[HN Gopher] The most popular chess streamer on Twitch
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       The most popular chess streamer on Twitch
        
       Author : mitchbob
       Score  : 207 points
       Date   : 2022-04-13 12:27 UTC (10 hours ago)
        
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       | Beltiras wrote:
       | The name of the opening is hilarious! I'd love to see how A0
       | would treat Stockfish if forced to use it.
        
       | cjg wrote:
       | There's a general life lesson here: ease up and enjoy it.
        
         | kenjackson wrote:
         | The other lesson is that often the people that succeed are
         | people who can lean into the intensity and are OK with it. For
         | example, look at someone like Michael Jordan -- extremely
         | competitive. But its almost as if that's their fuel. And when
         | they leave competitive environments then they miss them. Steve
         | Jobs and Bill Gates seem to have some of that in them too.
         | 
         | That said, its not something I have. I'm OK not being the
         | world's best at something -- I'm OK just enjoying riding my
         | bike through the park.
        
           | apalmer wrote:
           | 'succeed' is kinda loaded here. Your really talking about
           | world best, in that I agree the people who are world best are
           | gonna have to have some innate ability to handle the pressure
           | of competing at world best.
           | 
           | For more general definitions of success, being able to not be
           | so intense can SOMETIMES be a benefit.
        
         | epolanski wrote:
         | also, keep practicing 24/7.
        
         | ra88it wrote:
         | I agree that this should always be considered, no matter the
         | activity. But it is hard, and games like Chess make it
         | particularly challenging.
         | 
         | I will start a game of Go, completely relaxed and with the goal
         | of staying relaxed and enjoying the game. Sometimes it works if
         | my opponent falls behind early, but if my opponent is worthy...
         | watch my heart rate over the course of the game.
         | 
         | There is no point in playing if you don't care about the
         | outcome. I wish there was, I wish it was like making a
         | painting, I wish it was nothing more than making something
         | beautiful with the go stones.
         | 
         | It's impossible to play as much Chess as he does and truly not
         | care, but I think he is figuring out ways to care differently,
         | and that might be key.
        
       | underdeserver wrote:
       | I'm pretty sure the "I literally don't care" is a reference to
       | one of Carlsen's answers in an interview ("I don't even remotely
       | care").
        
       | assbuttbuttass wrote:
       | I'm so excited for Hikaru in the candidates. It was his stream
       | actually that got me back into chess during the lockdown.
        
       | fareesh wrote:
       | I remember reading that Twitch banned him for re-streaming a Dr
       | Disrespect chess match with commentary because Dr Disrespect is
       | banned on Twitch
       | 
       | Dr Disrespect is a popular game streamer
        
         | apetresc wrote:
         | This is true, but it was a temporary suspension rather than a
         | ban (as it was supposed to be according to Twitch's ToCs)
        
       | jdoliner wrote:
       | Hikaru is an amazing showman, he's gotten a ton of people
       | interested in chess over the last two years. This is my favorite
       | video from his stream in which he premoves an entire game.[0]
       | It's edited, he didn't actually do this against Magnus, but the
       | video is absolutely hilarious anyways, especially for how Hikaru
       | acts while it plays out.
       | 
       | [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZ7-8MntaEo
        
       | gwern wrote:
       | > "Nakamura beat the crafty Hungarian Grandmaster Richard Rapport
       | in the first of two semifinal matches. In the video detailing his
       | second, he explained his philosophy. "Now, one of the big
       | differences between now and two or three years ago when I was
       | playing chess professionally--that's all I was doing for the most
       | part--is that I literally don't care," Nakamura said. "What that
       | means is that, in a lot of these situations now, I'll just pick a
       | line and play it at the board. I will not worry about trying to
       | pick the precise line or something that I've looked at most
       | recently. I will just choose to show up and play the line that I
       | want to play." Chess competition is stressful, and being one of
       | the best players in the world doesn't make it any less so. After
       | a draw on day five of the tournament, Rapport--who won the second
       | leg of the Grand Prix and clinched a spot in the Candidates weeks
       | later--gave an unrelentingly brutal post-match interview, in
       | which he called himself his toughest opponent and pondered what
       | he could have done with his life had he not devoted it to an
       | underfunded, unforgiving game. "I wish I had chosen something
       | else," Rapport said. "If I had put in a similar amount of time
       | and energy over the years, I think I'd be a happier person as of
       | now."
       | 
       | > It is only in this context that Nakamura's "I don't care"
       | mantra approaches truth. Once hailed as the future of American
       | chess, Nakamura has devoted his life to an ultracompetitive game,
       | one that only two or three dozen people can make a comfortable
       | living solely from playing. As he rose up the world ranks, he
       | treated opponents like enemies and used criticism as fuel,
       | becoming a highly disliked member of the chess scene. In online
       | chess, where he was known for his blitz prowess since the two-
       | thousands, he often accused opponents of cheating and fired off
       | nasty messages after losses. The "I literally don't care" mantra
       | itself is a reference to Nakamura's bitter reaction to a fluke
       | online loss in which he repeated the phrase many more times than
       | one would expect from someone who literally did not care."
        
