[HN Gopher] Overengineered Japanese Mechanical Pencils [video]
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       Overengineered Japanese Mechanical Pencils [video]
        
       Author : jkellermann
       Score  : 115 points
       Date   : 2022-04-14 08:43 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | yjftsjthsd-h wrote:
       | Alright, I went in thinking "come on, how 'overengineered' can a
       | mechanical _pencil_ be? ", and by about halfway through I wanted
       | to buy one, and at the end I readily admit that they've managed
       | to find exactly the problems with these things and fix them, way
       | beyond what I would have thought practical. Remarkable:)
        
       | fmajid wrote:
       | I have the Orenz Nero, the Kuru Toga and even a Faber-Castell
       | alpha-matic, but my favorite is a Faber-Castell e-motion with its
       | lovely tactile wood barrel and expressive 1.4mm lead.
        
       | deeg wrote:
       | That was fun. I don't use anything except mechanical pencils but
       | none of those really grabbed me and I generally love gadgets. For
       | some reason I don't like the bouncy feel of the spring-protected
       | tips and the only time I break leads is when I drop the pencil on
       | the floor.
        
         | jonhohle wrote:
         | The engineering on the spring protected pencils is amazing, I
         | also like the rounded tip, retractable sleeve on the 0.2mm
         | pencils. I hadn't seen that before this video.
         | 
         | Many years ago I really hoped the Kura Toga would be as
         | revolutionary as the Quicker Clicker was back in the mid-90s,
         | but it always felt like I was fighting the lead orientation. I
         | have eventually settled on the rOtring and draftmatics because
         | I enjoy their aggressive knurling.
         | 
         | I would really like a heavy, aggressively knurled side advance
         | (preferably lower than the Pentel's). I really miss the
         | transparent barrel that displayed the action of the Quicker
         | Clicker, but like the ergonomics of the fatter, tackier rubber
         | grip.
         | 
         | I found the QC and the Pilot Precise V5, around the same time
         | and nearly 30 years later they are still among my favorites. I
         | mostly use the V5RT these days, but gladly grab a V5 (in blue
         | or green) when I can.
        
       | contingencies wrote:
       | Here in China I realised if you want more than 4 colors or so,
       | multicolour pens are also Japanese imports only. But they're too
       | fat to be useful, IMHO. It's also hard to source ballpoint pens
       | in non red-blue-black colours, for no apparent reason. I guess
       | I'm oddball for liking colour contrast in my notes. The nicest
       | pen I ever bought was machined out of Laotian tropical hardwood
       | but it was a traditional calligraphic pen with the nib and ink
       | management issues. For modern writing implements... you can't
       | beat a fullscreen terminal, _vim_ and a Cherry (German design,
       | China fabrication I guess). https://www.cherry-world.com/
        
         | a9h74j wrote:
         | > I guess I'm oddball for liking colour contrast in my notes.
         | 
         | I just started taking notes to learn a new programming
         | language. Writing the code with a red pen and my own notes in
         | blue makes for a fantastic contrast.
        
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       | gorgoiler wrote:
       | JetPens' marketing is amazing. Their online storefront is very
       | well put together, and above all their buyer team ensures they
       | have mountains of imported variety in every category.
       | 
       | It's so nice to see someone doing something well. Really well.
       | 
       | I have no connection to them other than I spent $500 with them
       | last Christmas on gifts for my entire family.
        
         | 0xbadcafebee wrote:
         | You could say it's a website made with Japanese craftsmanship.
         | Really well made, just because.
        
       | amelius wrote:
       | How does the automatic lead extender know by how much to extend
       | the lead? If I were to write lots of dots, the lead would wear
       | off less than when I wrote lots of dashes, but I would touch the
       | paper and lift the pen an equal amount of times. Guess: is it
       | weight controlled?
        
         | readingnews wrote:
         | I am not 100% sure how it works, but I own two of them, and if
         | I write a bunch of dots, it does not keep extending the lead.
        
       | Escapado wrote:
       | This is crazy cool! I wonder how these miniscule and thin lead
       | sleeves are produced and how they manage to stay within tolerance
       | and even get a rounded edge.
        
       | dharmab wrote:
       | I'm sad that I didn't discover the Kuru Toga pencil until after I
       | left school. I put them in gift baskets for friends who are
       | students.
        
       | Justsignedup wrote:
       | Gotta admit, the spring inside the tip to prevent stress breakage
       | sounds amazing. It was the #1 reason I stopped using mechanical
       | pencils.
        
         | bb88 wrote:
         | There's a "pipe slide" model of the kuro toga that will slide
         | the pipe with the writing so only a little bit of lead is
         | exposed at all times.
         | 
         | Uniball also has custom lead with a softer outside and a harder
         | core.
        
         | sva_ wrote:
         | I have a Pentel Orenz Nero 0.2mm with such a feature. It is
         | pretty nice, but you will often scratch over the paper with the
         | metal which is definitely a counter argument. Makes 0.2mm
         | usable though. I think for 0.5mm you don't need it, just get
         | some decent 'lead'.
        
