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NotepadNext: A cross-platform reimplementation of Notepad++
Author : Acrobatic_Road
Score : 254 points
Date : 2022-04-08 16:14 UTC (6 hours ago)
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| legrande wrote:
| Another (esoteric) editor I use for quick and dirty hacks on
| Windows is Notepad2[0]. It's a bare-bones drop-in replacement for
| the default notepad.exe on Windows, and has syntax highlighting.
|
| As for Linux, Pluma[1] is great too.
|
| [0] https://www.flos-freeware.ch/notepad2.html
|
| [1] https://community.linuxmint.com/software/view/pluma
| dspillett wrote:
| Notepad2 hasn't seen any updates since 2012. Unlikely to be a
| massive issue for a text editor if it is considered feature
| complete, though it might at least mean unfixed annoyances
| creep in and go unfixed with newer OS versions.
| ploxiln wrote:
| There have been a series of forks, for example:
| https://github.com/zufuliu/notepad2
|
| They seem to add a lot of features, though ... I'd be
| interested to find a more minimal one, which mostly just
| updates language syntaxes and OS support, and the thankless
| minor bug squashing ...
| Tijdreiziger wrote:
| Your first link is flagged as 'badware risk' by uBlock Origin.
|
| > Title: uBlock filters - Badware risks
|
| > Description: For sites documented to put users at risk of
| installing adware/crapware etc. The purpose is to at least
| ensure a user is warned of the risks ahead.
| legrande wrote:
| Thanks for pointing this out. Seems like the page just
| redirects to here: https://www.flos-freeware.ch/notepad2.html
|
| (I amended the URL)
| leeoniya wrote:
| Notepad3 is actively maintained and has many improvements, btw.
|
| https://github.com/rizonesoft/Notepad3
| ExpiredLink wrote:
| Wow, thank you! I'm still using Notepad2 from 2012.
| pers0n wrote:
| If you want this to take off, please provide compiled binaries
| for MacOS and Linux
| AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote:
| Compiled binaries for Linux x64 are available in the releases.
| Linux version is apparently packaged as an AppImage.
|
| https://github.com/dail8859/NotepadNext/releases/
| account-5 wrote:
| I've been looking for a Linux version of Notepad++ for what feels
| like years.
|
| I started learning vim but can't use it at work as I'm stuck on
| windows (which vim is rubbish on), and the way they (IT dept)
| installed it basically made it worse, so I never used it enough
| for it to be my go-to.
| Bigpet wrote:
| wxMEdit (formerly MadEdit) filled that niche for me for years.
| It does seem that recent versions do have some bugs that
| occasionally rear their head, but it's still very usable.
|
| At least it was for me, Using Notepad++ for editing config
| files, batch files, large sql stuff from time to time and the
| occasional binary. Including search and replace in a bunch of
| directories.
| Phelinofist wrote:
| I recently started using Notepadqq (https://notepadqq.com) and
| so far it is quite okay. It is not as sophisticated as
| Notepad++ but it does the job.
| afarviral wrote:
| I can find no compelling evidence that vim users are more
| efficient than non-vim users, and I have first-hand experience
| with the extra cognitive load of vim commands and and
| distracting config-fiddling... however, I learned vim and use
| vim-emulation in all the software I use which support it, just
| kind of a nasty habit which comes in handy for corner-cases
| like editing over SSH.
|
| Anyway, I was going to say gVim is lovely on windows, with a
| little customization and doesn't require admin privileges
| (though it will likely be contrary to your companies IT policy
| to side-load it). Other alternatives are using vim emulation in
| VSCode or one of the Jetbrains editors (probably the strongest
| candidate for vim emulation: IdeaVim).
| afarviral wrote:
| Notepad++ doesn't support vim emulation, at least when I last
| investigated. It's a solid editor, so it's a shame.
| rufus_foreman wrote:
| You could run Notepad++ with Wine.
| rubyist5eva wrote:
| I used to work with a greybeard that did exactly this, and it
| seemed to work very well for him!
| rufus_foreman wrote:
| I'm an old-school Linux user, and way back when I
| considered Wine to be sort of a joke. It's gotten better
| and better over the decades and it's been pretty impressive
| when I've used it recently.
| Tempest1981 wrote:
| > A cross-platform, reimplementation of Notepad++
|
| For Windows, how does this differ from Don Ho's original version?
| https://notepad-plus-plus.org/
|
| What is the vision/goal of this fork? The README is minimal.
| jeroenhd wrote:
| The original Notepad++ source code is written for the Windows
| API, built for Windows releases only. This project seems to be
| Qt-based, allowing cross platform development.
|
| It seems like someone thought "building a Notepad++ of my own
| seems like a nice idea" and went with it long enough for it to
| become quite a competent editor.
| riedel wrote:
| well, that is cross platform I guess?
| rubyist5eva wrote:
| This reminds of the guy I used to work with that used
| Notepad++ with Wine on Ubuntu as his primary editor and he
| seemed to get along just fine with it.
| ffhhj wrote:
| Nice to see this project, will try it out. When I moved from
| Windows 11 to Ubuntu I was really happy to find most of my daily
| use utilities in Linux or equivalents, but I was shocked there
| isn't a native version of Notepad++, its the kind of app you
| would expected to have multiple ports in several OSes. The
| version from Snap doesn't integrate well with Linux.
|
| The record and play macro feature is probably the most useful
| tool, I keep grabbing code from VStudio/JetBrains-based editors
| to refactor/format it in NP++. For me the future of text editors
| should go in the automated direction: "see these identifiers and
| strings, tabulate them in columns to make my code more readable,
| now convert this column of strings into identifiers with given
| prefix and camel case, and define them in that module."
