[HN Gopher] Abandoned railroad routes in North America
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       Abandoned railroad routes in North America
        
       Author : protomyth
       Score  : 121 points
       Date   : 2022-04-13 17:01 UTC (1 days ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.abandonedrails.com)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.abandonedrails.com)
        
       | pandesal wrote:
       | Not going to lie, before I visited the site, I was hoping it was
       | a hot take article about why Ruby on Rails now suck and people
       | should stop using it and migrate off of it. I was ready for the
       | comment section.
        
         | Trasmatta wrote:
         | I already had all my Rails hot takes half composed in my mind
         | before I even finished clicking. What should I do with all this
         | energy now?
        
         | protomyth wrote:
         | Sorry. I was submitting it to see if anyone would suggest a way
         | to buy the abandoned tracks to start a commuter service since
         | HN has had so many cargo vs person rail stories lately.
         | 
         | Ruby would have been a bit too hot a submission for me.
        
           | bombcar wrote:
           | Railroads are usually loathe to give up right-of-way even if
           | it has been abandoned, but it can be done with enough support
           | and money.
           | 
           | Many rail trails are still owned by the railroad with an
           | option to make them rail lines again if they want.
        
             | ghaff wrote:
             | Yes, where I live in the greater Boston area, you've seen a
             | few commuter rail extensions that I assume made use of
             | existing railroad right of ways that were abandoned (ADDED:
             | As in no longer used for rail service) at some point once
             | the rail service became commuter rail service
        
       | Lobstrosity2022 wrote:
        
       | PostQuadlude wrote:
       | > Abandoned railroad routes in North America.
       | 
       | And yet the website only shows less than one third of North
       | America. It's amazing to me how narcissistic/bad at geography
       | Americans are.
       | 
       | (something something, Americans can only find themselves on a
       | globe because it says "US")
        
       | paparush wrote:
       | this is a really nice asset!
        
       | Svip wrote:
       | My favourite part about https://www.openrailwaymap.org/ is that
       | it shows abandoned and razed tracks, although you have to zoom in
       | somewhat. I wonder if there is a way to make it highlight those
       | tracks at a higher zoom level.
        
       | exabrial wrote:
       | I've really started to enjoy biking "rail to trail" lines in
       | Kansas. The Flint Hills Trail is 115 miles of biking, relatively
       | no elevation change... but the best part is absolutely 0
       | motorized vehicle traffic, making it quite enjoyable.
       | 
       | If you ever get a chance to bike it I would, and consider making
       | a donation to the foundation that builds these out.
        
         | codyb wrote:
         | They've done that from NYC to Albany and it's great. As you
         | say, no traffic. I can't think of a much safer way to bike.
        
           | gen220 wrote:
           | I'm not sure I'd characterize that particular trail as "no
           | traffic" [1]. Large segments of the route you describe are
           | along country roads where you share the road with cars and
           | trucks traveling at 55mph. As much as I wish it weren't so!
           | That'd be so much fun. :)
           | 
           | Perhaps you're thinking of the Erie canal trail (Buffalo to
           | Albany), which is composed of a much higher proportion of
           | bike trails?
           | 
           | [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/11/05/nyregion/
           | ny-e...
        
         | Melatonic wrote:
         | Mountain Bike needed I assume? Or is it more like a dirt single
         | track?
        
         | snarf21 wrote:
         | We need to do this write large. All abandoned lines should be
         | seized by eminent domain and turned into trails.
        
         | gehwartzen wrote:
         | One of the rails to trails routes here in Virginia that I've
         | ridden my bike on features a pretty large and relatively high
         | bridge that spans acroases a river and much of the woods
         | surrounding it. The more narrow bridge makes it easier to see
         | over both sides like a typical pedestrian bridge but having
         | that experience in the middle of the woods and above the trees
         | was rather magical.
         | 
         | Here is a picture of in
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Bridge_(Appomattox_River)...
        
