[HN Gopher] Show HN: Discover the IndieWeb, one blog post at a time
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       Show HN: Discover the IndieWeb, one blog post at a time
        
       Inspired by the "Ask HN: Share your personal site" last week, I
       finally came around and built a thing I wanted for a long time: a
       simple website to randomly explore all the awesome personal blogs
       without having to subscribe to them all.  So this is what I built
       over the weekend. You click a button and indieblog.page will
       redirect you to a random page from a personal page...  I'm happy to
       answer any questions you might have.
        
       Author : splitbrain
       Score  : 183 points
       Date   : 2022-04-12 13:11 UTC (9 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (indieblog.page)
 (TXT) w3m dump (indieblog.page)
        
       | MrJagil wrote:
       | I found http://owensoft.net/v4/item/2924/ Which seems to be just
       | a photo of the wendys menu. Quite amusing and probably the most
       | "old web" site i've visited in years.
        
       | rodric wrote:
       | Now invite the various blogs to which this links to embed it on
       | their web pages, and bring back the web ring of old.
        
         | dvtrn wrote:
         | I think this is what you're looking for
         | 
         | https://indieweb.xyz
         | 
         | And here's how you link back:
         | 
         | https://indieweb.xyz/howto/en
         | 
         | (Not my site, I'm just a fan of indieweb)
        
         | pmlnr wrote:
         | You mean like https://xn--sr8hvo.ws/ and
         | https://yesterweb.org/webring/ ? :)
        
       | saperyton wrote:
       | Read Something Interesting is very similar, but less focused on
       | tech. https://readsomethinginteresting.com
        
       | soco wrote:
       | The moment the dev.to nonsense* folk discover you, it's gonna be
       | useless.
       | 
       | *Newly dev.to RSS feed is 90% either pill promotion or zero value
       | "my first post" notifications. Or posts in languages I don't
       | speak and have no way to filter out.
        
       | EamonnMR wrote:
       | Must have scraped the 'show me your blog' thread from last week,
       | since my blog is already in there.
        
       | AndrewStephens wrote:
       | I love stuff like this. I just went to add my own site only to be
       | told that somehow my feed was there already. I guess I am
       | officially part of the IndieWeb!
        
       | mattrighetti wrote:
       | I will try this and see if I discover something nice, cool idea!
       | 
       | Not a long time ago I wanted to build something where users could
       | share their favorite RSS feeds/blogs (like Julia Evans does [0])
       | so that others could, maybe, find something new and interesting.
       | This is a similar concept.
       | 
       | [0]: https://jvns.ca/blogroll/
        
         | kixiQu wrote:
         | I would like to advocate making one's OPML files human-
         | readable. It can be done [simply] or [ridiculously] -- and then
         | the result is aggregatable in its own right because it's an
         | established format used by every RSS reader.
         | 
         | [simply]: https://zylstra.org/opml/tonzylstra.opml
         | [ridiculously]: https://maya.land/blogroll.opml
        
       | mediocregopher wrote:
       | Love this, reminds me quite a bit of stumbleupon.
       | 
       | In putting together my own RSS feed recently, and trying to
       | figure out the best way to sync it with all my devices, I
       | realized the simplest way was to just turn the aggregated links
       | into a webpage and publish that publicly. There's no reason not
       | to, and now others can use it as well!
       | 
       | It's at https://news.cryptic.io, if anyone wants to see the
       | output. I recommend others do the same if you like.
       | 
       | The difficult part of using RSS is the actual curation part, so
       | it's cool to see a trend (2 datapoints is a trend?) of folks
       | doing that work up front and sharing it with others.
        
         | mhitza wrote:
         | > and trying to figure out the best way to sync it with all my
         | devices
         | 
         | Store it as an email?
         | 
         | I generate a daily digest for my subscriptions and have them
         | emailed in my inbox.
        
       | b3nji wrote:
       | Amazing, I was just thinking, how would I be able to find all
       | these wonderful personal sites?
       | 
       | It's like Stumbleupon has been reborn!
       | 
       | And now you have gone and done it. Thank you.
        