       | Shadonototra wrote:
       | His chat isn't very active, i checked chess.com, they feature
       | embeds of livestreams, legal viewbotting, that puts things in
       | perspective
       | 
       | Similar to Fextralife, and how they use their gaming WIKI website
       | to feature their livestream and inflate the viewership on Twitch
       | 
       | This should be against the TOS imo
        
         | olkingcole wrote:
         | This is odd to read because his chat moves pretty quick from
         | what I have seen, in line with streams of similar size. Lots of
         | memes and emote spam.
         | 
         | But in general I agree with you, the embeds can be easily
         | abused and distort the popularity of streamers on twitch,
         | giving some an unfair advantage. In an industry where success
         | depends heavily on the number of eyeballs on your content and
         | where twitch itself prioritizes larger streams it is
         | unacceptable in my opinion. Long term it directly undermines
         | the natural growth of developing streams, the process that has
         | given us a rich and dynamic twitch community in the first
         | place. The topic deserves an article if it hasn't been written
         | about already.
        
       | Kiro wrote:
       | People suggesting other chess channels misunderstand what Hikaru
       | is about. It's about the memes, chat spam and interaction with
       | other non-chess streamers. He's part of a bigger Twitch community
       | of streamers that has become like its own reality show.
        
         | V-2 wrote:
         | Do they? Not necessarily. That's quite a generalisation. I get
         | the humour, it's just not my cup of tea.
        
           | Kiro wrote:
           | What I mean is that it's wrong to compare Hikaru to other
           | chess channels. I don't watch him to get better at chess and
           | I wouldn't be surprised if most viewers have no actual
           | interest in chess. If they are it definitely makes sense to
           | check out the channels in this thread but for me, as a casual
           | Hikaru viewer, they are something else.
        
         | elliekelly wrote:
         | It feels like Hikaru is WSB-ing Chess. I don't mean that in a
         | dismissive way, though. There's a lot less downside (maybe
         | none?) for Joe Schmoe internet n00b suddenly acquiring a
         | fanatical interest in chess.
        
           | javier2 wrote:
           | Yup, half WSB, half reality show. And what makes it really
           | funny is that Carlsen is also a legendary troll.
        
       | birken wrote:
       | For all of those getting excited about Hikaru in the candidates,
       | keep in mind the 3 strongest players in the world who aren't
       | Magnus didn't play in the FIDE Grand Prix for various reasons:
       | Alireza Firouzja (already qualified), Ding Liren (weird travel
       | restrictions) and Fabi (already qualified).
       | 
       | At least two of them and likely all 3 are going to be in the
       | candidates, so this is just going to be an entirely different
       | level of competition. The betting odds put Hikaru at <10% chance
       | to win, which seems about right to me. Hikaru was also in trouble
       | at various times in the FIDE Grand Prix but escaped some very bad
       | positions with draws, which against higher level competition he
       | might not be so lucky.
       | 
       | I'm not necessarily a Hikaru fan, but I enjoyed his post-game
       | recaps after the grand prix matches, because that type of
       | analysis isn't something any other top level players are going to
       | do for fear of revealing some weaknesses that opponents can seize
       | upon (and believe me... Hikaru's opponent's teams will be
       | scouting those videos). However, not caring can only get you so
       | far as the level of competition increases.
        
         | russian_bots wrote:
         | He also won 3 times on demand, including against Levon Aronian.
         | 
         | > but escaped some very bad positions with draws, which against
         | higher level competition he might not be so lucky.
         | 
         | Hikaru is well-known for being able to defend insanely well,
         | and highly capable of escaping with draws against any level of
         | player. This is such a strangely critically toned comment.
        
         | oldstrangers wrote:
         | It's so weird to see so many people online going out of their
         | way to explain why Hikaru won't do well. The eagerness to
         | discredit him is just perplexing.
         | 
         | He's earned the recognition already, he's a former #2 in the
         | world and one of only a handful of players to ever have an ELO
         | over 2800. Just enjoy his resurgence and see where it takes
         | him.
        
           | sillysaurusx wrote:
           | I think Hikaru wouldn't want people coming to his defense
           | like this. He'd be the first to acknowledge how strong Ding
           | is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbAkk150pqs
           | 
           | It's not discrediting Hikaru to say that there are strong
           | players that can't participate.
        
             | oldstrangers wrote:
             | I'm not coming to his defense. I'm just making a point that
             | the arguments against him 1) aren't that great and 2)
             | usually come from a place of animosity towards Hikaru (he's
             | abrasive, I get it).
        
           | mellosouls wrote:
           | Hikaru himself has acknowledged it is very unlikely he can be
           | champion.
        
             | [deleted]
        
           | javert wrote:
           | I feel like this is a rude thing to say. The psychoanalysis
           | just isn't necessary or appropriate.
        
           | joshuamorton wrote:
           | I don't think anything about that comment was discrediting
           | (and I generally enjoy Hikaru's content!). He was solidly
           | middle of the pack in the Grand Prix, but he's going to be
           | tied for lowest rating in the candidates.
           | 
           | That's an exceedingly good argument that he's unlikely to do
           | particularly well (and it's likely his betting market is
           | somewhat inflated by his fan base, his real odds are probably
           | lower!)
        