         | colincooke wrote:
         | Another good one is the American Tobacco Trail in Durham, NC
         | [0]. A fantastic biking trail in an otherwise car-centric area.
         | 
         | [0] https://www.abandonedrails.com/durham-to-duncan
        
         | tshaddox wrote:
         | If you're relatively close and interested in a long rail
         | trails, I'd recommend checking out the Katy Trail next door in
         | Missouri. It's the longest rail trail in the US.
         | 
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katy_Trail_State_Park
        
       | dboreham wrote:
       | Saw the posting and wondered if the site listed any of the many
       | abandoned lines I see here in Montana. Turns out it does:
       | https://www.abandonedrails.com/montana I'm particularly
       | fascinated with the Homestake Pass line, which is easily visible
       | from the adjacent I-90 freeway -- you can see the rails are still
       | in place. Apparently it was never actually closed, they just
       | never ran another train after some date in the 1980s.
       | Subsequently there have been some tunnel collapses that make the
       | line unusable.
        
       | bitwize wrote:
       | There was an abandoned railway near my house when I was growing
       | up. I used to go for nature walks there and see wildflowers,
       | hummingbirds, butterflies, etc.
        
       | VLM wrote:
       | One interesting technology aspect not mentioned so far, is my
       | local rail-to-trail conversion is funded partially by selling
       | (renting, whatever) buried fiber right-of-way. Its nicely paved
       | for rollerbladers and the ditches are kept clean and gates are
       | locked and I used to work for a telco so I can recognize they
       | have absolutely HUGE amounts of fiber running along the corridor.
       | They have to maintain it just to permit fiber service vehicles in
       | case of an outage, so why not let the state DNR "double dip" and
       | sell annual trail passes for $10 to around 20K people per year.
       | They run enough profit to slowly expand and improve the
       | facilities.
       | 
       | And it drifts slightly off topic but I also ride my bike on a
       | "rail-to-power+trail" conversion where they ripped out the rails
       | and installed large HV towers, along with the usual fiber and a
       | DNR-maintained bike trail.
       | 
       | One nice thing a funded trail can have, is clean bathrooms at
       | trailhead buildings, nicely paved and maintained parking lots,
       | short connecting segments to nearby parks, etc. Obviously I live
       | in the burbs far from violent homeless to enjoy this kind of red-
       | state privilege. Out here parks are for moms and toddlers, not
       | heroin purchase and shootings.
        
         | smm11 wrote:
         | Winter much? You had a valuable post, too bad you had to maghat
         | it.
         | 
         | Here's my plug for a nice rails-trail, even in a "Red" state:
         | https://bikecowboytrail.com/
        
       | BashiBazouk wrote:
       | They have Felton to the Boardwalk run in Santa Cruz county as
       | abandoned but Roaring camp bought it and runs tourist trains on
       | that route. Weekends all year and everyday during the summer...
       | 
       | Edit: Searched the site and found it. Looks like the Felton to
       | Campbell is the abandoned part. Not that you would know it from
       | their main map...
        
         | nradov wrote:
         | It appears that rail service might get shut down if they can't
         | reach an agreement with the local government on route
         | maintenance costs.
         | 
         | https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/popular-roaring-camp-r...
        
       | binarynate wrote:
       | Very interesting site, although not all the rail routes listed
       | are actually abandoned per se. For example, I live next to a
       | popular and well-maintained trail that used to be a railway, and
       | the site still lists it as an abandoned rail line.
        
         | moenzuel wrote:
         | I noticed the same for my local area. The site listed an
         | abandoned rail that has long since been turned into a popular
         | paved bike path. The pictures for the rail even show the bike
         | path instead of rail.
        
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         | saltminer wrote:
         | Rail trails weren't created just by being left to rot, they had
         | to be legally abandoned by the railroad before they could be
         | converted into trails (in the US, anyway).
        
           | peckrob wrote:
           | One of the reasons rail trails are fairly popular is because
           | it preserves the railroad right-of-way for potential future
           | use. Even if the rails are removed and pavement put down,
           | it's far cheaper to pull the pavement up and re-lay rails if
           | you need the line in future (like for light-rail or commuter
           | service) rather than to have to re-acquire the right of way
           | again or build an entirely new line. The term is
           | "railbanking." [0]
           | 
           | [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railbanking
        
         | munk-a wrote:
         | The large Vermont line this site returns was a causeway across
         | lake champlain which is an active enough bike path that there
         | is a seasonal ferry service for the portion of the line that
         | used to be a bridge. Whether there are tracks there or not
         | these still leave visible scars across neighborhoods.
        
         | chrisseaton wrote:
         | > For example, I live next to a popular and well-maintained
         | trail that used to be a railway, and the site still lists it as
         | an abandoned rail line.
         | 
         | Eh? What do you think an 'abandoned rail line' is? It's exactly
         | this.
        