         | flobosg wrote:
         | > It's like Stumbleupon has been reborn!
         | 
         | My thoughts exactly.
        
       | devmunchies wrote:
       | I'd love something like HN for a curated list of blog posts, but
       | it's just technical or tech business (e.g. team dynamics,
       | leadership, finance, product management, etc) blogs. No news or
       | tweets or blurbs, just good high quality writings. Do I just need
       | to start curating my own RSS feed?
       | 
       | "Indie" is cool but I just care if it's good. But I guess this is
       | just more for fun and child-like exploration, for the love of
       | indie
        
         | saperyton wrote:
         | Check out Read Something Interesting, which is that exact
         | premise. https://readsomethinginteresting.com
        
         | asiachick wrote:
         | isn't this effectively the curated list?
         | 
         | https://news.ycombinator.com/best
        
           | devmunchies wrote:
           | yeah but _" No news or tweets or blurbs, just good high
           | quality writings"_
        
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       | csw-001 wrote:
       | This is cool! I read almost all my web content via RSS - I'd love
       | an RSS feed of random posts from these sources, just to get a
       | daily sample and see what's worth following.
        
         | splitbrain wrote:
         | That's an interesting idea. Would you expect one RSS item with
         | let's say 5 links in the item body? Or 5 RSS items directly
         | linking to the original post?
        
           | csw-001 wrote:
           | 5 items with direct links for sure.
        
           | jrruethe wrote:
           | I agreee that RSS would be awesome. I would prefer 5 RSS
           | items with direct links to the original post.
        
           | kevincox wrote:
           | I definitely would prefer the second. That way I can read and
           | dismiss them one-by-one.
           | 
           | Maybe an option would be to pick a update rate and have
           | something like hourly, daily, weekly and monthly feeds. It
           | would be a cool way to trickle possibly interesting new blogs
           | into my feed reader.
        
             | mawise wrote:
             | This would be really cool! A great way to add some
             | discoverability to the feed-reader modus operandi.
        
             | splitbrain wrote:
             | RSS Feeds added. I may tweak this in the coming days.
        
       | saperyton wrote:
       | You might also enjoy Read Something Interesting! Unrelated to HN
       | but there are great posts there.
       | https://readsomethinginteresting.com
        
       | bitwize wrote:
       | This reminds me of the What's New and What's Cool buttons at the
       | top of old-school Netscape.
        
       | byteski wrote:
       | cool idea! i like to explore someone's websites sometimes.
        
       | legrande wrote:
       | Anyone feel amazed at how many blogs are under a {user}.github.io
       | domain? Github is not just about open source, it's a blogging
       | platform too. People forget that.
        
         | MaxLeiter wrote:
         | I did some scraping of the same post as OP and found that 146
         | (21%) of the HN comments on the "share your personal site" were
         | github pages. It's popular!
        
         | mxuribe wrote:
         | I feel somewhat torn on folks having a blog hosted on
         | {user}.github.io; well, at least an indie blog. One of the fun
         | points of having an indie website is not depending/nor hosting
         | it on a centralized service...though, i can totally acknowledge
         | that sometimes cost is a factor. So for some folks - to avoid
         | hosting/tech. costs - leveraging a free, though central
         | platform might be one of the few ways to have a web presence.
         | Then again, i would miuch rather live in a world where there
         | are tons of indie websites, even if they have to live on
         | github's infrastructure; the more indie, the better!
        
       | MisterSandman wrote:
       | This could do with a language setting, but not a huge deal.
        
       | rodolphoarruda wrote:
       | I have submitted my website's URL but didn't get any confirmation
       | afterwards. Maybe it's just me and my browser, but it would be
       | nice to have something like "ok, got that link! Thanks!"
       | somewhere.
        
         | splitbrain wrote:
         | You should get exactly that. It might take a few seconds as I
         | try to find the RSS feed right away... Just try submitting
         | again, it will tell you if the link is already in the
         | submissions.
        
           | rodolphoarruda wrote:
           | Yes, it told me it has been added already. Thanks.
        