             | oldstrangers wrote:
             | "Hikaru was solidly middle of the pack in the Grand
             | Prix..." after winning the first Grand Prix in Berlin ...
             | And assuring himself a place in the candidates tournament
             | before the final Grand Prix had even finished?
             | 
             | I point out that its odd the number of people going out of
             | their way to discredit Hikaru, so a bunch more people
             | follow up by doubling down on discrediting Hikaru.
             | 
             | Anyways, if you're familiar with what makes Hikaru great,
             | you understand why Hikaru has as good a chance as anyone.
        
               | joshuamorton wrote:
               | > Hikaru was solidly middle of the pack in the Grand
               | Prix...
               | 
               | This is factually true. He was like 6/16 in elo in the
               | first and 7/16 in the third leg. He'll be 8/8 in the
               | candidates. Literally nothing I've said _discredits_ him.
               | His performance was _unexpectedly_ strong, that 's giving
               | _extra_ credit for an impressive performance. But I 'm
               | also realistic.
               | 
               | > Anyways, if you're familiar with what makes Hikaru
               | great, you understand why Hikaru has as good a chance as
               | anyone.
               | 
               | Lol no, and Hikaru would be the first to tell you he has
               | at most an outside chance. You claim you're not defending
               | Hikaru, but you really, really are. In fact, you're
               | reading things into comments that weren't actually said,
               | and assuming these things that weren't actually said are
               | criticisms of Hikaru and it's worth asking yourself why
               | you're doing that.
        
               | tibbar wrote:
               | Actually Hikaru would be (as of today) 6/8 among the
               | Candidates in classical ELO, as the world #11 in live
               | ratings. If anything, Hikaru is probably _underrated_ ;
               | he gained around 20 ELO points in the two Grand Prix
               | legs. Like the OP, I'll disclaim being a Hikaru
               | apologist; but he is world #1 in blitz and world #2
               | (briefly #1 this year) in rapid rating, which is why, for
               | example, http://universalrating.com/ratings.php has him
               | as world #2 in general playing strength. If a game gets
               | into time trouble in the Candidates, he's the favorite
               | against any of the competition. It seems his strategy is
               | just to survive the openings and then try to outplay or
               | flag people later on, which is a surprisingly viable
               | strategy.
        
               | joshuamorton wrote:
               | Who is he higher than? He's tied for last as of current
               | ratings on the fide website, or does that not yet include
               | results from grand prix round 3? (Which would put him
               | ahead of Teimor and Duda, presumably)
               | 
               | > seems his strategy is just to survive the openings and
               | then try to outplay or flag people later on, which is a
               | surprisingly viable strategy.
               | 
               | This doesn't work when people are both stronger
               | middlegame players than you and know your strategy. And
               | of course Ian and Alireza are liable to put hikaru in
               | time pressure even if they don't straight outplay him.
        
               | llimllib wrote:
               | https://2700chess.com/ (live ratings) has him over
               | Radjabov and Duda currently
        
               | tibbar wrote:
               | As sibling comment says, he's higher than Duda + Radjabov
               | in live ratings now.
               | 
               | It's just not obvious to me that any of your statements
               | about the other players being so much stronger than
               | Hikaru are true. It's really hard to objectively estimate
               | his classical playing strength because he just didn't
               | play for two years and the rating has been volatile since
               | he started playing again, but (for example) he played 4
               | classical games with Levon Aronian between the two legs
               | with a +1 -1 =2 score, and +2 -0 =0 in rapid tiebreaks.
               | Aronian is a roughly 2780 player, world #5, likely to be
               | the strongest player who missed candidates. Hikaru also
               | scored 50% in classical Grand Prix matches with Wesley So
               | and Shakhriyar Mamedyarov, two other strong top-10
               | players.
        
               | joshuamorton wrote:
               | My argument would be something like: Aronian was the
               | strongest player Hikaru played (and was the highest rated
               | player in both Grand Prix events Hikaru participated in).
               | Depending on how you determine things, either 3 or 5 of
               | the participants are rated higher than Aronian is/was in
               | classical, and Naka won't be able to rely on winning the
               | rapid against any of Ian, Duda, Alireza, Ding, Rapport or
               | even Caruana, because they're not 150 points worse than
               | him in Rapid (well except Alireza but that's probably
               | inaccurate).
               | 
               | If the best Hikaru can do is draw against So and Aronian,
               | that's not going to cut it in the candidates. Maybe he
               | can o better than that, but there's nothing we've seen
               | that suggests that.
        
               | oldstrangers wrote:
               | You seem to have no sporting understanding of how the
               | Grand Prix tournament works. His goal was to qualify for
               | the candidates, he did exactly as much as was needed for
               | that, nothing more. His positioning within the field is
               | completely meaningless from a results perspective
               | considering he won the only meaningful prize of
               | qualifying for the candidates. The fact that you're
               | misunderstanding the significance of that tells me you
               | don't really understand any of this.
               | 
               | I guarantee you every top chess player is favoring Hikaru
               | a lot more than you are. Even Danya has said as much.
               | People that know, know. It's that simple.
        