         | asdff wrote:
         | Abandoned for rail use though. If you are hiking somewhere like
         | the allegeny national forest, these abandoned rail routes are a
         | boon since they are generally raised up out of mucky ground,
         | flat, and easy to navigate along if you know which one you are
         | on. Hunters frequently just walk along the abandoned railways
         | when searching for game. Why not call it a trail at that point?
         | IMO because this isn't built like a trail (which can have
         | complicated terrain or scrambles up or down some steep
         | terrain), its built like a railway, and should be marked as
         | such on a map since that will tell you a lot about the
         | conditions on that route (raised, flat, generally free of
         | obstructions short of fallen trees since abandonment)
        
           | hammock wrote:
           | We call them "rail trails"
        
             | ghaff wrote:
             | Usually rail trails are deliberately constructed and
             | maintained however. Although the degree to which this is
             | done varies. And it's also not uncommon for some section of
             | a rail trail to have been worked on and other sections are
             | in the plans for someday--whether because of money or local
             | opposition.
             | 
             | ADDED: And as noted elsewhere the railroad or its
             | successors in ownership often still own the right-of-way--
             | however unlikely it would be to revert a popular rail trail
             | to rail use.
        
             | nereye wrote:
             | For more info, see https://www.railstotrails.org/.
             | 
             | Notable examples in Seattle include the Burke-Gilman trail,
             | the Sammamish River trail, and close by the Snoqualmie
             | River trail, etc.
        
               | hammock wrote:
               | The Virginia Capital trail is a good one at 52mi long.
               | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Capital_Trail
        
               | spookthesunset wrote:
               | That site badly needs a map of all the trails they
               | support. If there is one, I can't find it...
        
       | rrsmtz wrote:
       | Why not just say U.S. instead of North America?
        
       | chrisbrandow wrote:
       | this is so great
        
       | Melatonic wrote:
       | All of the abandoned subway stations and tunnels in downtown Los
       | Angeles are pretty damn cool too!
        
       | xyzzy21 wrote:
       | There's definitely a whole lot more than listed - easily 10x.
       | 
       | The half dozen I know about in each CA and NY aren't listed at
       | all.
        
       | mjg59 wrote:
       | https://www.railmaponline.com/USWestMap.php only covers the
       | western US, but has more detailed mapping in most cases.
        
       | WalterBright wrote:
       | Seattle has abandoned railways that could be re-used for light
       | rail at minimal cost (they actually sit there with rusting tracks
       | on them). Instead, every effort has been made to destroy those
       | corridors, so that tens of billions of dollars can be blown by
       | blasting new corridors for light rail.
       | 
       | https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6122286,-122.1837204,121m/da...
        
         | andbberger wrote:
         | funny example, bellevue is the atherton of seattle. they caused
         | such a stink during planning of the line 2 extension microsoft,
         | boeing and t-mobile sent the city council a letter telling them
         | to shut the hell up
        
           | lostmsu wrote:
           | I live in Bellevue, but did not track that saga here. Can you
           | link a news article or a discussion that could be made sense
           | of?
        
             | Manuel_D wrote:
             | The condensed story is that Bellevue city council wanted
             | the rail line to more closely follow I-405 and I-90.
        
               | WalterBright wrote:
               | The rail corridor parallels I-405. In fact, it crosses
               | over it and under it. What more could they want?
        
             | WalterBright wrote:
             | I could never get the Seattle Times to ask questions about
             | why the Eastside Rail Corridor, running from Renton to
             | Bothell along I405, could not be used. Their journalism
             | about it looked like press releases from the government.
             | 
             | Though I have gotten hate mail calling me an uninformed
             | idiot to imagine that railroad tracks paralleling the most
             | congested freeway in the state could be used for light
             | rail. No, it must be destroyed.
             | 
             | This isn't the only track the county has destroyed. There's
             | the line from Renton to Black Diamond that was used to
             | stuff a mattress, and one paralleling Bothell Way that was
             | used as a beehive.
        