| tfigment wrote:
| Notepad++ is a wrapper around scite using native windows apis
| or at least was years ago. Find a native editor using that
| library in same way such as SciTE itself.
| NGRhodes wrote:
| That would be Geany.
| themodelplumber wrote:
| I remember thinking this exact thing back in 2007! Shortly
| before discovering Kate and fish://. At the time I think I used
| regex and scripting instead of macros though.
| yumraj wrote:
| Qs: what's a good simple general purpose text editor for Mac,
| similar to Notepad++
|
| I've been using VSCode for this, especially since it saves
| buffers without me having to save to a file and would love one
| with this feature.
| fisher_S wrote:
| I used Notepad++ on Windows; now on MacOS I use TextMate. It's
| as simple and lightweight as Notepad++, and if I understand
| correctly, it has the save feature you're looking for. If you
| Command+Q without saving to a file, the contents will still be
| there the next time you start it.
| sigzero wrote:
| Just a few: - Kate - CudaText -
| Sublime Text - BBEdit
| maverick74 wrote:
| KWrite in next version 22.08 will basically be an extra-lite
| Kate, for those interested.
|
| https://kate-editor.org/post/2022/2022-03-31-kate-ate-
| kwrite...
|
| I don't know which one is better, however, Kate or
| Notepad++...
|
| Opinions?
| Narishma wrote:
| > KWrite in next version 22.08 will basically be an extra-
| lite Kate
|
| Wasn't that always the case?
| afarviral wrote:
| gVim (only on windows/linux) with a minimal config is my
| preferred. Fast but a few powerful built-in vim features like
| search, replace, syntax highlighting, spellchecking, auto-
| indent etc. It loads in about 1.5s on my machine and renders
| the text nicely.
|
| Maybe take a look at https://github.com/macvim-dev/macvim on
| mac, perhaps someone can comment about the state of macvim?
| nacs wrote:
| Sublime Text is really good.
|
| I use VS Code for development but Sublime handles large files
| much better (large JSONs, log files, etc) and loads much faster
| than VSC does.
| MBCook wrote:
| Look at BBEdit. It's been a standard on Mac for over 20 years.
|
| It's free by default with lots of great extra features that can
| be unlocked with a purchase.
| nicoco wrote:
| Kate?
| maverick74 wrote:
| Yeah!!!
|
| Kate is awesome!!!
|
| https://kate-editor.org
| pdenton wrote:
| Related project: https://github.com/notepadqq/notepadqq
| progre wrote:
| Love Notepad++ and I sometimes miss it on Linux. Are plugins from
| Notepad++ compatible with this?
| jeroenhd wrote:
| I haven't tried myself, but is there any reason why Notepad++
| wouldn't run on Wine? I don't think it accesses APIs obscure
| enough to run into usability bugs, does it?
| themodelplumber wrote:
| IMO if Roblox runs in Wine, Notepad++ should be no problem at
| all. But with just the right/wrong development decisions I
| suppose it's possible.
|
| (And then someone could probably look at building Notepad++
| in Roblox to ensure that it can be used in Linux :-))
| jeroenhd wrote:
| It'll have some small issues, of course. From what I can
| read online some plugins don't work because they rely on
| the Windows Script Host (the thing that runs JS and VBS
| scripts) and there's a performance issue here and there,
| but that's about it.
|
| The thing about games is that there's only a limited OS
| surface area that they'll usually touch. There's I/O, GPU,
| a single render Windows, audio, and input state, but when
| those core APIs work, games should run just fine. Boring
| Win32 software can get real dependent on some obscure
| system APIs, COM+ objects with certain properties, library
| loading behaviour, etc., all things that can be a challenge
| to emulate successfully without tripping up programs that
| assume certain APIs just never fail or return certain
| results. Games don't call APIs like
| DsRoleGetPrimaryDomainInformation or
| SHEnumerateUnreadMailAccountsW so projects like Proton
| don't usually add a lot of fixes in that space.
| chromaton wrote:
| Yes, it does run well on Wine.
| ww520 wrote:
| I've used Notepad++ with Wine on Linux. It works fine. The only
| problem is it doesn't handle high DPI monitor very well so the
| UI font is really small. It might be a problem with Wine.
|
| Also the directory navigation in the file dialog is clunky. The
| directory places are windows based rather than Linux based.
| frenchie4111 wrote:
| Looks like a cool project, not throwing shade, but these two
| lines in this order made me giggle: Though the
| application overall is stable and usable, it should not be
| considered safe for critically important work.
| There are numerous bugs and half working implementations. Pull
| requests are greatly appreciated.
| Havoc wrote:
| To be fair that level of self-awareness is usually a good sign
| [deleted]
| major505 wrote:
| if the macros work well this is well worth to have in linux.
| altcognito wrote:
| Macros are probably the best feature IMHO. Unless I'm mistaken,
| I've not seen a macro recorder as featureful yet so easy/quick
| to use. I know vim has to have it, but I find it hard to
| believe I would ever get quick enough to be able to do it.
|
| So simple to put a complex macro together -- I had one today
| that removed empty lines, did a regex replace, then a straight
| text replace and some random line manipulation within 2
| minutes. You can do it so often and quickly it's basically zero
| cost.
| ZoomZoomZoom wrote:
| Another one directly inspired by N++ is NotepadQQ. Tried it
| briefly and passed - mostly the functionality was lacking. Not
| sure if it's Scintilla based, as the original, Geany or TextMate.
