[HN Gopher] Heatsink Skiving (2021) [video]
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       Heatsink Skiving (2021) [video]
        
       Author : zdw
       Score  : 83 points
       Date   : 2022-04-14 14:19 UTC (8 hours ago)
        
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       | _Microft wrote:
       | _Users who liked this might also
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       | 
       | Industrial or manufacturing processes are so interesting to watch
       | and there are so many details to discover. Separating eggs is
       | pretty interesting imo: they let them run down a v-shaped channel
       | that has a narrow opening between the sides. The egg whites seep
       | through that opening while the yolks run along the channel and
       | are guided elsewhere eventually [0].
       | 
       | Carrots [1] are peeled by moving them through peelers whose
       | blades don't look that different from a usual kitchen tool.
       | 
       | Bottle production [2].
       | 
       | [0] https://youtu.be/bG34uNbe5f4?t=365
       | 
       | [1] https://youtu.be/C1q2sqfQPqU?t=24
       | 
       | [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_M8WBJMcM0
        
         | mmastrac wrote:
         | Thanks, I just wasted about 29 minutes on this sub watching
         | everything.
        
       | gerard1234 wrote:
        
       | a1371 wrote:
       | That's fascinating to watch. I am curious why this would be a
       | faster & more robust production process compared to extrusion. I
       | would have guessed it's easier to build it some conventional way.
        
         | aparks517 wrote:
         | Thinking about how an extrusion die is made, I imagine it's
         | tricky to make very thin fins and to put them very close
         | together. Copper work-hardens significantly too, which may be a
         | factor.
        
           | lazide wrote:
           | Copper doesn't extrude well for small parts for reasons note,
           | as well as it's overall strength is quite high - yield
           | strength of 20k psi, tensile strength of 32k psi. and it has
           | a pretty high melting and annealing point.
           | 
           | Extruding non-trivially sized parts starts to require some
           | rather extreme equipment quickly, but is done for larger bulk
           | electrical components, pipes, and tubes.
           | 
           | Aluminum heat sinks are extruded regularly. Aluminum tends to
           | be used where heat sinking requirements are less severe, as
           | it has less ideal thermal properties. A lot cheaper though.
           | 
           | If someone is paying the premium for copper, they probably
           | want maximum thermal performance - which also means maximum
           | surface area hence more and thinner fins (as long as the
           | material is thermally conductive enough to keep them 'fed'
           | with heat anyway).
           | 
           | Edit: update details.
        
         | ortusdux wrote:
         | One advantage is that the blade does not need to be linear.
         | This allows for the creation of patterned fins which my have
         | more ideal properties.
         | 
         | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghrjJ1OL6jM
        
       | antattack wrote:
       | To skive: avoid work or a duty by staying away or leaving early I
       | wonder how it came to be called skiving?
       | 
       | EDIT: apparently it's origin is french word esquiver which means
       | to slink away
        
         | bajsejohannes wrote:
         | Interesting. I wondered if it was related to the
         | Norwegian/Danish "skive" [1], which means to cut or a cut of
         | something.
         | 
         | [1] which could even be inflected like "skiving", though
         | realistically it might not ever have
         | 
         | edit: of course, it might be that "skive" and "esquiver" are
         | related...
        
       | thesaintlives wrote:
       | Fabulous! That is a perfect production process. Thanks for
       | sharing.
        
         | [deleted]
        
       | ncmncm wrote:
       | For those who do not immediately see what is going on:
       | 
       | All those heatsink fins you see were just cut and stood up. Each
       | stroke cuts and stands up another one.
        
       | lancefisher wrote:
       | I learned about skiving when I started researching building a
       | watercooled PC. Optimus is building some nice heatsinks/water
       | blocks in Chicago. They're using a micro CNC process for very
       | fine fins in their cold plates, and mention some of the
       | differences on their site.
       | https://optimuspc.com/products/optimus-gpu-replacement-cold-...
        
         | buildbot wrote:
         | Thanks for this link, I was not aware of this company before
         | and they look like an awesome waterblock company. Good USA
         | based alternative to EK (with less selection obv.)
        
           | philjohn wrote:
           | The other good brand is Heatkiller. Their pump/res combos are
           | really nice, as are their water blocks.
        
         | AceJohnny2 wrote:
         | _" Choose corrosion-proof electroless nickel finish when using
         | liquid metal"_ !?
         | 
         | What are people using?
        