               | joshuamorton wrote:
               | I've never said anything about Hikarus performance or
               | goal in the Grand Prix. I said he was middle of the pack
               | going in. You're trying to argue about things I never
               | said, to defend hikaru against accusations I never made.
               | Which is fine, but admit you're defending him if you're
               | going to do that, don't pretend you aren't.
        
               | oldstrangers wrote:
               | At this point I'm just refuting absurd chess arguments
               | more than I'm defending Hikaru. Objectively Hikaru is one
               | of the best places in the world. I'd make similar
               | defenses for most players on his level.
               | 
               | Your criticisms so far have little to do with actual
               | chess, despite your attempts to make them as such. You
               | have a clear bias mixed with a casual understanding of
               | the game and it doesn't hold up very well.
        
               | joshuamorton wrote:
               | > Objectively Hikaru is one of the best places in the
               | world. I'd make similar defenses for most players on his
               | level.
               | 
               | Yes, as are many of the players he beat in the Grand
               | Prix, most of whom would stand _no_ chance whatsoever in
               | the candidates. One can acknowledge that he 's one of the
               | best players while also acknowledging that he's clearly
               | not one of the top 3 in classical chess.
               | 
               | He knows that too. That doesn't mean I don't look forward
               | to him competing and seeing how he does. I do! Despite
               | what you think I like Hikaru and enjoy his content and
               | play! But like I said, I'm realistic about his chances.
        
           | debacle wrote:
           | And he's fun. People like him (and Magnus, and the Botez
           | sisters) because they are fun.
           | 
           | On Twitch, the most successful players almost never have the
           | most viewership.
        
             | [deleted]
        
             | twojacobtwo wrote:
             | Tangential question, but did the Botez sisters ever make a
             | 180 on their seeming apologism regarding Saudi slavery
             | practices?
        
               | epolanski wrote:
               | Is that important?
        
               | Eldt wrote:
               | They did
        
             | pkulak wrote:
             | Gotham is my favorite, and he's "not even a GM". But once
             | you're 1000+ points higher than me, it just doesn't matter.
             | All these guys and gals are so indescribably better than me
             | at chess, that I'm choosing based on communication and
             | other intangibles.
        
               | cellis wrote:
               | I thought he recently became a GM?
        
               | ddurkin wrote:
               | That was an April fools joke he played
        
               | [deleted]
        
               | oldstrangers wrote:
               | Gotham is hilarious.
        
               | jointpdf wrote:
               | Levy is also a very talented (and entertaining) teacher,
               | in my opinion.
        
               | pkulak wrote:
               | Danger levels!
        
           | Barrin92 wrote:
           | he's a very volatile player, both in temperament as well as
           | in playstyle. When he plays well, he plays really well but
           | his up and downs are extreme. And if there's one tendency, in
           | particular in modern chess, it's that rock solid consistency
           | is a requirement for pretty much any world champion.
           | 
           | I see Hikaru similar to Ivanchuk (who also peaked at nr. 2 in
           | the world). Brilliant player but rarely the favorite for long
           | chess competitions.
        
             | geerlingguy wrote:
             | He's like the BTC of Chess players?
        
         | [deleted]
        
       | sunsetMurk wrote:
       | He's live right now[1] going through this New Yorker article
       | line-by-line.
       | 
       | Offering some great clarifications, context, etc. The internet is
       | great.
       | 
       | 1- https://www.twitch.tv/gmhikaru
        
         | verhaust wrote:
         | I missed it although I'm curious what he said. Do you mind
         | summarizing a bit?
        
           | sunsetMurk wrote:
           | I wish I could provide a useful summary, but I had it on
           | while I was prepping for a meeting so I wasn't really paying
           | attention. I was more surprised at my timing of seeing it on
           | HN, searching for his twitch profile, and then right then he
           | was going through the article I had open in another tab.
           | 
           | I think if you're a subscriber (I'm not) you can replay his
           | stream from earlier.
           | 
           | I do remember he said somethings like...
           | 
           | > 'the chess stuff that they're talking about isn't 100%
           | accurate, but close enough. No one will know/care about that
           | who's reading the article'
           | 
           | > 'it seems the things they're quoting they've pulled from
           | previous streams'
        
           | chadrs wrote:
           | He literally doesn't even care
        
       | bjourne wrote:
       | This article (I read it) felt like a fluff piece to me. Nothing
       | interesting in it about Nakamura nor chess in general.
        
         | [deleted]
        
       | incomingpain wrote:
       | Hikaru is awesome to watch.
       | 
       | He's headed to the candidates where I hope he takes it. It will
       | be amazing for chess to see him compete for world championship.
        
         | Scarblac wrote:
         | Carlsen has a huge plus score against him though, I'd expect
         | the match to be extremely one sided. Something in Nakamura's
         | style doesn't work against Magnus.
        
