say that our toxic social media environments | are a far more damaging, dangerous, and unsolved problem - | possibly more than litterly any problem in the world, IMHO - | than decentralized communication, and this project addresses | the latter. | | And I strongly believe in decentralized social media, far | prefer Usenet (RIP) to Twitter, and have from the start. But | it's a solvable problem (Signal is working toward it, Matrix, | existing solutions like Mastadon, etc.), they just need to | attract development investment and, most of all, the hardest | part, attract users. | | And Twitter seems to have bought into the toxicity, bringing in | one of the few leading popularizers and uses of that subculture | - trolling, mis- and disinformation, manipulation, corruption | of power, etc. - onto their board. And rather than | decentralizing power in our society, they've concentrated more | of it in the richest person in the world, who already adds to | that a cult of personality, and now has significant influence | over one of the largest public communication forums. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2022-04-06 23:00 UTC)