[HN Gopher] Researchers discover new cell type in human lung wit...
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       Researchers discover new cell type in human lung with regenerative
       properties
        
       Author : NickRandom
       Score  : 119 points
       Date   : 2022-04-16 15:24 UTC (7 hours ago)
        
 (HTM) web link (www.pennmedicine.org)
 (TXT) w3m dump (www.pennmedicine.org)
        
       | DoreenMichele wrote:
       | Yup. I used to have a hole in my left lung. I don't anymore.
        
         | tomcam wrote:
         | Would like to hear more about this!
        
       | elevenoh wrote:
       | Doctors: 'heart muscle can't regenerate' (w/ zero ambiguity in
       | tone)
       | 
       | 2023: 'new heart cell type discovered that contributes to
       | regenerating heart muscle'
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | prmph wrote:
         | You're a bit downvoted, but I agree with your point. Wish that
         | doctors and those in the medical field had a bit a more
         | humility about the complexity of the human body.
         | 
         | From everything we know so far it seems there is no part of the
         | body that is not able to heal to some extent, unless that part
         | has been completely removed, (and even then the body is able to
         | make amends somehow; there was a story on HN some months ago
         | about how cut off fingers are able to regenerate in some
         | cases). Now the rate of healing might be very slow, but the
         | healing is real.
        
           | vlunkr wrote:
           | > Wish that doctors and those in the medical field had a bit
           | a more humility about the complexity of the human body.
           | 
           | This is pretty silly to me. All medical knowledge can
           | potentially be proven wrong. Are doctors supposed to add an
           | asterisk to every single thing they say?
        
             | lostlogin wrote:
             | We will end up with a terms of service form at the door and
             | a list of disclaimers 9 pages long before the 6 minute
             | consult.
        
             | prmph wrote:
             | They are supposed to not discount verifiable information
             | just because it goes against dogma. In particular, they
             | should be careful not to suggest to patients that certain
             | damage to the body is always permanent and thus there is
             | nothing they can do to promote their own healing.
             | 
             | In any case I should have made clear that I was referring
             | mostly to researchers, not your run of the mill practicing
             | doctor.
        
         | DoreenMichele wrote:
         | Doctors used to be one of the wisest, most educated people in a
         | small community where they likely knew everyone. They took
         | their little black bag to your home and got to see how you
         | lived, which gave them vast quantities of knowledge about what
         | ailed you without having to ask a bunch of questions -- more
         | info, in fact, than questions would yield.
         | 
         | Then we invented modern tests and everyone goes to the office
         | or hospital where their machinery is and we get treated like
         | specimens in a petri dish, not like products of our environment
         | and lifestyle.
         | 
         | This is the crux or what's wrong with modern medicine. Also,
         | some doctors don't bother to keep up with new developments in
         | their industry.
        
         | bloodyplonker22 wrote:
         | Doctors are usually not researchers. They are people who read
         | books on already established knowledge and regurgitate
         | information.
        
       | kderbyma wrote:
       | to me this unsurprising. we have decades of evidence showing full
       | recovery from years of sinking at various stages of life.
       | Obviously regeneration is present
        
         | azinman2 wrote:
         | The question isn't whether or not regeneration is a thing (cell
         | themselves die and spawn a new), but how, where, why... all the
         | actual details of a complete understanding.
        
           | User23 wrote:
           | And even with regeneration what's the price paid in telomere
           | shortening? Granted I'd rather regenerate and live healthy at
           | the cost of a few years of extra life with barely usable
           | lungs.
        
             | thaumasiotes wrote:
             | > And even with regeneration what's the price paid in
             | telomere shortening?
             | 
             | Regeneration isn't exactly an unusual phenomenon. Your skin
             | does it all the time, but even that is nothing compared to
             | the inside of your mouth.
        
         | iancmceachern wrote:
         | The big deal isn't the fact that it exists. It's that we start
         | to identify it, understand it, and eventually harness it.
         | 
         | The big deal with penicillin wasn't that it exists in nature.
         | It's that we were able to figure out how to harness it.
        