           | mattbuilds wrote:
           | To be fair, something in everyone's style doesn't work
           | against Magnus. Very few (if any) top players have a winning
           | record vs him.
        
             | oldstrangers wrote:
             | After the Nepo match, no one has a winning score against
             | Magnus if I remember correctly.
        
             | Scarblac wrote:
             | Of course, but Carlsen - Nakamura is 14 - 1, and 26 draws*.
             | That's a huge winning percentage at top level, other top
             | GMs may have a minus score but not like that.
             | 
             | *: https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?page=2&pid=5294
             | 8&pi...
        
         | alar44 wrote:
         | Hikaru will get wiped by Carlson. Hikaru is a blitz/bullet
         | player, not classical. They are different games.
        
           | cellis wrote:
           | Not just Carlson.. any of the candidates are capable of
           | beating him ... most have higher elo and that elo is well
           | deserved and stupendously hard won at that level. Wesley So
           | beat him in the Grand Prix, he was in trouble once against
           | Esipenko. I don't think he'll have as hard of a time against
           | eg Ian Nepomniatchi ( Nepo likes speed which is Hikarus
           | superpower ), But Ding Liren ( depending on Karjakins dq and
           | Lirens play ofc ) Caruana, or Wesley So will beat him
           | easily...
        
           | fourseventy wrote:
           | Hikaru used to be ranked #2 in the world in classical with an
           | elo over 2800.... "not a classical player" lol
        
             | alar44 wrote:
             | And is currently 16 and has been dropping over the last 8
             | years. Kasparov also used to be number 1. That's just how
             | it goes. He's a much stronger bullet/blitz player and this
             | isn't news to anyone. There's a reason people are surprised
             | he qualified.
        
               | pg_bot wrote:
               | He's 11th in classical currently and there isn't much
               | separation from 4th to 20th. He has a pretty good record
               | against all of his opponents in classical. He's never
               | lost to Rapport, Liren, Duda, or Radjabov. He is 3-2-5
               | against Nepo, 6-7-33 against Caruana, and he's never
               | played Firouzja.
        
           | incomingpain wrote:
           | >Hikaru will get wiped by Carlson. Hikaru is a blitz/bullet
           | player, not classical. They are different games.
           | 
           | I can personally attest to this but Hikaru has been unusually
           | strong in classical in his return. Hence why he's headed to
           | the candidates.
           | 
           | Also remember... Hikaru might just end up being champion.
           | Carlsen said he'll only fight firouzja.
        
             | Bostonian wrote:
             | I don't think Carlsen would actually give up the title to
             | Nakamura without a match.
        
               | incomingpain wrote:
               | >I don't think Carlsen would actually give up the title
               | to Nakamura without a match.
               | 
               | Oh ya I agree, I think such a competition would be
               | amazing.
        
           | KptMarchewa wrote:
           | He probably will be wiped. However, this comment would make
           | more sense if he didn't literally beat a lot of good players
           | in classical chess, winning FIDE Grand Prix 2022.
        
           | oldstrangers wrote:
           | Everyone gets wiped by Carlsen, so this isn't a hot take.
        
       | mellosouls wrote:
       | Previous discussion on the subject, different article:
       | 
       | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23537774
        
       | mkaic wrote:
       | Hikaru is fun but my personal favorite chess streamer is Eric
       | Rosen, an incredibly chill, laid-back, witty IM who loves gambits
       | and stalemate traps and radiates good vibes on stream. Super
       | funny, super wholesome, and super instructive too!
        
       | tuvi13 wrote:
       | One of the best yt channels for opening study is HangingPawns:
       | https://www.youtube.com/c/HangingPawns
       | 
       | Just great for starters and advanced players. Stjepan is a great
       | teacher and 2013 ELO so not a GM but on the way towards that
       | goal.
        
         | greedo wrote:
         | Eh, I find Stjepan a bit too scattered in his discussion. He
         | takes tangents that can confuse beginners (under 1200 or so)
         | when trying to comprehend the openings he is discussing.
         | 
         | Learning from online YTubers/Twitch streamers can be a mixed
         | bag. They make the moves seem so easy and logical, without
         | explaining a lot of the why's. Danya is one I love to watch,
         | but he just sees things that players below his level have a
         | hard time envisioning. Rosen is the chillest to watch, but his
         | love of dubious gambits can encourage bad habits as well.
        
           | michaelt wrote:
           | I don't know much about chess, but in other fields I've come
           | to suspect the youtube video market for _detailed education_
           | is both a lot smaller, and a lot more time-consuming to serve
           | than the market for _topic-themed entertainment_
           | 
           | For example, imagine I'm restoring a classic 1980s Mini.
           | There's a lot of detail that's only really interesting to
           | people who are actually doing the same task - which is hardly
           | anyone. That's not going to be a highly-rated youtube series.
           | 
           | Whereas a magazine series that shows restored classic cars
           | and provides _some_ details and advice, but keeps things
           | light enough you can half-watch while eating and you won 't
           | miss too much? Much more accessible, much bigger audience.
        