|
| https://github.com/notepadqq/notepadqq
| Dork1234 wrote:
| I just loaded a 500MB file in NotepadNext. Windows shows Notepad
| Next using is 1397MB.
|
| Meanwhile if I use Notepad++ and load the same file windows shows
| it is using 586MB.
|
| Any ideas why such high memory usage if this is a direct port to
| QT?
| asddubs wrote:
| it's not a port, is it? I thought notepad++ was closed source?
| dindresto wrote:
| https://github.com/notepad-plus-plus/notepad-plus-plus
| asddubs wrote:
| huh, I never knew.
| Delk wrote:
| Notepad++ is GPL-licensed.
| pkrumins wrote:
| Why are you concerned about the memory usage? Computers have a
| lot of memory.
| tom_ wrote:
| But a lot is still a finite amount!
| john_moscow wrote:
| Efficiently handling large text files requires extra special
| care.
|
| ~2x memory looks like a naive implementation of just allocating
| an std::string from heap for each line. Due to heap
| fragmentation and various overhead it would quickly blow up.
|
| ~1x memory looks like just reading the entire file into RAM
| (that would still be slow).
|
| A truly efficient implementation would never need to load the
| entire original file in RAM. It would just need to remember the
| binary offset of each line in a way that combines random access
| and reasonably fast insertion/deletion (e.g. K-fold trees). You
| can even keep everything beyond the top-level directory in an
| temporary on-disk file, so your RAM usage could be less than
| 1MB with nearly instant performance.
|
| The efficient implementation is tricky, error-prone, and
| involves handling a solid amount of corner cases, which is
| beyond the amount of hassle a typical hobbyist developer is
| willing to go through.
| rndgermandude wrote:
| Or it might be that one is representing the character data as
| 16-bit wchars in memory, and the other treats them as 8-bit
| chars.
| tenebrisalietum wrote:
| Why not just use mmap() or the Windows equivalent?
| Taywee wrote:
| Because then all your edits have to go directly into the
| file, so you have no real "save" flow unless you make a
| swap file for every file and then mmap that (which can be
| an appropriate approach, to a degree). Then all your
| caching and memory use subject to OS I/O and filesystem
| concerns, and you can't optimize for specific use. And
| inserting or deleting the middle of the file means shifting
| all the bytes after it.
|
| I could think of a reasonable implementation for Linux that
| would use mmap and fallocate, but it wouldn't "just" be an
| mmap, as the swap file would still need to represent a rope
| or a gap buffer or something else of the sort for efficient
| editing.
| jhgb wrote:
| Aren't edits of a huge file expected to be comparatively
| small? If you're editing an mmap'd file, I'd expect the
| editor to maintain a display combining the original
| mmap'd file with a list of changes that have been
| performed so far.
| abalaji wrote:
| This is why I will always pay for the latest version of
| Sublime Text. First to support indie developers, but second
| for the marvelous piece of software that allows me to browse
| gigabytes of data in a GUI.
| Jonovono wrote:
| Dammm havn't heard that word in awhile - had to look at my
| calendar to double check what year it was. Great to hear
| they are still rocking!
| WesleyHale wrote:
| Python Crash Course by Eric Mathes is updated up to
| Python 3.7 and uses Sublime as the editor of choice also.
| VWWHFSfQ wrote:
| I've been using Sublime Text for a decade and never had any
| reason to leave it. It's been pretty much the most valuable
| piece of software that I use daily for a big chunk of my
| career. I've had to buy a new license maybe twice? ST2 and
| ST3. And another for Sublime Merge. The $100 or whatever it
| was might as well be _zero_ compared to the amount of value
| I've gotten out of it. I love this thing.
| Melatonic wrote:
| Is that a direct competitor to something like Notepad++ ?
| Looking into it myself
| jmull wrote:
| > A truly efficient implementation would never need to load
| the entire original file in RAM. It would just need to
| remember the binary offset of each line in a way that
| combines random access and reasonably fast insertion/deletion
| (e.g. K-fold trees).
|
| To know the offset of each line, you'll need to load the
| entire file from disk. So you're talking about loading it,
| processing it, and throwing it out again. You should qualify
| calling that "efficient" since you will need to re-load
| portions of the file, as needed.
|
| Also, an OS's virtual memory systems may work well for you
| with minor tuning, so it's work looking into that before you
| spend a lot of time essentially writing your own.
|
| I think unless you have a good reason not to, your best bet
| for a text editor on a modern OS is to read the entire file
| into memory and leave it there. (But don't make multiple
| copies of it or use two bytes to store each character as the
| current version of NotepadNext is apparently doing.)
| gnu8 wrote:
| I'm afraid to ask, but how does emacs do it?
| DiggyJohnson wrote:
| _grabs popcorn_
| mftb wrote:
| Never fear, Emacs approach is pretty great. It uses a gap-
| buffer, which is conceptually an array with a space that
| moves around with the insertion point. It's pretty cool
| approach because, it's simple, there's very little
| bookkeeping overhead and moving around the gap is gonna
| generally be cheaper than shifting around the whole array
| and minimize complete re-allocations. In other words it's
| good for what we do the vast majority of the time with a
| text editor which is jump around reasonably size files
| making small edits.
|
| One downside, relative to this conversation, is it doesn't
| make working with pathologically large files a lot better.
| Without further optimization a gap buffer could push your
| box into swap if you open a large enough file.
