[HN Gopher] Quaise Energy - Unlocking the true power of clean ge...
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       Quaise Energy - Unlocking the true power of clean geothermal energy
        
       Author : xojoc
       Score  : 37 points
       Date   : 2022-04-09 21:08 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | mcculley wrote:
       | I don't know how to reason on the magnitudes and indirect effects
       | here. If we are using the temperature differential, don't we have
       | to vent that into the atmosphere? Does that heat eventually go
       | into the atmosphere anyway?
        
         | GlenTheMachine wrote:
         | Any use of energy eventually results in heat; that's just the
         | Second Law of Thermodynamics in operation.
         | 
         | But this effect is orders of magnitude smaller than the
         | greenhouse effect.
        
           | mcculley wrote:
           | I am aware of the 2nd law. I am looking for data on the
           | magnitudes involved. Every time there is a promise of very
           | cheap energy, I wonder how we will deal with the waste heat.
        
             | throwawayboise wrote:
             | The waste heat will be radiated away to space. The premise
             | of global warming is that CO2 (and other "greenhouse"
             | gasses such as methane) cause more of the heat to be
             | retained in the atmosphere.
        
       | d--b wrote:
       | Can anyone with experience comment on how realistic that is? Both
       | in term of drilling, and in terms of how much power we could
       | extract per drill.
        
       | ajross wrote:
       | My response here is the same as what I say to proponents of new
       | nuclear technologies: it's gotta work on a _balance sheet_ , not
       | just in a pitch deck. This isn't a new technology enabling new
       | markets and new kinds of growth here, it's just... electricity.
       | And even as a renewable option, it needs to be able to compete
       | not just with fossil fuel generators with-all-the-externalities-
       | factored-in, but with _dams and windmills_ built with century-
       | mature technology.
       | 
       | That's just a tall order. Should this be a legitimate research
       | topic? Absolutely. Would I put my money down as an investor on
       | this being a win? No. Should we be throwing public money at this?
       | Hell no, we should be building more turbines with that money.
       | Start on the weird stuff only once we've picked the low hanging
       | fruit.
        
       | marsven_422 wrote:
        
       | phs318u wrote:
       | Assuming the millimeter wave drilling technology does in fact
       | hold up (I imagine it draws a LOT of power), the re-use of
       | existing infrastructure (drill a hole at every power station site
       | that boils water to drive a turbine, with existing transmission
       | in place), is brilliant because that's a huge, huge cost avoided
       | - and indeed could be stood up in far less time (barring
       | government approvals) than most mega-scale alternatives.
       | 
       | Full steam ahead!
       | 
       | EDIT: tbh I did also think that this concept sounds like the
       | opening plot for a b-grade disaster movie - "The Day The Earth
       | Cracked Open".
        
       | asimpletune wrote:
       | Stupid question but is it possible to cool the earth's core if
       | this tech was scaled out and used massively?
        
         | trophycase wrote:
         | The short answer is no, the long answer is no, but the really
         | long answer is that everybody pretends that it's 100% safe but
         | I guarantee nobody predicted global warming occurring when
         | fossil fuels first started being used. There will be secondary
         | effects, we just don't know what they are yet
        
           | makerdiety wrote:
           | No one can predict anything when they don't have access to
           | the larger model. Assuming the real world corresponds to big
           | models rather than the small models and understanding people
           | usually have.
        
       | arnihermann wrote:
       | There has been some effort on going to really deep depths in IDDP
       | (Icelandic Deep Drilling Project) - see https://iddp.is/about/
       | 
       | If I remember correctly, they were never able to hit their goals
       | because of drilling down into magma chambers. The steam coming up
       | was also of a different scale than regular geothermal steam,
       | causing corrosion that has not been dealt with before.
       | 
       | As far as I know, the main problem is coming up with casing
       | materials that can withstand the extreme corrosive environment at
       | scale and at cost, and for IDDP that's one of the main focuses.
        
       | huqedato wrote:
       | Sound too good to be true.
       | 
       | 2024: First full-scale hybrid drilling rig -> 2026: First Super
       | Hot Enhanced Geothermal System rated to 100 MW... -> 2028: First
       | powerplant.
       | 
       | This false prophet reminds me of Theranos/Elizabeth Holmes.
       | Always skeptical when hearing about such unicorns hunting for
       | idiots' money.
        
       | thekoma wrote:
       | Sounds promising. How realistic is the depth target of 20km
       | really? Also, I would assume this infrastructure will be less
       | applicable in locations with frequent earthquakes.
        
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