             | jowsie wrote:
             | > For example, imagine I'm restoring a classic 1980s Mini.
             | There's a lot of detail that's only really interesting to
             | people who are actually doing the same task - which is
             | hardly anyone. That's not going to be a highly-rated
             | youtube series.
             | 
             | Project Binky goes against this, great series
             | 
             | https://www.youtube.com/c/BadObsessionMotorsport
        
               | michaelt wrote:
               | I like Project Binky, it's great viewing. But it's kinda
               | on the border of proving my point.
               | 
               | After all, nobody is following along at home, putting a
               | Toyota Celica engine into their own mini.
               | 
               | When they need to make a wiring harness, or configure an
               | ECU, they're not showing it one cable and one adjustment
               | at a time - that would make for very boring viewing, even
               | if it would be useful as reference material for anyone
               | trying to reproduce their project.
               | 
               | Just like a chess youtuber, very few of Project Binky's
               | viewers are there to study, following along with pencil
               | and paper. Most of their viewers are there to be
               | entertained.
               | 
               | I will admit their videos are substantially more
               | technical than most on Youtube. But because of that, they
               | don't make enough money to go full-time. Actually doing
               | the work constrains them to a video every 1-2 months. In
               | contrast, Hikaru has put out 13 youtube videos in the
               | last 7 days.
               | 
               | Rapid-fire, easily accessible content with broad audience
               | appeal brings in the ad revenue that makes a channel
               | self-supporting.
               | 
               | Slowly produced, niche content for study and reference
               | has to be subsidised by the youtuber having another job.
        
       | cellis wrote:
       | While everyone is plugging their favorite streamers allow me to
       | plug GothamChess. Definitely most entertaining for me as well as
       | educational, followed by the Botez sisters, Agadmator and then
       | Hikaru. I like watching him, but he plays lines that I can't
       | possibly hope to remember ( I'm around 1800 blitz / bullet ), and
       | so it's more like watching a magician. "So guys, let's play the
       | sodium..."
        
         | dudus wrote:
         | That's pretty close to my list as well. For me it's GothamChess
         | > Agadmator > Hikaru. I don't care about the Botez sisters. But
         | I watch only on Youtube.
         | 
         | 1. GothamChess is the most educational and entertaining. The
         | video format also varies quite a bit which helps.
         | 
         | 2. Agadmator is less entertaining than Gotham, but very
         | consistent.
         | 
         | 3. Hikaru is of course very strong, but sometimes he doesn't
         | care about explaining what he's thinking and even when he does
         | its harder to follow.
         | 
         | I've ben watching Gotham and Agadmator, almost daily. My wife
         | is a bit annoyed sometimes, but I remember it could be worse. I
         | could be into football.
        
           | ajkjk wrote:
           | I can't handle Agadmator because he skips so many important
           | moves without analysis, and when he does provide analysis
           | it's not very insightful. I think he's just a weaker player
           | than the others.
           | 
           | Levy (GothamChess) is a much better player, although it's
           | tedious that a lot of his content is silly stuff like
           | laughing at beginner games. He also tilts really hard which
           | makes me feel really bad because I just want to sit down with
           | him and show some him positivity and I can't, but maybe
           | that's just me.
           | 
           | IMO the best of the chess streamers for actually getting
           | better is Eric Rosen, and maybe John Bartholomew but he's not
           | as prolific. Both are very good but also good at explaining
           | good ideas. Hikaru is almost too good to be instructive,
           | given that he solves hard tactical puzzles completely with
           | muscle memory instead of analysis.
        
             | username923409 wrote:
             | Agadmator shouldn't really be seen as a game analyst, he
             | just reads out the PGN and has the computer going in the
             | background. His content is mostly directed towards casual
             | chess players (or not even chess players at all, just
             | youtube watchers interested in chess) who want to keep up
             | with some more interesting & current high level games.
        
         | zeteo wrote:
         | GothamChess's friend Eric Rosen is also very good. (Actually I
         | think he may have won their latest match.) I really like his
         | unshakable calm attitude - even when scrambling with 5s left on
         | the clock he still finds time to make informative little
         | comments.
        
           | to1y wrote:
           | I went Hikaru > Gotham > Eric Rosen. Can't watch anyone else
           | now, hes just so relaxing.
        
           | mkaic wrote:
           | +1 for Eric Rosen, he's the only chess streamer I always
           | enjoy watching -- the others all tend to get on my nerves
           | after a bit.
        
         | oldstrangers wrote:
         | I'm 1950 on chess.com. I know zero opening theory outside the
         | fundamentals.
         | 
         | Watching Hikaru and Danya has really helped my board
         | visualization and how I think about the game. My ideas are a
         | lot more abstract now than they were years ago when I was still
         | a "strong" player. I'm stronger now than ever before and I no
         | longer actively train, and I credit this entirely to players
         | like Hikaru helping me view the board in a drastically
         | different way than I was previously. Something just clicked
         | after awhile.
        
           | albertkawmi wrote:
           | Interesting. Were you watching streams or YouTube? And were
           | you doing other chess improvement work?
           | 
           | I'm at the same chesscom rating as you and have watched a bit
           | of Hikaru content but somehow felt like I was procrastinating
           | on "real chess study". Your comment has given me an excuse to
           | try again!
        
