[HN Gopher] Tokyo's Manuscript Writing Cafe won't let writers le... ___________________________________________________________________ Tokyo's Manuscript Writing Cafe won't let writers leave until they are finished Author : mellosouls Score : 159 points Date : 2022-04-13 09:32 UTC (1 days ago) (HTM) web link (grapee.jp) (TXT) w3m dump (grapee.jp) | nabla9 wrote: | Douglas Adams would have loved this. His editor put him into | motel with a typewriter and sat next to him until he finished. | | _" I love deadlines. I love the whooshing noise they make as | they go by"_ - Douglas Adams | lucisferre wrote: | The coding cafe version. | | 1. Upon entering you must write and demonstrate one failing test | | 2. The manager asks you if you want someone to pair program with | you | | 3. You are not allowed to leave until the test is passing | bad_alloc wrote: | The test: | | bool halts(function) { // todo: do not halt if function halts, | halt otherwise. } | | assert(halts(halts)); | markus_zhang wrote: | On a similar line, I kinda think prison is a good place for deep | learn and work if the environment is safe and one is allowed to | bring books and equipment in. | Jtsummers wrote: | You don't need a prison, many kinds of retreats (not just | religious or spiritual, but artists and writers retreats and | others) often are "tech-free" (which may be partial or total, | though usually at least _internet_ free). Just getting away | from the firehose for a couple days can be very effective for | resetting your relationship with the internet and its ability | to distract for a while. | wolpoli wrote: | This Cafe uses traditional waterfall framework with fixed scope | but flexible timeline. I will be opening an agile writing | environment with time-boxed duration. There will be all your | favorite ceremonies such as Sprint Planning, Daily Scrum, Sprint | Review, and Sprint Retrospectives. | nonrandomstring wrote: | Fascinating. Terrifying. Alluring. I may need this service some | day. | karaterobot wrote: | > 1. Upon entering the store, write down at the reception desk | how many words and by what time you are going to write your | manuscript. | | > 2. The manager asks you every hour how your manuscript is | coming along. | | > 3. You are not allowed to leave the store until you have | finished writing your manuscript or writing project. | | Sounds like a cute idea. I wonder what would happen if you | decided you wanted to leave before finishing. Do they berate you? | Do you lose a deposit? I imagine you can't hold customers hostage | or trap them in your cafe if they actually want to go. | warning26 wrote: | The article notes you can choose your level of PRESSURE when | you sign in -- perhaps trying to leave with a higher level of | pressure selected would get you angrily berated, while at the | lower levels you'd just get a mild chiding. | EGreg wrote: | What's the highest level look like? Maybe chained to the desk | or sumo wrestler blocking the doorway? | trinovantes wrote: | I think that only happens in Anime e.g. Shirobako | | In real life that should count as kidnapping | leeoniya wrote: | "Keep writing, you worthless maggot!" | LoveMortuus wrote: | _Says a cute 12 years old girl who claims to be 300 | because she 's actually a vampire_ | atoav wrote: | I mean it is japan. If we go with the cliche, it would be hard | to find any japanese writer who would choose social | emberassment over actually doing the job. Especially if they | chose to buy into this thing themselves. | grapeskin wrote: | Nah, people will just sternly say "I need to leave" and go. | They're not ants. | stocknoob wrote: | You might have missed it, the cafe is at the back of a sumo | arena. | dfxm12 wrote: | _Do they berate you?_ | | Would love to know the interview/training/standard operating | procedure for this position. | echelon wrote: | Hold a deposit. You can break the glass if you really need to | make an exit, but make it painful. | klenwell wrote: | Great example of a commitment device: | | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commitment_device | | I like the idea of losing a deposit. | teraflop wrote: | Yeah, according to the cafe's website, they don't physically | stop you from leaving. In fact, one of the FAQs specifically | says that you can leave temporarily if you need to. It's just | that they won't allow you to pay your tab unless you've reached | your goal. | | As others have said, it's about the social pressure. I doubt | the question of "can we legally enforce this rule" was a major | concern. | endisneigh wrote: | Not a bad idea for a small tractable set of discrete tasks to be | completed. | victorclf wrote: | Very refreshing to see this innovative idea after all the daily | politics/apocalyptic news here. | elliotpage wrote: | You see this kind of thing with Manga Authors too, except in | those cases the authors editor comes to their residence and | stares daggers at them until the manuscript is ready. | | That being said the most often place I have seen this is within | manga itself, so this maybe the incidence rate is actually low | and the authors who draw this into their series are either | traumatised or just passing along a story! | _just7_ wrote: | Has anyone else had any luck with creating artificial | accountability? Kind of miss the days where I had to show my | progress to someone, be that my teacher or parents | ars wrote: | There's a startup that did this, they posted on here about it, | but I can't seem to remember how to find them. | | Found this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20220288 but | they don't seem to have survived. | SamoyedFurFluff wrote: | Coworking sessions are great ime. People come in with some | project they want to work on for the next 2 hours and every 30 | or 45 minutes the host checks in on everyone and everyone says | what they did or didn't accomplish, everyone does a little yay | to every accomplishment even small ones each check in so it's | all dopamine. I've seen this model successful in multiple | definitions of craft (writing, coding, painting etc) | post_break wrote: | Use a laptop, leave the charger at home. Get your work done | before the battery dies. Depending on the computer this could | be stress inducing or no big deal. | jaqalopes wrote: | I'm working on a book and I drafted a number of friends as | "alpha readers" to whom I send every chapter when it's done. | While I'm not on a strict deadline, the desire to demonstrate | to them that I'm "still making progress" has been massively | helpful. | mellosouls wrote: | There are a few low-cost services that have been mentioned on | here before that provide the accountability thing, eg | Focusmate, Boss As A Service, etc | iooi wrote: | There's gyms that charge you more the less you show up. | breakfastduck wrote: | So basically simulating the environment of sitting in a | university library all day until you have to submit a piece of | work at midnight, while 100 other people all sit and do the same | around you. | | Very good idea. Works like a charm. | sharkweek wrote: | I miss those nights of social studying at the library on | campus. The mood was stressful sometimes near finals but it was | kept light enough with breaks to get coffee and snacks with | friends, was a good time in life. | TecoAndJix wrote: | Few bonds are as strong as shared misery! | chrischen wrote: | I think it's more like simulating a work environment where s | helicopter boss is checking on you constantly. | n4bz0r wrote: | How about a work environment with... _BOSS HELICOPTER_? | | https://i.ytimg.com/vi/tHBOcN_2Fp8/maxresdefault.jpg | rubyist5eva wrote: | Honestly, I could see this working really well for lots of things | which require deep focus. Even for programming without external | distractions part of me thinks this would be absolutely | wonderful. | drcode wrote: | The article suggests that the term "writing" is used in the | broadest way possible, including image editing, etc | MrLeap wrote: | This post fills my heart with joy. What a grand idea. | | I'm making a creative writing game. It's been a goal channel | whatever techniques I can, even dark patterns, to help people be | more prolific writers. | | Glad to see the real world is getting weird with that goal in | mind too. | markdestouches wrote: | I wish G.R.R.M paid a visit there | dr_dshiv wrote: | Sign me up! | shakezula wrote: | Would unironically love a version of this in my city. I would | probably use it a lot. My adhd would benefit greatly from a | strangers disappointed looks. ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2022-04-14 23:00 UTC)