       | KaoruAoiShiho wrote:
       | We used to call this a "blog-ring"
        
         | aendruk wrote:
         | It still is; [1] is listed as a source in the FAQ.
         | 
         | [1] I typed <spider web emoji><ring emoji> but HN ate it.
         | Apparently the name of this webring is unspeakable here.
        
         | [deleted]
        
       | teucris wrote:
       | This is such a great idea. My only feedback is to try and add
       | non-technical stuff too.
       | 
       | How are you collecting sites to include in this?
        
       | q-base wrote:
       | Now that explains it. I was just looking at the stats from my
       | WordPress site and found traffic from a indieblog.page - I
       | thought it was some shady marketing page and ignored it. Here 10
       | minutes later I am on HN and see this.
       | 
       | Great idea and probs for shipping!
        
       | mrzool wrote:
       | Clicked several times on that button and this is what I've got:
       | 
       | - Performant A/B Testing with Cloudflare Workers
       | 
       | - 12 Useful Tools for DevOps
       | 
       | - Simplest alternative IDs with Rails
       | 
       | - How do I update my website using the iPad
       | 
       | - Certified Blockchain Professional - Module 03: Blockchain
       | Mining
       | 
       | - Principles for the Metaverse
       | 
       | - Overloading & Creating New Operators In Swift 5
       | 
       | - Is Agility Related to Commitment? - Money Flows Part II
       | 
       | Is the "IndieWeb" basically just English-written personal blogs
       | from HN folks now? I'd have hoped to find a bit more of a diverse
       | landscape.
        
         | aendruk wrote:
         | The sources of this database are largely outlets of self-
         | promotion. I'd consider my own site part of the IndieWeb--I
         | literally developed it at an IndieWebCamp--but you won't find
         | it listed here due to that sampling bias.
        
         | naravara wrote:
         | I had the same observation. And I suspect the answer may be
         | "yes." These are the only people remaining with the skillsets
         | and inclination to maintain a personal website. The rest, if
         | the mood strikes them to start a blog, will go for a Medium or
         | Substack page. And even those are probably the 90th percentile
         | users. The rest are just going to make big Facebook or Reddit
         | posts.
        
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         | manuelmoreale wrote:
         | I share your sentiment. I maintain a similar project
         | (https://theforest.link) and the vast, vast majority of the
         | submissions I get are dev blogs, written in English.
         | 
         | Why is that the case, that I don't know. I have two theories
         | though.
         | 
         | Theory one is that these are niche projects, and niche projects
         | are discovered by people who browse the web in "unique" ways
         | and those people tend to be, for the most part, developers.
         | 
         | The other theory is that in 2022 web, it's developer that for
         | the most part still run personal indie blogs. The majority of
         | people have moved over social media or more recently on things
         | like substack.
         | 
         | EDIT: to add an extra bit of detail from my experience. While
         | running projects like this one it's hard to decide what to do
         | with sites that are written not in a language that you speak
         | because you risk "promoting" all sorts of random stuff that
         | maybe you don't want to help promoting. So it's safer to stick
         | with content you understand and that ends up being English
        
           | mrzool wrote:
           | Hey man! Been following your blog for years. Always enjoy
           | your writing.
        
         | splitbrain wrote:
         | Unfortunatly, it's currently heavily biased towards the HN
         | crowd because of the sources I used to initially seed the list.
        
         | rodolphoarruda wrote:
         | Just for the records. I have added mine, which is written
         | mainly in Brazilian Portuguese and has low tech content that
         | derives from my day to day observations of this crazy world.
        
           | weird-eye-issue wrote:
           | Is that good though? This seems to be for an English speaking
           | audience
        
             | Shared404 wrote:
             | I appreciate it - I know a little Portuguese, but even
             | other languages I would support being added.
             | 
             | Google translate is usually good enough, and there's a lot
             | of content that is worth getting further perspectives from.
        
         | mawise wrote:
         | I really like a lot of what the IndieWeb community has come up
         | with. There is a big focus on building things yourself within
         | that community which means a lot of the members of the
         | community are very dev-heavy. https://micro.blog seems to be
         | the public-facing, easy-to-use platform that adopts most of the
         | IndieWeb technology but for a non-tech crowd--very different
         | community that you might also enjoy perusing.
        