       | blamazon wrote:
       | Copper is very ductile (soft) compared to many other metals
       | because it is molecularly arranged in a cubic arrangement, while
       | other less ductile common metals tend to be arranged hexagonally
       | or are alloys of multiple elements. The mono-elemental cubic
       | arrangement has more horizontal planes. Horizontal planes of
       | molecules can 'slip' past each other more easily, and in the
       | electron soup that characterizes metal the bonds between those
       | molecules can more easily "stretch" without breaking. This is why
       | you'll find ceramics with a cubic structure that are brittle and
       | prone to breaking in layers, rather than being ductile. It's also
       | why metals are great conductors!
       | 
       | If you like this kind of stuff, check out introductory
       | undergraduate level 'materials science' course materials! There's
       | tons of lectures and educational content on YouTube and textbook
       | PDFs are bountiful on the net :)
        
         | bityard wrote:
         | Yep but copper does lose ductility when deformed. When put
         | under enough stress to deform it, it "work hardens." This is
         | why thick copper wires break if bent back and forth too much
         | (and hence why we have multi-stranded wires for applications
         | with movement and vibration), and why crush-sealing washers
         | can't be reused. This work hardening can be undone by heating
         | the copper until it gets red hot, but this isn't practical in
         | many applications.
        
           | MisterTea wrote:
           | I was under the impression crush seals are used once not
           | because of work hardening but from deformation. You can only
           | crush them into place once. e.g. on conflat vacuum flanges
           | the harder stainless steel knife edge on the flanges sandwich
           | the copper gasket biting into it creating a tight metal-to-
           | metal seal. That biting plastically deforms the copper
           | forcing it into the tiny surface imperfections in the
           | stainless to form an extremely tight seal. Once you break
           | that formed copper seal it is permanently damaged. It cannot
           | be reused as the mating area has has been deformed and the
           | majority of its material squeezed away from the mating area.
           | You have to start over with a fresh flat seal that will
           | deform into the cracks and crevices.
        
             | bityard wrote:
             | You're totally right, it depends on the application. I was
             | thinking of oil drain plug washers, which can be reheated
             | and reused many times, basically until they are too thin to
             | do the job.
        
               | pengaru wrote:
               | I usually just sand the washer surfaces flat on some high
               | (600-800) grit wet-dry paper, never had a problem. Works
               | on banjo bolt washers too.
        
         | MisterTea wrote:
         | My father was a metallurgical engineer though unfortunately
         | passed away when I started high school. Recently after reading
         | a story on melting iridium in an e-beam furnace I am now
         | finding myself fascinated by metallurgy. One thing that
         | interested me is the seemingly simple yet complex process of
         | vacuum metallurgy where alloying and/or purifying is done in a
         | vacuum using all sorts of exotic heating and handling methods.
        
           | sitkack wrote:
           | Not a metallurgist, but it really seems like zero-g alloys
           | will give us some amazing materials.
           | 
           | https://www.google.com/search?q=zero+gravity+alloy+site%253A.
           | ..
        
       | ttul wrote:
       | How you know it is 2022: there is a YouTube channel dedicated to
       | heatsink skiving.
        
       | Cerium wrote:
       | I had not seen a video before, but you can work out this
       | production technique by close inspection of a heatsink. The fins
       | are clearly bent up and have a root that is thicker on one side.
        
         | dylan604 wrote:
         | Given the audience, the numbers may be skewed, but how many
         | people really look at a heatsink like that? Aren't most people
         | just too damn excited to get the new system up and running, and
         | just install as quickly as possible after unboxing?
         | 
         | But now that you've mentioned it, I've stared at heatsinks a
         | lot without once considering how it was actually made.
        
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       | gumby wrote:
       | Is this the origin of the term to skive off school? I don't
       | really see the connection.
        
         | GordonS wrote:
         | I thought skiving was only a Scottish term - is it commonly
         | used where you are too?
        
           | gumby wrote:
           | Growing up in Australia, yes, though unknown in the USA where
           | I am at the moment,
        
         | showerst wrote:
         | Apparently not -- https://www.etymonline.com/word/skive
         | 
         | Interesting etymology though, I love when you see a random PIE
         | root show up in so many languages.
        
       | _aavaa_ wrote:
       | No matter how many times I look at the title, even after watching
       | the video, I keep reading "Heatsink _Skydiving_ ".
       | 
       | Was disappointed at the lack of skydiving, but skiving was cool
       | too I guess.
        
         | zython wrote:
         | Me too I was at the edge of my seat waiting for the heatsink to
         | be thrown out of a plane.
        
         | traceroute66 wrote:
         | > No matter how many times ... I keep reading "Heatsink
         | Skydiving".
         | 
         | I always do the same thing with "Homomorphic encryption", I
         | keep reading Homophobic encryption and start wondering what
         | cryptographers have against certain groups of people !
        
       | mindprism wrote:
       | Stop. Moving. THE CAMERA!
        
         | CommieBobDole wrote:
         | I like the part where the camera zooms in but isn't pointed at
         | the spot where things are happening and then slowly pans until
         | it's in frame.
         | 
         | Honestly, looking at the video again, I'm sort of curious as to
         | what exactly is going on with the camera; it seems handheld,
         | but it's also moving in sync with the piece of equipment with
         | the wedge/blade on it. Are they standing on a platform that's
         | fixed to the other equipment?
        
           | hundt wrote:
           | I think the heatsink and platform it is on are moving
           | horizontally and the blade only moves vertically.
        
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