| VWWHFSfQ wrote:
| > Due to heap fragmentation and various overhead it would
| quickly blow up
|
| I think this is mostly likely the culprit. There almost
| definitely isn't that much contiguous memory available for a
| large file like this, so there are a lot of wasted pages
| (maybe 2-3x) which is causing that footprint to balloon.
| johncolanduoni wrote:
| For 500MB there should easily be enough contiguous virtual
| address space, and if there isn't the allocation would
| fail. I don't see how it could take up 2-3x extra pages
| unless it's being stored in a really poorly designed
| segmented memory structure.
| VWWHFSfQ wrote:
| Yeah without knowing anything about the implementation
| when I see "I opened a 500MB file and it's taking 1.3GB
| of memory" that's just my first guess. Maybe it's wrong.
| kzrdude wrote:
| Does anything implement it like that?
| _hl_ wrote:
| xi-editor has some reasonably sophisticated handling for
| large files
| mftb wrote:
| It's vaguely reminiscent of Vim's implementation, in the
| sense that I think, for large files, in it's default
| config, Vim keeps most of the text in it's swap file and
| pages it in as needed.
|
| Vim's implementation also feels somewhat line-oriented in
| that if you load a large JSON file that has everything on 1
| line and you try to edit that line, uh... it will be
| sluggish, but if you do, like %!jq '.' and format it, you
| can them move around the file a little easier.
|
| Edit - What the heck while I'm at it:
|
| Emacs - Historically used a Gap-Buffer which optimized more
| for locality of edits than loading large files. It doesn't
| suffer though as much from heap fragmentation though as the
| linked-list of strings type approach.
|
| Monaco - The editor in VS Code recently went from a linked-
| list of strings to a PieceTree buffer. Which basically
| loads a the whole file into an immutable buffer and then
| uses the PieceTree to manage the edits.
|
| Others - Lately people keep talking about Ropes, which is
| another tree type deal with extra-smarts specifically for
| text editing. I don't know of a game-changing editor like
| the others mentioned that uses it tho.
| jll29 wrote:
| Ropes were introduced in this paper in the journal
| Software, Pracise and Experience:
| https://doi.org/10.1002/spe.4380251203 (best accessed
| from a university domain)
|
| An example for an editor that uses them to manage large
| text files is Xi-Editor: https://github.com/xi-editor/xi-
| editor (edit: written in Rust).
| mftb wrote:
| Cool, I'm really interested in that paper, ty.
| nly wrote:
| Wouldn't mind betting Sublime does a good job
| teraflop wrote:
| > A truly efficient implementation would never need to load
| the entire original file in RAM. It would just need to
| remember the binary offset of each line
|
| Except that this would most likely result in unpredictable
| corruption if another process modified the file while you had
| it open, which is contrary to the way basically every text
| editor works.
|
| It would be nice if there was a way to mmap a file in such a
| way that the OS would give you a snapshot view, but AFAIK
| that doesn't exist, at least on Linux in a filesystem-
| agnostic way (not sure about other operating systems).
| dataflow wrote:
| I think every platform supports FS notifications at least
| right? The app could listen for changes to the file and
| reload/discard when it goes out of sync. In fact Notepad++
| already does this.
|
| On Windows in particular you also have a ton of other
| facilities that could help with this (opportunistic locks,
| transactions, etc.) but notification is usually good
| enough.
| chongli wrote:
| My main editor is vim. It notifies the user when a file
| you have open in a buffer gets modified on disk by
| another process. It explicitly gives you the option to
| load the file from disk at this time. I would not use a
| text editor which silently reloads a file because this
| could result in a loss of work.
| workerdrone451 wrote:
| While many editors will come and go, vi in some form will
| always remain. Once you "get" it, using anything else
| starts to become alien.
| dataflow wrote:
| Yeah Notepad++ asks you too. I don't know of any editors
| that silently discard changes by default.
| phendrenad2 wrote:
| This would also be too slow. The user may want to jump from
| line 1 to line 999999. You can't do a file load fast
| enough.
| fernly wrote:
| I'm having trouble finding anything in the source tree, but
| searches on "QTextEdit" and "QPlainText" fail, so it's maybe
| not using Qt's very competent text edit classes? The Readme
| indicates Qt is used, it would be odd not to use the built-in
| (but highly customizable) editor which supports a syntax
| analyzer and lots of other things you would think this project
| needs.
| TonyTrapp wrote:
| If it uses QString as backing storage, that would be UTF-16
| internally and would explain the doubling in size.
| shmoe wrote:
| macOS please -- I would love a notepad++ clone!
| pkrumins wrote:
| I wonder how this story got to the top of Hacker News as it's not
| rewritten in Rust.
| digisign wrote:
| Geany fills this niche, and is close to being feature complete.
| It could use help and attention as well, it unfortunately doesn't
| get enough imho. Also on github: https://github.com/geany/geany
| account-5 wrote:
| I've never been able to get on with geany, compared to np++ it
| comes a very distant second.
| digisign wrote:
| I use Linux and grudgingly Mac now, so np++ is not even in
| the race. ;-)
| themodelplumber wrote:
| Geany is great. I have 200+ files open in it most of the time
| and it's been really nice to use all along.
| sergiotapia wrote:
| Wow that takes me back! I learned how to code with Geany!
| WD-42 wrote:
| Geany was the first editor I used to write code. It has just
| the right balance of features to make editing code productive
| while keeping it simple enough for beginners.
