[HN Gopher] Insect Hotel
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       Insect Hotel
        
       Author : keiferski
       Score  : 111 points
       Date   : 2022-04-12 10:44 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | duxup wrote:
       | I have some "wild" area on my property. Tree falls... I leave it.
       | Bugs need homes.
       | 
       | There's plenty of landscaped area too, but a neighboring pond,
       | marshy area allowed me to let my land next to it stay wild too.
       | 
       | I get foxes, rabbits, bald and golden eagles, and owls come buy
       | to clean out the rabbits from time to time. Huge Sandhill cranes,
       | ducks, turtles, massive snapping turtles.
       | 
       | It's not a massive area but it attracts so much life.
        
         | tijuco2 wrote:
         | So basically you leave in paradise :)
        
           | duxup wrote:
           | Teeny tiny slice in a suburb ;)
        
       | hjyfyhrdytrfu wrote:
        
       | alexcroox wrote:
       | We have these all over the UK, can't say I've ever spotted
       | anything crawling in or around them though.
        
       | Cockbrand wrote:
       | Over here in Europe, kids commonly build these in Kindergarten.
       | They're a great tool to make kids aware of insects and their role
       | in nature.
        
         | jeofken wrote:
         | In what country?
        
         | Quarrelsome wrote:
         | ye, there's a little walkway just down from where I live that
         | has a bunch of these made by local schoolkids.
        
       | adg001 wrote:
       | Some design ideas for those of us willing to build our own insect
       | hotels
       | 
       | https://learninglandscapesdesign.com/insect-hotels/
        
       | bragr wrote:
       | I'm really struck by how beautiful these end up being. Using
       | common materials to create all those small spaces seems like a
       | very cheap and accessible project. Are there any major design
       | considerations? Presumably what sized spaces the local insect
       | population prefers?
        
         | didsomeonesay wrote:
         | I was taught two things when building a miniature version with
         | the kid in a forest education center:
         | 
         | - after drilling holes, make sure to smooth the edges; insect
         | wings could get stuck or damaged on unnaturally rough edges
         | that the wood drilling bits leave. - best to place the insect
         | hotel with the openings facing west
        
           | _Microft wrote:
           | > with the openings facing west
           | 
           | This also depends on the local climate and wind direction.
           | Here it is recommended that the holes face south. That helps
           | against rain which is commonly coming from west as this is
           | the prevailing wind direction here.
        
         | throwanem wrote:
         | Size and nesting habit, yep. For example, mud daubers and
         | allies need straight holes in wood, and so do carpenter bees,
         | but they have different size preferences. Social wasps need
         | different sorts of shelters entirely for their nests, and
         | honeybees a different sort again that we conventionally call
         | "hive boxes".
        
       | lom wrote:
       | If you don't want to build one of these on your own you can also
       | buy them in many places, at least in germany.
        
         | tobylane wrote:
         | I have one from a British garden centre. It's in sight but I
         | haven't looked to see who's in it.
        
       | thinkingemote wrote:
       | Ive one, and it was used almost immediately after I got it.
       | However this article, nor any of the shop pages, or anywhere that
       | I can find about them does it state: How long it lasts, How to
       | maintain it, what to do after insects fill up the holes, etc.
       | 
       | Seems to me that it was in operation for one year, and then got
       | fill up with insect nesting material, and now is inoperable. Not
       | very sustainable if that's the case.
       | 
       | Does anyone know how long they last and what to do after a year?
       | Logically, as far as I know, wasps and bees do not go back to
       | their nest after they are done with them. The nests dont grow and
       | grow. They move on after queens are produced. (Bee hives are man
       | made structures which are maintained by bee keepers)
       | 
       | Bird nesting boxes tend to be cleaned out by birds, or re-used I
       | think. At least some can be cleaned by humans if necessary.
        
         | fxleach wrote:
         | Here is a great resource for the upkeep:
         | https://www.foxleas.com/make-a-bee-hotel.asp
        
           | thinkingemote wrote:
           | Many thanks!!! I now have a great Easter holiday garden task.
           | I might even try editing the wikipedia article with
           | maintenance tips.
        
       | croo wrote:
       | I drove a lot of 3-4 cm deep different sized holes in a piece of
       | firewood and put it to a dry and bee accessible place next to our
       | house. Every hole got filled by next spring.
        