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       | amznbyebyebye wrote:
       | Incredible how we're still learning new things like this in 2022.
        
         | ycombinete wrote:
         | IIRC we just discovered a new muscle in the human jaw, last
         | year
        
         | unsupp0rted wrote:
         | It would be surprising if we weren't. We likely know far less
         | than 50% of the fundamentals.
        
           | wpasc wrote:
           | I hope you are wrong about <50%, but you may be right. I'd be
           | curious as to a reasonable lower bound of human knowledge
           | about human biology; do we know at least 25% of the
           | fundamentals?
        
             | chaxor wrote:
             | A big problem right now in biology is the _framing_ of
             | these fundamentals in education. We know some things, but
             | they 're typically presented fairly piecewise in higher
             | education.
             | 
             | One example of the fragmentation: You're in an oncology
             | lab? - study this particular protein and DNA damage
             | association - but cell cycle is downplayed. Or vice versa.
             | There's a lot of segmentation that goes on when the
             | processes are really part of the same system.
             | 
             | In terms of fundamentals, I think we really need to switch
             | towards starting biology education with just the pieces of
             | the minimally viable cell. By using this as a tool to base
             | everything upon, we can make biology a bit more scientific,
             | rather than just the list of observations that it tends to
             | swing towards today.
        
         | lr4444lr wrote:
         | I think a silver lining to COVID is that pulmonary illnesses
         | are going to get a lot more funding and priority than they did
         | prior.
        
           | agumonkey wrote:
           | Apparently a lot of organs have scars from COVID, even liver.
        
             | Aromasin wrote:
             | From my very basic understanding as an interested
             | electronic engineer, while symptomatically pulmonary for
             | the most part, COVID is a largely cardiovascular disease.
             | Medical professionals please correct me if I'm wrong, but
             | I've read that the most dangerous symptom, pneumonia, stems
             | from fluid leaking into the lungs due to dilation of the
             | blood vessels, along with causing joint pain, loss of taste
             | and smell, and swollen limbs.
        
               | shmooper wrote:
               | COVID's most dangerous symptom is a condition called
               | cytokine storm[1]. Cytokines are molecules used by the
               | immune system as a means for communication, such as
               | calling for help, cell destruction and more. COVID
               | creates a "storm" of signals, driving the immune system
               | crazy. As a part of the immune system reaction to those
               | signals, inflammation can occur (as a way to isolate and
               | fight a specific infected zone). During this attack, the
               | immune system sends out cells from the blood and into the
               | organs[2], making the blood vessels more permeable. I'm
               | not certain but I believe that's the cardiovascular
               | symptoms you're referring to.
               | 
               | 1. The COVID-19 Cytokine Storm; What We Know So Far https
               | ://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2020.0144..
               | . 2. Leukocyte Migration into Inflamed Tissues https://ww
               | w.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S107476131...
        
               | agumonkey wrote:
               | From my even more basic understanding, the "vascular"
               | part comes from covid affection for epithelial cell
               | receptors, epithelial cells being about everywhere in
               | your body (that's why it can propagate from nose to
               | brain). I assumed the liver had similar tissue lining
               | it's entry points.
        
             | toolz wrote:
             | Is the scarring worse than with other common viruses? As
             | far as I'm aware, every single covid symptom that made
             | headlines is a common symptom among many other viruses, but
             | it makes for good clickbait to pretend the symptom is novel
             | and lead unsuspecting readings into making false
             | conclusions that the severity of the symptom is somehow
             | novel.
        
           | hwers wrote:
           | It's hard for me to see "X gets more funding" as something to
           | celebrate. Funding is essentially zero sum so that just means
           | something else is now less funded as a consequence.
        
             | srgpqt wrote:
             | Not necessarily. Organisations/billionaires who were
             | previously not investing may have more incentive to do so
             | now that covid is widespread.
        
       | lr4444lr wrote:
       | This is really exciting, but would these RASC cells only affect
       | emphysema COPD subtype? There's the other branch (chronic
       | bronchitis), and the millions afflicted with asthma whose main
       | struggle is airway narrowing/hardening/hyperresponsiveness - it
       | doesn't sound from this overview that it would likely help, but
       | any advance we can make in our cellular understanding of
       | pulmonary disease is hugely important.
        
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