             | oldstrangers wrote:
             | Streaming. The big realization for me was how they think
             | through positions and allowing for vague ideas to dictate
             | positional improvements / guide the process.
             | 
             | Previously I was just looking for tactics and calculating
             | the best possible moves in a very linear manner. Now I look
             | at the board and visualize ways the position would work
             | better in my favor and kind of work my way back from there.
             | Linear calculation is still required, but getting an idea
             | first and then trying to find the path of least resistance
             | to that idea is just so much more fluid for me.
             | 
             | Remove the tunnel vision and treat the entire board as an
             | organic structure that you can reconfigure.
             | 
             | This is probably only beneficial after like 1700-1800
             | because it assumes you have a solid tactical / positional
             | understanding obviously.
             | 
             | The only other "training" I do is solving puzzles but
             | that's more out of entertainment than actual training.
        
         | Mc91 wrote:
         | I used to play chess more but am too busy going through Blind
         | 75 to go through chess problems. I don't even want to play a
         | game of chess because I might feel the urge to play and study
         | chess instead of grind Blind 75. I watch the Botez sisters as
         | well. If I was playing more I might watch more streamers, but I
         | hear enough of what's going on in the world of chess from them.
        
       | SubiculumCode wrote:
       | Hikaru instigates too much drama and whines way too much when
       | things don't go his way. Not a fan at all. The best chess
       | streamer is Danya, without a doubt. Those who know, know.
        
         | tarentel wrote:
         | He's very impressive to watch. Whenever I play blitz I can get
         | easily flustered and end up playing terrible moves. He will
         | have 10 seconds left and is still explaining things or just
         | casually chatting and still playing at a high accuracy. I get
         | why people like him.
         | 
         | I agree though. He can be difficult to watch. He acts like a
         | small child when he loses, even sometimes when he doesn't. It's
         | really not surprising to learn from this article that no one in
         | the high level chess world likes him.
        
           | SubiculumCode wrote:
           | The speed at which super grandmasters see the board is jaw
           | drop amazing...inhuman to my experience. While I'm still
           | trying to count the number of pieces ont he board of a chess
           | problem, they've already calculated a dozen likely lines or
           | more.
        
       | birriel wrote:
       | Hikaru learning "5-D Chess with Time Travel":
       | 
       | https://youtu.be/v2zg-66eTY8
        
         | mkaic wrote:
         | I thought it was interesting how difficult he found this! Seems
         | like his brain is super hard-wired to play chess a specific way
         | and he was unable to generalize the rules to the extra
         | dimensions? Super fascinating.
        
       | arrakis2021 wrote:
       | Hikaru is to chess what Doug Polk is to Poker
        
         | muh_gradle wrote:
         | Great analogy. Love both of 'em.
        
         | jstx1 wrote:
         | It's a nice parallel - I like that it could be both a
         | compliment and an insult.
        
         | garbagetime wrote:
         | He was relevant at the top level of the game for a short period
         | of time but only in one fairly obscure format?
        
           | tzs wrote:
           | He reached #2 on the active rating list and #5 on the all-
           | time rating list in classical chess. Do you consider
           | classical chess to be a "fairly obscure" format?
        
             | garbagetime wrote:
             | The things I said are true of the poker player Doug Polk.
             | Doug Polk was one of the best 2-player Texas Hold'em poker
             | players on the internet for a couple of years, but only at
             | a point in time where the format was pretty dead. I know
             | very little about Hikaru Nakamura, but it sounds like
             | Hikaru is a much greater chess player than Doug is a poker
             | player. Which is fine, I guess the similarities lie
             | elsewhere.
        
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               | garbagetime wrote:
               | You think heads-up NLHE found its peak popularity after
               | Black Friday?
               | 
               | As for why it's obscure - that's a separate point. Heads-
               | up poker, as a format, was obscure at its peak as it was
               | when Doug Polk was at his, and as it is now. Poker is
               | almost always played at a table with at least six seats,
               | most often more. Heads-up is just tiny in comparison.
               | 
               | I just opened up my PokerStars client. Out of the many
               | thousands of players currently playing, approximately 15
               | are playing heads-up cash games. And only two are playing
               | heads-up cash games for medium or high stakes.
        
         | buzzy_hacker wrote:
         | In fact, here is an interview of Hikaru from Doug
         | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npyFtH2odaM
        
       | mrintellectual wrote:
       | Hikaru's win in the Grand Prix was great, but the Candidates is
       | far different. For example, Alireza Firouzja - another member of
       | the upcoming Candidates cycle - has been MIA for a while, likely
       | due to the insane amount of time he is putting into Candidates
       | prep.
       | 
       | Since Hikaru has far fewer recent classical matches than the
       | other upcoming Candidates participants (with the exception of
       | current world #2 Ding Liren, who still needs to finish 30 games
       | before May), he'll have an edge when it comes to preparation.
       | However, unless he prepares like a madman, he'll be at most a
       | wildcard candidate, perhaps beating a favorite or two but
       | unlikely to win it all.
       | 
       | I'll personally be rooting for Ding and Fabi. I like Hikaru as
       | well, but I unfortunately just don't see him beating Magnus in a
       | World Chess Championship.
        