| qbasic_forever wrote:
| I have a container I setup with XFCE and this awesome Windows
| 95 theme: https://github.com/grassmunk/Chicago95 Geany works
| perfectly inside it for a little retro dev environment. It
| looks and feels just like old Visual Studio versions, but I can
| code any modern thing I want.
| xmonkee wrote:
| What kind of container?
| qbasic_forever wrote:
| distrobox to manage the container:
| https://github.com/89luca89/distrobox Then just install
| XFCE and tiger VNC server inside it. Using VNC makes it
| easy to connect into a little isolated session that has its
| own theming, etc. vs. trying to send geany to my native
| X11/wayland server (which wouldn't theme it like windows
| 95).
|
| You could also just run it in a browser window with a VNC
| HTML bridge, this would be a good base for that:
| https://github.com/accetto/ubuntu-vnc-xfce-g3
|
| The easiest way to get Chicago95 setup is to run its GUI
| installer python script. I don't try to script it in a
| dockerfile or container setup.
| syntaxfree wrote:
| Can you define custom syntax highlighting as easily as in
| notepad++? My use case was that I had one big text file for
| everything with some ad hoc format.
| digisign wrote:
| You have to write hex codes into a text file in your config
| folder, there is no GUI for it. They have themes for a few
| years now. You copy one and edit. Not hard but not effortless
| either. One interesting thing is that you can do it in Geany,
| there is a little plugin to show a color square when you
| hover over a #hex string.
|
| I remember npp having a GUI, but from memory it was old-
| school, in the clunky sense and not in the simple one. It
| didn't have a little window showing code with the updates for
| example.
|
| Now that you bring it up, that's an area where a developer
| could make a helpful contribution.
| mrtweetyhack wrote:
| zozbot234 wrote:
| These light IDE editors should really be including some support
| for modern features like LSP, Tree-Sitter parsers and the Debug
| Adapter Protocol. Modern development flows have come to rely on
| this stuff.
|
| This also goes for terminal-based editors, BTW. The old RHIDE
| is in many ways still unsurpassed in the intuitiveness and
| inherent extensibility of its text-based interface. A modern
| *nix-based equivalent would find plenty of use for light
| development work over SSH. (You could even ssh in and develop
| from an Apple iPad with keyboard addon!)
| digisign wrote:
| I used this Jedi plugin for Python for a while, but didn't
| need it too often and didn't install it the next system
| refresh. Might be out of date now.
|
| https://github.com/notetau/geany-jedi-complete
| AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote:
| Geany drove me insane when I tried it. The horrific font
| rendering that turned underscores into spaces, the obtuse as
| hell format for custom syntax highlighting... No thanks man.
| mxuribe wrote:
| OMG, i ran into this issue and what fixed it for me
| was...increasing the font size! Slowly over the last couple
| of years i have been increasing the font size everywhere
| (because my eyes are aging!)...and then i started using Geany
| - which i do like - but ran into this odd behavior of
| underscores appearing like spaces but only with some themes,
| fonts...And when i went to increase the font size - for just
| helping me see better - voila; no more odd behavior!
| Admittedly, this is not the reason i lessen my use of geany.
| But that sure was one odd bug.
|
| EDIT: It seems the font/underscore/spaces issues should be
| fixed as of Geany verion 1.37:
| https://www.geany.org/documentation/faq/#geany-does-not-
| disp...
|
| I'm not using Geany much at all any more, but still got love
| for it!
| melissalobos wrote:
| > The horrific font rendering that turned underscores into
| spaces
|
| I have geany open right now and it is displaying underscores
| just fine with Noto Sans Mono. I have no idea what
| configuration you were using or what fonts, but this
| shouldn't be a problem currently.
| AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote:
| https://github.com/geany/geany/issues/1387
|
| I had the issue with the Flatpak version in an unmodified
| install on Fedora Silverblue 35, but my experience is
| apparently hardly unique.
| digisign wrote:
| A Scintilla bug fixed five years ago? Hex digits in a text
| file is obtuse? No software is perfect but there's probably
| better criticism out there.
| AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote:
| The issue was closed, but that is not the same as being
| fixed.
| digisign wrote:
| The root problem it seems is that some fonts are out of
| spec, and there's a workaround:
| [styling] line_height=0;2;
|
| I recommend Source Code Pro which is a great programming
| font and apparently doesn't have the problem, since I've
| never actually seen it.
| ZoomZoomZoom wrote:
| Geany is mature and solid, and I like it a lot, especially on
| Windows. However, I personally bump into some uncomfortable
| limitations with it.
|
| The pace of the development, including just reacting to issues
| or PRs is rather slow.
|
| Basic editing functions are few (just compare the contents of
| the "Edit" submenu with Notepad++). This is partially mitigated
| by "Send selection to", but a text editor without a simple line
| sorting?..
|
| The settings for the "Build" submenu is artificially limited.
| Why just 3 filetype and 3 shared commands? Why not allow
| changing the keyboard shortcuts for those right in the same
| window?
|
| No macro or scripting at all. In my view, such programs benefit
| a lot from having _all_ their actions available as a list of
| commands which can be used to construct custom chains and
| scripts or be used setting the keybindings.
|
| Somehow, not all the lexers from lexilla are available? For
| example, Nim lexer is more than 3 years old (5, if you count
| lexer for an earlier version then called Nimrod), but Nim
| settings for Geany still uses the Python lexer.
| digisign wrote:
| Hmm, I don't do most of those things. Or, I use external
| tools/pre-commit/terminal so not a big issue for me. For
| example, a tool like "black" or "prettier" has outsourced a
| lot of the manual formatting work I'd have done before. I
| "write ugly" and save the file.