       | BaseballPhysics wrote:
       | Oh man, it's StumbleUpon for the indieweb! I love it! I'll
       | definitely using this in my spare time. My own site is part of
       | the webring but I do love just being able to click a button and
       | land on something surprising.
       | 
       | Thanks for sharing!
        
       | floren wrote:
       | Looks great, look forward to poking around some more. Hope it
       | doesn't get destroyed by spammers!
        
       | Vox_Leone wrote:
       | >>Inspired by the "Ask HN: Share your personal site" last week,
       | 
       | I see you scraped the links on that thread [which was the smart
       | thing to do]. Cool project. Good luck.
        
         | splitbrain wrote:
         | Luckily MaxLeiter already did that for me:
         | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30963947
        
       | marginalia_nu wrote:
       | I've been dabbling in this general field as well, I do think
       | there's new things to be made here. StumbleUpon was great, but I
       | think it can be greater still.
       | 
       | I started with <https://search.marginalia.nu/explore/random> but
       | then I made <https://explore.marginalia.nu/> which I feel is the
       | superior version.
        
         | Etheryte wrote:
         | As a heads up, it isn't compliant with the ePrivacy Directive
         | (aka "the EU cookie law") that the site can't be used without
         | giving consent. Consent must be given freely. If the cookie is
         | purely functional and the site can't function without it, then
         | consent is not required. If the cookie is optional then consent
         | is required but it can't be forced.
        
           | marginalia_nu wrote:
           | The cookie is purely functional and necessary to the
           | functionality, but I'll still ask for consent even if is not
           | required.
        
             | Etheryte wrote:
             | It is not consent if the only option is to say yes.
        
               | marginalia_nu wrote:
               | I want the visitor to be informed that clicking the
               | button places a cookie on their computer and why that is
               | so that clicking the button is an informed choice. The
               | other option is to not click the button.
        
               | Etheryte wrote:
               | To try and perhaps explain a different way, that's
               | exactly what's not legal. According to the directive,
               | consent must be free, and sites must also be usable if no
               | consent is given. The setup where you either accept
               | cookies or you can't use the site at all is exactly
               | what's disallowed.
        
               | marginalia_nu wrote:
               | Right, but the site can't be used without the cookie
               | since it's required for the functionality. Am I really
               | not allowed to inform my visitors of this fact (even
               | though I'm not required to)?
        
               | mhitza wrote:
               | If you'd like you can replace the "Cookie Consent" text
               | with "Cookie Notice", and "Consent To The Cookie And
               | Begin" with a single "Begin".
               | 
               | I'm not a lawyer to understand the implication of asking
               | consent on something that doesn't require consent. Sounds
               | like a non-issue to me, and yak shaving. I would doubt
               | that anyone would bat an eye at that.
               | 
               | However, you that notice also states that "and which
               | websites you would like to see more of.". I'm not sure
               | how that information is stored in the backend and how
               | often is deleted, but that could be considered profiling.
               | 
               | You could have users consent to the preference
               | information only, standard history cookies being
               | implicit/essential functionality.
               | 
               | Alternatively 2, just change the text to ~ "this
               | functionality essentially requires cookie to avoid
               | repetition, and drilling down based on preferences", with
               | a "sounds good to me" button. Might want to have cookies
               | expire on browser close.
               | 
               | TL;DR don't sweat it.
        
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         | ancientsofmumu wrote:
         | Random drive-by user feedback: I like Random density better -
         | the number of sites I don't want to visit is greater than the
         | number which I'm interested in, Explore is too modal/singular
         | at a time. The 20x density of the Random page is quicker to
         | scan and discard results within seconds to try and find
         | something I'm willing to click into that piques my curiosity,
         | as I may reload the Random page a few times to get a hit I
         | like.
        
           | marginalia_nu wrote:
           | Yeah I'm not planning on retiring any of the services. They
           | require virtually no resources or maintenance, odds are I'll
           | make even more attempts at exploring this domain in the
           | future.
           | 
           | Having both an exhaustive link database from the search
           | engine, as well as 300,000 screenshots makes for _a lot_ of
           | opportunities to experiment.
        
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