             | andbberger wrote:
             | the wiki page is excellent, and clearly written by someone
             | who was tired of all the bullshit
             | 
             | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_2_(Sound_Transit)
        
               | golem14 wrote:
               | Seems rather tame compared to Palo Alto's response to
               | BART/Caltrain changes ... :)
        
               | andbberger wrote:
               | greatest NIMBYs in the world. richard mlynarik's latest
               | grade separation crayons leave palo alto and atherton
               | untouched, which I find hillarious
        
         | hashmash wrote:
         | Most of the old railways on the Eastside aren't suitable for
         | new development because they're surrounded by low density
         | suburbs. Any stations built along a new line would have very
         | little traffic, making the whole system kind of pointless,
         | unless it was designed as a high speed system. But doing that
         | wouldn't be able to use the existing lines anyhow because they
         | have too many curves.
        
           | WalterBright wrote:
           | All I can say is, nice try. I live here. It parallels I405
           | which moves at a walking pace for most of the day. All those
           | people are going somewhere - and Kirkland, Bellevue, Renton
           | are all major destinations. Have you looked at the skyline of
           | Bellevue lately? The corridor goes right by it. Around the
           | north and south ends of Lake Washington it could connect to
           | the rest of the light rail, making a complete circuit around
           | the Lake which divides the metropolitan area in half.
           | 
           | Really, what could be more _useful_? I 'd use it all the
           | time. Sure, it wouldn't go by my house, but I'd drive to the
           | station and take it for the major part of my trip.
           | 
           | It doesn't have to be high speed. It just has to be faster
           | than the gridlocked I405 with a predictable schedule. I
           | always have to leave an extra hour early to drive to the
           | airport because I might get stuck on I405 for an hour.
        
       | sillyquiet wrote:
       | It has the rail line that was my childhood companion - it ran
       | maybe 3 miles from my home
       | https://www.abandonedrails.com/nacogdoches-to-loeb
       | 
       | It engendered lots of 'ghost train' campfire stories. And they
       | installed a lot of infrastructure to support it, including
       | highway overpasses and crossings - there are still a couple now-
       | purposeless overpasses on Highway 69 that once crossed it.
        
       | supernova87a wrote:
       | One thing that always catches my eye is seeing from satellite
       | views the oddly shaped ghosts and footprints of long-gone
       | railroad tracks and byways, which for decades after (if not a
       | century), leave their mark on a city's streets and blocks. And
       | then happening to walk by it in person on the ground. Like for
       | example,
       | https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7545858,-122.4138878,311m/da... ,
       | or
       | https://www.google.com/maps/@37.404972,-122.137255,913m/data...
       | 
       | You can see this in SF Mission and the old Southern Pacific
       | lines, and why some blocks are so oddly shaped, and why there are
       | parks that have the strangest configurations. Out of place
       | diagonal lots, parks, roads. Very hard to erase those legacy
       | shapes.
       | 
       | Similarly, seeing long stretches of green or empty space and
       | realizing that there's a giant water pipe underneath stretching
       | from the Sierras, and that's why there will never be a house
       | built on that <xyz> lot.
       | 
       | (Funny, and I never seem to find among my friends anyone else who
       | takes interest in it.)
        
         | EvanAnderson wrote:
         | I find this fascinating, too. I'm in western Ohio near an
         | abandoned line that connected Indianapolis, IN to Springfield,
         | OH. The line is still very apparent in satellite photos nearly
         | 50 years after the last bits were retired. Likewise, in the
         | property records, the "scar" the line left on the land is
         | clearly visible.
         | 
         | In a few places landowners purchased the parcels on both sides
         | of the line and "reconnected" them, but mostly the line's
         | legacy is a bunch of oddly-shaped property lines cutting across
         | a grid of 80 or 160 acre fields. In those "reconnected" places
         | it's interesting to see how the crops and soil have a slightly
         | different appearance (or not-so-slight, in some cases).
         | 
         | Many of the little towns along the line have a "Railroad
         | Street", too. The town I grew up in did, but I'm old enough to
         | remember when the abandoned rails were still there.
         | 
         | Similar to the railroads leaving their mark, a few years ago I
         | got a bit obsessed with the Hetch Hetchy aqueduct. I spent a
         | few evenings laying in bed "flying" the line with Google Earth,
         | seeing where the pipes diverge and following their separate
         | paths, and seeing where they meet up again. Seeing how San Jose
         | and Palo Alto are situated on top of the line is interesting.
         | I'm resolved to visit the Pulgas Water Temple and any public
         | spaces I can walk on top of Hetch Hetchy next time I'm in the
         | Bay area.
        