|
| For sorting I do in fact use the "Send selection to" to sort,
| bound to Ctrl+1, but I never got around to binding anything
| to Ctrl+2.
|
| There were tons of little fiddly things in Notepad++ I never
| used because the things they fixed they never came up often
| enough to build up muscle memory to remember them. YMMV.
| ZoomZoomZoom wrote:
| Sometimes it's just more convenient when all the little
| things are already in place, even if you're not using them
| frequently enough to build muscle memory. Also, for reasons
| described in the comment by @AdmiralAsshat below.
| novocantico wrote:
| A few months ago I went to install Notepad++ and the installer
| says "Software is like sex: It's better when it's free" so I
| closed and deleted the installer. (It still says that today.)
| Glad to see an alternative I can install!
| lancebeet wrote:
| There seems to be at least one person agreeing with you:
| https://github.com/notepad-plus-plus/notepad-plus-plus/issue...
| ianai wrote:
| If I understand that history correctly, they tagged it
| "reject" which I'm taking to mean they won't change that
| text.
| prmoustache wrote:
| I don't really see where the problem lied but whatever. Sounds
| strange to base a (free) software choice on a note in an
| installer.
| z3t4 wrote:
| It is my experience as a developer of a text editor, that
| text edtor/IDE users make the decision whether to learn/use
| an editor within seconds. Just a quick look and it has been
| decided, in 3 seconds what they will spend their next 10000
| hours working with. I do not understand this, but it is a
| phenomena. It's like when we look at the opposite sex and
| decides if he/she might become our future partner and live
| the rest of our life together - and the decision is made
| within seconds. At least the filtering-out.
| spaniard89277 wrote:
| For real?
| throwaway675309 wrote:
| I think we should more of this stuff to hopefully desensitize
| people over time. When abstract symbols can somehow evoke such
| a visceral reaction in a person, that's the kind of stuff that
| scares me.
|
| Side note: Remember winamps start audio?
| sandreas wrote:
| I created a pull request to change this text. Let's hope it'll
| be accepted ;)
|
| https://github.com/notepad-plus-plus/notepad-plus-plus/pull/...
| WD-42 wrote:
| The author's (donho) Github profile reads:
|
| > GitHub is my Tinder, to flirt with developers, by using the
| romantic source code poetry.
|
| I don't think he gaf whether people are offended by the word
| "sex".
| oblio wrote:
| He constantly names Notepad++ releases after political topics
| he does not like, he's very political.
|
| And if you look at the things he's covered, he seems to be a
| good person.
| snvzz wrote:
| It apparently only does take 3 characters to offend people.
| svnpenn wrote:
| You can install either one.
|
| You're choosing not to. However I do agree, that is idiotic
| text to include.
| lfkdev wrote:
| Wheres the problem with this sentence?
| novocantico wrote:
| It's nice when I come across a readme that's playful and
| doesn't take itself very seriously. It shows the real humans
| behind the software.
|
| This is something else.
| artogahr wrote:
| What is it?
| novocantico wrote:
| Why is catcalling offensive but flirting welcome?
| CivBase wrote:
| Can you elaborate on how you feel this sentence relates
| to catcalling or flirting?
| GartzenDeHaes wrote:
| Ti and Do and their students (crew) have come from a
| genderless, crew-minded, service-oriented world that
| finds greed, lust, and self- serving pursuits abhorrent.
|
| Marshall Herff Applewhite Jr.
| novocantico wrote:
| No.
| donkarma wrote:
| what's up with that
| nittanymount wrote:
| notepad++ site is so political, do not like that, stopped using
| it for years... it is the author's freedom for sure.
| behrlich wrote:
| Trying to understand this sentiment. Why does it matter? What
| do the authors' politics have to do with using the software
| or not? Do you generally avoid any company that does any
| political speech?
| coolso wrote:
| For me, I try to avoid politics in general since I'm (along
| with everyone else) so inundated with it on a daily basis.
| It's so wonderful and refreshing to find places where it
| doesn't exist and isn't mentioned. No matter how much bad
| is going on in the world we all need to be able to mentally
| escape it. It's just one of those vital things.
|
| So when you go to download the newest version of one of
| your fav text editors and you're faced with messages like
| "you guys support who I support in the war right?! You
| should because the other guy is crazy! I stand with this
| side, I'm literally changing the world!" and I just gotta
| sigh and roll my eyes. Sir this is an Arby's.
| mywittyname wrote:
| I formulate opinions of people when I hear their political
| leanings; usually negative ones. I have no reason for this,
| and frankly, I don't want to do it. It just happens.
|
| And yes, I do avoid companies with outspoken political
| views that I disagree with, especially if their actions
| tangibly harm other people.
| guilhas wrote:
| People disagree very easily in political matters. And when
| I am trying to focus on work or my personal projects I
| don't need to be roped into some pointless ideological
| discussion or metal state. For that we can go to HN
|
| It works like advertisement for ideology
|
| Imagine you are installing Chrome and the installer shows a
| banner saying: we support Trump, Biden, Ukraine, Russia,
| China, invading Iraq... You might then feel uncomfortable
| using/contributing to software that has nothing to do with
| politics, because of a developer founded/random/misguided
| opinion
| greggsy wrote:
| I don't really care, but it's a bit childish. At least it's
| not mentioned anywhere else when you're using it.
| rubyist5eva wrote:
| You prefer paying for sex?