         | Findecanor wrote:
         | I've been told the holes should be at least 5 cm deep,
         | preferably 10-15 cm (4-6 inches).
         | 
         | I've heard of insect hotels being raided by insect-feeding
         | birds when the holes hadn't been deep enough.
        
           | croo wrote:
           | Well I didn't do any scientific research about the project
           | but it definitely works and the bees/hornets like it. We also
           | have a lots of birds (20 or so different species) and no one
           | attacked it so far. I guess I can try deeper holes on my next
           | iteration :) it will depend on the firewood.
        
       | zabzonk wrote:
       | What about "roach motels" - they check in, but they don't check
       | out (if you are lucky). Due to sticky instectecide. Believe me
       | you don't want to have roaches, no matter what your feelings are
       | for lovely insects (I like butterflies, bees, dragonflies,
       | ladybirds and such).
        
         | zabzonk wrote:
         | OK I can't spell insectecide.
        
           | gojomo wrote:
           | IIUC you have a 2hr grace period to edit or delete an HN
           | comment. So your aside here could be replaced by a correction
           | instead.
        
       | cpach wrote:
       | We have some of those in our little town.
       | 
       | They are built like miniatures of other buildings, like the
       | brewery, the water tower, a manor, etc. Quite cute :)
       | 
       | https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/sormland/miniatyrer-av-byg...
        
       | poisonborz wrote:
       | These are very popular in Europe, with city municipalities and
       | institutions deploying them en masse on their grounds... but I've
       | never seen any insects around them. One would think they'd be
       | swarming with life? Can anyone confirm these are useful, and not
       | just greenwashing "look, we care" signposts?
        
         | fleddr wrote:
         | They most definitely work, insects need very little and will
         | almost immediately move in, granted it is positioned correctly
         | (outside wind, not in full sun).
         | 
         | People just have the wrong expectation. It's not some
         | entertainment device where you permanently see a 100 insects
         | flying in front of it. Most insects stuff it with food and/or
         | their larvae.
        
         | thinkingemote wrote:
         | they work, but I don't know whether they keep on working past a
         | year or two.
        
           | johannes1234321 wrote:
           | They can work longer, but one should keep an eye on them and
           | sometimes clean from parasites etc.
        
       | fxleach wrote:
       | A friendly reminder that these insect hotels need annual
       | maintenance, or else you will eventually have a parasite haven.
       | 
       | https://colinpurrington.com/2019/05/horrors-of-mass-produced...
        
         | Fomite wrote:
         | When we moved into our new place, we put our fence in a few
         | feet from the actual back of our house, and planted a strip of
         | native, pollinator-friendly plants in a little micromeadow.
         | 
         | Cannot recommend it enough.
        
         | fleddr wrote:
         | I get the point that if you buy a device with the singular goal
         | to maximize a bee population, the author has many valid points.
         | 
         | But there's counter points. The first one being is that most of
         | these products, including the one the author is showing in the
         | opening of the article, are not bee hotels. They are insect
         | hotels.
         | 
         | Parasitic insects are insects. And there's nothing inherently
         | wrong with them. My tubes are filled with solitary bees, wasps
         | stuffing their tube with tiny spiders, bumblebees, a whole
         | bunch of diversity. And yes, there's competition for tubes and
         | parasitic behavior.
         | 
         | Which is all perfectly normal and natural. I photograph insects
         | as a hobby. In the wild, parasitic behavior is the norm. Most
         | caterpillars are dead before they know it, as they're easy prey
         | for parasitic wasps to inject their eggs into. Many insects are
         | covered in mites.
         | 
         | What can I say? Insects have a short and brutal life. Most
         | don't make it to adulthood and that is kind of how it is
         | supposed to be.
         | 
         | This is not to say that many of the tips in the article are
         | bad, they are still good. But not just for bees, they are good
         | tips in general.
         | 
         | The one tip I'd stress the most is the cheap nests being too
         | shallow. In moderate climates where there's an actual winter,
         | don't be afraid to go 30cm deep.
         | 
         | The other thing I'd add is to think of their "habitat" outside
         | the hotel. Digg in a bucket of water and you'll have a mini
         | pond where many will come to drink. Plants the proper flowers,
         | etc.
        
         | pvorb wrote:
         | Thanks! I had no idea about these issues.
        
         | greggsy wrote:
         | I had no idea - very eye opening. The solution was very
         | pragmatic too:
         | 
         | "After all the bees finish emerging (summer), throw out the
         | house. Or, better, burn it and record a video of the fire."
        