           | addaon wrote:
           | The Pulgas Water Temple is such a strange, strange place. It
           | feels so out-of-place. I tend to stop by during my annual-ish
           | Filoli visit.
        
         | asveikau wrote:
         | There's tons of spots like this just east of the mission,
         | downhill from Potrero.. lots of oddly shaped buildings and
         | parking lots too.
         | 
         | Near San Bruno Ave near division you can still see railroad
         | tracks on some of the streets, partially covered by street
         | asphalt.
        
         | farnsworth wrote:
         | These marks are all over Seattle too. Anywhere you see a weird
         | diagonal street, a 5-way intersection, etc, is probably the
         | ghost of a rail line.
         | 
         | It's sad to me that we lost so much to turn cities into a grid
         | of highways.
        
           | 13of40 wrote:
           | I was out for a walk in Kirkland (across the lake from
           | Seattle) the other week and found a little paved path that
           | ran about 1/4 mile through a wooded area. I could tell by the
           | amount of engineering they would have had to do to raise the
           | grade that it wasn't just some 50s foot path. So when I got
           | home, I looked at the King County Parcel Viewer (Google it if
           | you live around here, it's worth it) with the 1936 aerial
           | photo basemap...and couldn't find it. Some more digging
           | revealed that it was a railroad built in the late 19th
           | century to service the Great Western Iron and Steel Company,
           | which was partially built but never finished. So even to all
           | the people looking up and pointing at that airplane in 1936,
           | the railroad was still something only their grandparents
           | would have seen being built.
        
       | betwixthewires wrote:
       | I remember I used to go to this old railroad bridge and hang out
       | and fish, there were signs of life there, bb gun marks on the
       | metal, graffiti, beer bottles. I wasn't the only one spending
       | time in this space.
       | 
       | It made me think about how we think of infrastructure as animals.
       | When we think of a road, we think of it in much the same way we
       | think of a forest or a river. It's just there, a permanent part
       | of the landscape. But these things must be maintained, and all of
       | it will be ruins one day. Every single thing we have built will
       | lose it's purpose, and eventually it's form. And in much the same
       | way you see things like wasps and pigeons moving into unused
       | structures, humans will do the same in our own human way.
        
       | AnimalMuppet wrote:
       | It's missing the Marysvale Branch in Utah.
        
       | andbberger wrote:
       | we do a terrible job of corridor preservation in the states. lots
       | of converting old rail right of ways to trails or redeveloping
       | them. the utility of simply leaving them empty, especially in
       | urban areas, is hard to overstate.
       | 
       | probably the example in the bay is the dumbarton line, which has
       | been preserved and in a world where CAHSR wasn't politically
       | compromised would be the route off of the caltrain towards the
       | altamont pass. the altamont alignment is technically superior to
       | the chosen pacheco alignment on all metrics (cost, speed,
       | operational constraints), but pacheco was chosen due to lobbying
       | by san jose politicians, who, suffering from a massive
       | inferiority complex, demanded that podunk san jose's diridon
       | intergalactic was on the main line and not served by a branch.
       | that decision, btw, pretty much single-handedly compromises the
       | utility of CAHSR. it severely constraints the tph into SF, makes
       | the SF-sacramento trip uncompetitive, and adds billions in
       | unnecessary infrastructure costs
       | 
       | another example is the vasona branch, which branches off the
       | caltrain right of way around cal ave, and slated to be used for a
       | BART line to los gatos during the early days of BARTs
       | development.
        
       | einpoklum wrote:
       | So, when is the US going to finally wisen up and switch back from
       | automobile-focused to railway-focused transit? :-(
        
         | munk-a wrote:
         | As soon as car ownership stops being culturally associated with
         | maturity and freedom - and that's probably never going to
         | happen.
        
           | pessimizer wrote:
           | So as soon as there's no money to be made in manufacturing
           | cars.
        
         | betwixthewires wrote:
         | Never, we have airplanes.
        
       | bachmeier wrote:
       | Incomplete. Source: I own part of an abandoned rail route not
       | listed.
        
         | brimble wrote:
         | Can confirm. My family used to own a chunk of land that had
         | part of an abandoned rail line on it (the rail and ties
         | themselves were gone, but the path was _very_ obvious) and the
         | map shows some near it, but not that one.
        
           | EvanAnderson wrote:
           | Same here. Dad bought the parcels on both sides of the rail
           | line and "reconnected" it back into a single parcel back in
           | the 90s.
        
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