| lukas099 wrote:
| It's nice to see freedom at play here -- freedom of the
| developers to include sentences which might offend, and freedom
| of the offended to use a fork instead. I respect both of your
| decisions.
| gkbrk wrote:
| I don't understand the problem. Do you think all sex should be
| a paid transaction with cash, or are you just opposed to people
| using the word?
| politelemon wrote:
| And could said transaction be paid for with free software
| instead?
| protomyth wrote:
| Well, there are places that certain words (e.g. sex)
| appearing on a screen will get you in trouble with management
| because it could fall under HR's harassment policy. I know
| folks don't give a damn, but some people have to worry about
| such things.
| hulitu wrote:
| We have notepad++ in a corporate environment. So it seems
| it it easy to disable the message.
| prmoustache wrote:
| If it can be installed with chocolatey, it can be
| installed in an unattended way.
| babypuncher wrote:
| Or most people don't stand around reading installer
| installer dialog boxes on other employee's screens all
| day.
| beeboop wrote:
| I think the problem is likely stigmatizing sex workers as
| less desirable which is sort of narrow-minded and perhaps
| dehumanizing. There's a large imposition of morality that
| isn't necessarily shared by everyone.
| Etherlord87 wrote:
| I don't think that's what is being said here. Sex is better
| when it's free, because then it's likely enriched with some
| kind of emotional bond (even if not love), whereas in case
| of paid sex you're just getting a service. Regardless of
| what the N++ developer(s) think, the statement doesn't
| criticize prostitution.
| 93po wrote:
| Your statement is valuing one form of sex over another.
| The point is that value isn't held by everyone, and
| asserting it as fact is diminishing someone else's
| entirely legitimate perspective.
|
| Conversation is pointless as OP has now responded saying
| he simply doesn't like hearing about sex.
| novocantico wrote:
| You're all overthinking it. I just don't like to hear about
| sex when I'm writing software. Is that so hard to imagine?
| QuikAccount wrote:
| Is it hard to imagine that a single sentence in the
| installer about sex offends you so much that you refuse
| to use the software? Yeah that's kinda hard for me to
| imagine.
| omegaham wrote:
| In a world of many, many alternatives, I feel like
| someone's preferences can be as arbitrary as they want
| them to be. It's less a statement about the magnitude of
| the offense and more of a statement of "I have all of
| these options. Why would I pick one that annoys me, even
| slightly?"
|
| To use a hypothetical example - a cereal company puts
| some tasteless comment in an unobtrusive corner of the
| box. You don't have to look at it if you don't want to -
| you can turn the box, or put the cereal into another
| container, or just not read the box that closely. But why
| would you want to when there are 45 other brands of
| cereal on the supermarket shelf?
| throwaway675309 wrote:
| It's in the installer not the splash screen for christ
| sake. You'll see it a grand total of _one time_ , maybe
| have a more easygoing friend install it for you?
| babypuncher wrote:
| The funny part is, he's already seen it and been
| offended. Cancelling the installation and deleting it is
| not preventing any future offense.
| novocantico wrote:
| I aim to be pragmatic _and_ principled.
| unmole wrote:
| What exactly is the principle at play here?
| jhgb wrote:
| "Principled" is a rather neutral designation. All it
| means you have strict rules. As to whether those rules
| are at all useful is not included in that designation.
| coding123 wrote:
| You do understand the problem but have taken a hard stance. I
| mean at this point what is crossing the line? Would we all be
| up in arms if the developer decides to say: "Butt f*ck your
| best friend"
|
| The point I'm making is that there are lines to be crossed
| and if you don't understand that you have simply taken a hard
| stance on some aspect of this.
|
| That all being said, YES I totally agree the dev should have
| full rights to say that in his software - but we can have an
| opinion too.
| unixhero wrote:
| Notepadqq already does this!
|
| https://github.com/notepadqq/notepadqq
| faisal_ksa wrote:
| It looks like an almost dead project with very little
| development since Aug 2021, and the last release was in 2019.
| unixhero wrote:
| Maybe they're done
| pipeline_peak wrote:
| Why would you rewrite a Scintilla distribution? That's your
| chance to make something new.
| sigzero wrote:
| Neat project. I always wished NP++ was x-platform.
| mark-r wrote:
| There are two aspects of the original Notepad that will never be
| duplicated. First, all the heavy lifting was done by built-in
| Windows components, it was just a simple wrapper. You could
| probably write your own replacement in an afternoon. Second, it
| was preinstalled on every single Windows machine, you could
| always count on it being there.
| euos wrote:
| I remember you could generate Notepad from the MFC wizard in
| Visual Studio 6.0. With menus and all...
|
| Notepad++ is different.
| merlinscholz wrote:
| I believe you're thinking about the wrong notepad, the linked
| project is inspired by Notepad++, not the Windows default
| Notepad
| mark-r wrote:
| That is correct, I'm going back to the inspiration behind the
| inspiration. Notepad++ lacks the same properties compared to
| the original
| IChooseY0u wrote:
| This is very nice. Looks like you have a lot of experience with
| Qt.
| praveenhm wrote:
| Excellent work, I am looking for notepad++ equivalent on Mac..
| lastofthemojito wrote:
| BBEdit from Bare Bones Software is a longstanding Mac text
| editor in the same vein as Notepad++, though it isn't open
| source or fully free to use. Bare Bones used to offer a free
| text editor for Mac called TextWrangler (with fewer features
| than BBEdit), but I guess they've now made the free mode of
| BBEdit their free offering.
|
| http://www.barebones.com/products/bbedit/
| MBCook wrote:
| This is what you want. It's fantastic.