       | mitchbob wrote:
       | Archived: https://archive.ph/OpLDh
        
       | Overtonwindow wrote:
       | Actually, I vastly prefer Agadmator's chess channel. Less drama
       | and more thoughtful analysis for us non-pros.
       | 
       | https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCL5YbN5WLFD8dLIegT5QAbA
        
         | mkaic wrote:
         | Antonio is fantastic! If you like him I would also strongly
         | recommend Eric Rosen's YT and Twitch channels -- he's a very
         | laid-back, wholesome IM who's very funny and very instructive.
        
         | have_faith wrote:
         | The best channel (in my opinion...) for someone trying to
         | actively improve is Daniel Naroditsky's:
         | https://www.youtube.com/c/DanielNaroditskyGM
         | 
         | You will learn a lot more than from Agadmator, who's channel is
         | very good, but shows a lot of engine lines without too much
         | explanation of the deeper ideas.
        
           | Tenoke wrote:
           | Bartholomew's 'climbing the rating ladder' content is at a
           | similar level if you've finished with Naroditsky but I think
           | Chessbrah's 'Building Chess Habits' speedrun is even better
           | for most people. In that one GM Aman sets very simple ways to
           | play and doesn't deviate from them even if it loses him some
           | games while climbing or if there are obvious tactics he can
           | use for a quick win. Naroditsky while great will often go
           | into lines that a lower rated player is very unlikely to see
           | or pull of and is very often winning out of the opening by
           | knowing all the moves to punish suboptimal moves which lower
           | rated players won't know.
           | 
           | 0. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLl9uuRYQ-6MCBnhtCk_
           | bT...
           | 
           | 1. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8N8j2e7RpPnpqbISqi
           | 1S...
        
             | SubiculumCode wrote:
             | Bartholomew and Climbing the Rating Ladder series fan. I
             | sure wish he'd focus on those videos more than his live
             | streaming. The former is much more educational than the
             | latter.
        
           | veidelis wrote:
           | Someone once correctly said that Agadmator doesn't teach
           | chess.
        
           | xlance wrote:
           | I totally agree, what a great tutor he is.
        
           | amalcon wrote:
           | I agree, I think Naroditsky is the best video content in
           | terms of being educational while also being entertaining.
           | Some others are maybe more rigorous, but not as entertaining,
           | or vice versa.
        
         | nurettin wrote:
         | I enjoy agad's balkan charm from time to time. His slow motion
         | finishing bishop moves and his logical meanderings after an
         | obvious statement are fun to watch. And he always keeps a couch
         | for medo to chill on.
        
           | danrocks wrote:
           | queen captures, bishop captures, now pause the video to see
           | the next move or just continue to enjoy the show
        
             | keybored wrote:
             | Now we have a forced check mate in fifty moves
        
               | alar44 wrote:
               | Bushup to c4, with check, and now we have a brand new
               | game of chess.
        
         | oldstrangers wrote:
         | Agadmator isn't a streamer.
        
         | gizajob wrote:
         | He and Hikaru have different different approaches, with
         | Nakamura being a grandmaster and so has much deeper potential
         | for analysis of his own positions, but agadmator is
         | nevertheless a daily-watch for me. His channel is my favourite
         | thing on YouTube.
        
           | danrocks wrote:
           | do you pause the video or just enjoy the show?
        
             | omega3 wrote:
             | Congratulations if you've guessed correctly.
        
             | gizajob wrote:
             | No, I love chess but I don't go in for head-grinding
             | through hard positions. I just like playing moves and
             | having fun on an intuitive level. Also sadly forgot to open
             | my comment with "Hello Everyone."
        
         | LeifCarrotson wrote:
         | I like Agadmator's channel, but a similar option that mixes in
         | more live play and self commentary is Eric Rosen's channel:
         | 
         | https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXy10-NEFGxQ3b4NVrzHw1Q
         | 
         | https://www.twitch.tv/imrosen
         | 
         | Also Levi Rozman/Gothamchess has some excellent analysis and
         | commentary of other matches, and is very approachable for
         | beginners:
         | 
         | https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQHX6ViZmPsWiYSFAyS0a3Q
         | 
         | https://www.twitch.tv/gothamchess
        
           | ZetaZero wrote:
           | Oh no my Queen!
        
             | hashasyn wrote:
             | Oh no my pieces!
        
         | Tenoke wrote:
         | The two have very different content. Hikaru is mostly live
         | blitz play with commentary by one of the best in the world
         | (possibly the best for the formats he plays) while Agadmator is
         | only analysis of typically classical games by an otherwise
         | weaker player.
         | 
         | As for me, I prefer neither and like more educational content
         | that doesn't focus on games at the very top (e.g. Naroditsky's
         | or chessbrah's speedruns) but that doesn't change that Hikaru
         | is more popular than them or Agadmator.
        
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