           | eth0up wrote:
           | I have a Pentel (0.5) that I purchased 12 years ago. I treat
           | it with equal ritual and reverence as I do, say, my Korean
           | crossbow, or Leica optics - it has its own altar of sorts. I
           | may have appendages of my own form that are guarded less. I
           | modified it though, using a glue to permanently fix the
           | pocket clip into a particular position.
           | 
           | I was hesitant to post a trivial comment, but I discovered an
           | ancient container of 0.5 pencil inserts this morning, and...
           | I worship high quality Pentels. Built to last!
        
       | jkellermann wrote:
       | My first try to post in HackerNews, hoping this fits the spirit.
       | I was amazed to see the features of these pencil pens.
       | 
       | Are these pencils common where you live? Here in Germany, they
       | are known, but rather seldomly used...
        
         | _aavaa_ wrote:
         | I thoroughly enjoyed it. Overengineered certainly fits the
         | bill, but boy do I love mine (Pentel Orenz).
         | 
         | At 0.2mm it's great for a math, especially with the number of
         | super and subscripts I find myself ending up with.
         | 
         | The redesigned clutch on the one pencil is a Kevin good idea I
         | wish all pencils have. Being able to write till the last 0.5mm
         | of lead instead of wasting 10mm.
         | 
         | 10mm doesn't sound like a lot, but standard lead is only 60mm
         | long, so we're talking about wasting 16% of the lead. It gets
         | even worse if it happens to break into shorter pieces.
        
         | juanci_to wrote:
         | I grew up using a lot of mechanical pencils, but I was too
         | reckless and the cheap ones I used broke easily.
         | 
         | Now I just use a standard #2 pencil.
        
         | jamal-kumar wrote:
         | All my German pens and colored pencils are for art,
         | interestingly. Great investment it's been over the years, keep
         | on coming back to faber-castell, but it does seem to be the
         | focus of what is made in your country.
        
         | Freak_NL wrote:
         | Nah, mechanical pencils are a niche, and those Japanese ones
         | are a niche within a niche here in the Netherlands too. In
         | Japan they are common, mainly due to the writing system that is
         | very well suited to mechanical pencils, so they are common in
         | schools.
         | 
         | I use the Uni Kuru Toga in its fancy aluminium variant for both
         | Dutch (mostly random notes and DIY measurements) and Japanese
         | (I'm Dutch, but proficient in Japanese). For writing kanji, the
         | self-rotating core just can't be beat. The line thickness
         | remains a very neat 0.3mm with 0.5mm pencil lead due to the
         | cone at the writing end staying, well, a cone.
         | 
         | Fortunately, these pencils can be ordered worldwide these days
         | via various resellers. In Japan you get the luxury of just
         | being able to walk into a Wen Fang Ju Wu  (a stationary shop)
         | and buy one starting from Y=500 or so.
        
           | vr46 wrote:
           | The Kuru Toga is so versatile, I have three with different
           | lead. But I do want to investigate these others :D About
           | thirty years ago, I had a Faber-Castell where the lead sleeve
           | retracted and automatically dispensed new lead so finally I
           | will be able to get a similar replacement. It's not always
           | Japan!
        
           | arcen wrote:
           | Hoi! I am in the Netherlands as well, which site did you use
           | to purchase the Kuru Toga? I am interested in buying one too
        
         | riversflow wrote:
         | I have a couple of Rotring 800's that i adore because of the
         | disappearing tip(makes them much more packable!) However I'm
         | the only person I know who has anything not disposable.
        
         | jahewson wrote:
         | You had me at overengineered.
        
       | bllguo wrote:
       | I've used the Kuru Toga for years. The mechanism is so good that
       | I don't see the argument for any other pencil. Which is actually
       | a shame, as I can't get excited for other pencils anymore.
       | 
       | During my school years we had all kinds of discussions and
       | comparisons for best pencils, best pens, best erasers.
        
       | bb88 wrote:
       | I highly recommend getting the kuro toga pipe slide. The pipe
       | slides up to protect the lead as you're writing, but you still
       | get the clutch mechanism that rotates the lead.
       | 
       | They're available on amazon for not a huge amount of money:
       | 
       | https://www.amazon.com/s?k=pipe+slide+kuro+toga (no affiliate
       | link)
        
       | Havoc wrote:
       | The pointy metal ends on these bend so easily though. I love the
       | concept but that just makes them a liability for daily driver use
        
         | donutshop wrote:
         | Yeah it's a sad day when the tip land straight onto the floor
         | :(
        
         | chernevik wrote:
         | You're looking for the Rotring 800, my friend. Twist to retract
         | / extend the lead sleeve into / out of a rounded nub. And it
         | has a beautiful solid heavy build.
         | 
         | There are also the Pentel GraphGear models, which retract /
         | extend with push, but the build isn't as satisfying.
        
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