| kzrdude wrote:
| How are sublime and textmate doing? Thought there was a lot of
| better choice than notepad++
| com2kid wrote:
| Sublime is way too heavy weight. Notepad++ is that thing I
| open up when I need to edit a 2GB log file really quick. Or
| use a regex to fix up a CSV file that somehow got messed up.
|
| Not having Notepad++ on MacOS is a major pain point for me.
|
| Notably Notepad++ is not project/folder based. It is for
| editing a file.
| wolpoli wrote:
| > Notably Notepad++ is not project/folder based. It is for
| editing a file.
|
| I looked and it turns out that Notepad++ does have the
| ability to open a folder as a workspace. So it's an extra
| option if it is needed.
| have_faith wrote:
| > Sublime is way too heavy weight
|
| Damn, sublime is what I use as my light weight editor ha.
| Never had trouble opening (relatively) large files.
| com2kid wrote:
| More in terms of UI.
|
| Notepad++ has what you need to edit a file and not much
| else, but it also has a decent plugin system.
| have_faith wrote:
| ST almost has no UI when opening a single file (no
| sidebar etc), would be curious how it could be more
| minimal.
| nicoburns wrote:
| Check out the view menu. Pretty much all the UI bar the
| actual text you're editing can be easily hidden.
| AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote:
| As someone who relies on Notepad++ daily, to the point of being
| seriously worried about finding a replacement when I am
| inevitably forced to switch to Linux[0], I am encouraged by my
| short time playing around with NotepadNext. It looks right, it
| feels mostly right, and the AppImage started quickly.
| Unfortunately it is still missing most of the features I actually
| use in Npp, but it is a promising start!
|
| [0] Being real: I'll probably just run Npp in WINE
| petepete wrote:
| Which features of Npp are you struggling to find in other
| editors? I used Npp a bit a decade ago when I had to work with
| Windows but it didn't really have any stand out features (not a
| complaint, it worked perfectly for what I needed).
| simonklitj wrote:
| Honest question: as a Vim user, what are the benefits/strong
| suits of Notepad++ (and NotepadNext)?
| droopyEyelids wrote:
| By asking 'what are the benefits' you're assuming someone is
| pitching this as a replacement/improvement on Vim.
|
| Where did you get that impression?
| simonklitj wrote:
| Alright, sorry for that insinuation. I did also ask about
| strong suits which is probably all I should've only asked
| about.
| hereforphone wrote:
| mike00632 wrote:
| For me, Notepad++ was a replacement for Notepad. I don't do
| development in Notepad++ but rather just view text files.
| wolpoli wrote:
| Notepad++ works like a classical Windows application, with
| minimal learning curve for existing Windows users.
|
| It's mainly a preference thing.
| simonklitj wrote:
| Makes perfect sense. I don't use Windows, so haven't really
| been exposed to Notepad++ very much. Just hear about it from
| time to time. Thanks!
| digisign wrote:
| You don't _have_ to use Windows to appreciate it, X Window
| and Mac use the same to similar keybindings.
| digisign wrote:
| It uses CUA keybindings which everyone should know. If you're
| already invested in vim, there's not much benefit, other than
| not having to use different keybindings in different windows.
| AdmiralAsshat wrote:
| It's reasonably intuitive for a non-technical user to use
| (since it has pretty much the same control scheme as the
| familiar Notepad), but has enough technical tools built into it
| that you can do some serious diagnostic work.
|
| In my job I often have clients install it so that we can review
| their datafiles and diagnose load problems. Many of my calls
| sound like this.
|
| (On Zoom)
|
| Me: Okay, so I understand this file is not loading, can you
| show me the file?
|
| Client: (opens file)
|
| Me: Ok, hard to see what's wrong at a glance. Can you open the
| file in Notepad++ for me?
|
| Client: (Reopens file in N++)
|
| Me: Ah, here we go. You see those characters in blue on line
| 49? Those are non-ASCII characters. You've got some garbage in
| there. NULLs, control characters, or some other thing. Those
| will break the XML parser. Try removing them and reloading the
| file.
|
| Or:
|
| Me: So it looks like this is coming from your source system
| with no line endings, and is quite difficult to read. Can you
| download the plug-in XML Tools/JSON Tools/Poor Man's TSQL
| Formatter and let's see if we can get the files indented to
| make reviewing easier?
|
| Or:
|
| Me: So if you click on the "View" tab and show the line-
| endings...thank you. This file is coming over with Windows CRLF
| line endings instead of the expected LF endings on UNIX/Linux.
| It's probably throwing off the record parser by one byte for
| each row. You can use the tool under 'EDIT' to change the
| newlines to UNIX convention, and you should be good to go.
|
| Small things like that. It's a heck of a lot easier to teach
| the client to do that rather than try to convince them to run
| dos2unix on a terminal.
| deltarholamda wrote:
| This covers it. Trying to talk a normal person through vim is
| like doing a keyhole appendectomy through the urethra.
|
| It's a handy thing to have on Windows for anything text-
| oriented. Having a dual-platform version would be a benefit
| as well, as probably 95% of Notepad++ users are comfortable
| on Linux as well, so it would be helpful to talk somebody
| through it over the phone without having to access the dusty
| recesses of their memory.
| zozbot234 wrote:
| > This covers it. Trying to talk a normal person through
| vim is like doing a keyhole appendectomy through the
| urethra
|
| ed can do just that, and more!
| dgfitz wrote:
| Fwiw it runs like a champ under wine with no fussiness
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