           | nomel wrote:
           | It really makes you wonder how they survive in the wild
           | without us!
        
       | robga wrote:
       | Local apian friends prefer the AirBnB.
        
         | MisterTea wrote:
         | So these are AirBeenBee's then?
        
       | tomcam wrote:
       | > Solitary bees and wasps
       | 
       | Makes me imagine middle-aged mail bees in their insect hotel late
       | at night, watching too much bee porn and drinking too much
       | naturally fermented blackberry wine, wondering where their lives
       | have gone
        
         | the_af wrote:
         | Haha.
         | 
         | I didn't even know solitary bees species existed. Live and
         | learn.
        
           | fleddr wrote:
           | It's cool that you're open to learning. Most people don't
           | know that pretty much every bee species is solitary. Social
           | bees are exceptional.
        
           | progre wrote:
           | You knew about bumblebees right? Those are solitary bees
           | (most of them, there are colonizing bumblebees as well)
        
             | throwanem wrote:
             | Some are in between! Some carpenter bees will share the
             | same brood tunnel, cooperatively maintaining and enlarging
             | it while individual bees build their own side tunnels for
             | their babies.
        
             | the_af wrote:
             | Yes, but for some reason I don't think of bumblebees as
             | bees. Irrational, I know!
        
         | malort wrote:
         | Wishing he had chosen a path in life like most of his drone
         | buddies who settled down, mated with a queen, had their
         | genitals explode, and then died immediately after?
        
           | tomcam wrote:
           | You make it sound like a bad thing
        
         | throwanem wrote:
         | Never seen a male wasp drunk. Females, sure; I have a fig tree
         | tall enough that some of the fruits are hard to reach, so they
         | stay on the branches while they ferment, and that tree became
         | _very_ popular with the foragers from a nearby bald-faced
         | yellowjacket nest late last summer - at that point the work of
         | the year and the lives of the wasps are likewise nearly done,
         | so it seems only fair they should enjoy themselves a bit in
         | retirement.
         | 
         | One of them had a bit too much last year and ended up sleeping
         | it off on my porch window! It was interesting to watch her
         | sleep - you wouldn't think it off the top of your head, but you
         | can tell what stage of sleep they're in by their breathing,
         | just as with sleeping humans. https://aaron-m.com/wp-
         | content/uploads/2021/12/img_8240.jpg
        
       | gorgoiler wrote:
       | I had a heap of old wet logs that I was going to cover up,
       | season, and then idk do something with them.
       | 
       | I moved one and disturbed three hibernating admiral butterflies.
       | The log went back on the pile and it's been left there for years.
       | The thought of disturbing their life like that fills me with
       | remorse and gradually more and more of my garden is turning into
       | carefully nurtured fallow ground.
       | 
       | You have to stay on top of the weeds. Some plants just muscle in
       | and fuck it up for everyone else. I'm looking at you, comfrey.
       | Pulling their satanic tap roots out one by one gives me great
       | pleasure. They are the devil's carrot.
       | 
       | Cowslips and oxslips are good sharers of ground. They seem to
       | push out the asshole plants but let others grow around them. You
       | can collect the heads in late summer and harvest the seed to
       | vernalise and grow new slips. I managed to convert 15000 seeds --
       | yes, I counted them -- into ten new plants. Maybe I'll do better
       | next year.
       | 
       | My garden blends from suburban stuck up prissyness, through wild
       | flowers, then brush, and into weedy chaos. The opulence of the
       | former hopefully balanced by the diversity of the latter.
       | 
       | Too many brown widows though. They seem to really like the home
       | I've made. Oh well. I guess you can't have citron butterflies
       | without also risking a nasty bite.
       | 
       | The best insect hotel is a pile of firewood that is too open for
       | butterfly hibernation. It is covered with slates and will get
       | burned on cool summer nights once the residents have moved out.
       | The ash goes into the scrub patch as fertiliser. I should burn
       | the comfrey and feed it back to the survivors of my purge, as a
       | macabre justice.
        
       | quercusa wrote:
       | There's a significant downside to congregating (e.g.) solitary
       | bees - they can get cleaned out by predators. We had every tube
       | in a 30-tube hotel opened and emptied over a weekend by some kind
       | of parasitoid wasp.
       | 
       | Now we leave old flower stalks up over the winter.
        
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