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       The 'Batman Effect': How having an alter ego empowers you
        
       Author : mrleinad
       Score  : 86 points
       Date   : 2022-04-16 20:13 UTC (2 hours ago)
        
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       | Barrin92 wrote:
       | Immediately made me think of VTubing. A lot of vtubers now are
       | among the most popular streaming channels on Youtube and many of
       | them are probably what you could call above average performers in
       | terms of what content they put out, from music to narrative
       | fiction.
       | 
       | Also reminded of me of an interview with Buckethead explaining
       | his alter ego:
       | 
       |  _" "Because I was always super scared to play, and I didn't
       | really link that together, I just thought 'This is weird.' Like a
       | horror movie guy. And when he saw it he was like 'You should just
       | go for it!' I was like 'That would be cool.' Because I could do
       | everything I liked doing as this character that I'm totally
       | scared to death to do otherwise. And it applied to all the stuff
       | I like, like Disneyland and martial arts and dancing, all that
       | stuff I liked. I was like, 'I can't do it just like me.' It was a
       | great way to get all the stuff out."_
        
         | vmception wrote:
         | My friends that I've taken to masquarades (or just worn fun
         | masks to clubs with) have said similar things.
         | 
         | Its like despite being goofier and less conspicuous, they feel
         | so much more free
        
         | unwind wrote:
         | Okay I will fly the Old Guy flag proudly and paste a
         | definition:
         | 
         |  _A VTuber, or virtual YouTuber, is an online entertainer who
         | uses a virtual avatar generated using computer graphics and
         | real-time motion capture software or technology._
         | 
         | Straight from Wikipedia.
        
           | drBonkers wrote:
           | I don't think this one is an old guy thing. No one I know in
           | their 20s would know what a VTuber is. Thanks for the
           | definition.
        
             | psyc wrote:
             | I'm in my forties and have known exactly what this was for
             | years (ever since Hatsune Miku), but still had to look up
             | the term "VTuber", which I did not recognize.
        
         | agumonkey wrote:
         | French guitarist Matthieu Cheddid, althought not hiding as
         | much, says he changed his appearance and created some kind of
         | persona (so-called M) to drop his fears to be a public artist.
        
           | bobkazamakis wrote:
           | You bring guitar into the idea of an alter ego without
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckethead
        
       | egypturnash wrote:
       | Furries have known this power for decades.
        
       | amelius wrote:
       | Perhaps schizophrenia has an evolutionary advantage?
        
         | _qua wrote:
         | That's not what schizophrenia is.
        
         | V-2 wrote:
         | You probably meant split personality.
        
       | thenerdhead wrote:
       | I taught comedy improv for many years. One tip I would give new
       | performers is to adopt an alter ego for the stage (a fun fake
       | name and/or personality) and to choose a totem (an object) that
       | they wear to do just that such as shoes, a shirt, watch, etc.
       | 
       | This helped so many different people such as accountants, pre-k
       | teachers, stay-at-home moms, and even university professors get
       | out of their shells, prevent their stage fright, and to be more
       | energetic on-stage when their normal persona is calm, cool, and
       | collected.
       | 
       | I do believe we also have an alter ego in three different
       | situations such as work, home, and play. Another common thing I
       | would teach is that you can alter your characters in scenes
       | easily by adopting one of those personas of the character you're
       | portraying.
       | 
       | I believe many people adopt an alter ego without knowing it
       | today. These are YouTubers, Streamers, Conference Speakers, and
       | really anything where there's a concept of a "stage".
       | 
       | The book "The Alter Ego Effect" by Todd Herman goes into this
       | further, but my favorite material on this is "Impro" by Keith
       | Johnstone.
        
         | hesdeadjim wrote:
         | I've found five years of D&D to have a similar, and persistent,
         | effect. In the beginning I found it hard to relax and "yes and"
         | what was going on. Fast forward to now, I can be in character
         | in front of random people without a hint of anxiety. It was a
         | completely unexpected side-effect of playing, and I've also
         | seen a general increase in creativity as well.
        
           | sklargh wrote:
           | Came here thinking about how much my time as a B|X ref has
           | helped me socially/professionally.
        
       | bovermyer wrote:
       | When does it stop being an alter ego and become dissociative
       | identity disorder?
        
         | macksd wrote:
         | When it starts being involuntary and harmful, or perhaps in
         | response to emotional trauma?
        
       | cwaffles wrote:
       | I recall there was an article of mental models to make the most
       | in life, knowing that their time on Earth is limited. For example
       | one would try to live like they are the protagonist of their own
       | life movie, living like a rock star. Does anyone recall an
       | article like that?
        
       | Comevius wrote:
       | I wonder if this comes with side effects, like how mindfulness
       | increases selfishness in those who think that their existence is
       | independent from the existence of others, which is how most
       | people in Western countries think.
       | 
       | Playfulness is probably a healthier option for shifting your
       | perception compared to this much self-distancing.
        
         | emerged wrote:
         | You managed to shit on both westerners and people who use
         | mindfulness... for no real reason.
         | 
         | Or maybe it was your alter ego?
         | 
         | Anyway, I used to have an alter ego. But I stopped using it for
         | years, then one day a guy I never met got really mad at me
         | because he didn't want to use my nickname. It was an odd moment
         | because I had never met him and don't even use that nickname.
         | He just heard it from someone else and the existence of a
         | nickname apparently made him angry.
         | 
         | I quit shortly after because the manager who was also on the
         | call didn't even react as this guy I never met yelled at me for
         | reasons that made no sense.
        
         | katzgrau wrote:
         | > like how mindfulness increases selfishness in those who think
         | that their existence is independent from the existence of
         | others
         | 
         | ... If one was really being mindful, they'd eventually see that
         | the existence of their "self" is only possible in relation to
         | others existing. So there's the self and the other, but in
         | essence, one.
         | 
         | And that's one of the reasons the golden rule makes so much
         | sense.
         | 
         | So I wouldn't blame mindfulness for any side effects. Negative
         | side effects are the result of the ego/self creeping back into
         | the picture.
        
           | Comevius wrote:
           | The problem might not be with mindfulness, but with our self-
           | centered culture, which causes this secularized mindfulness
           | to be a snake oil with a few personal benefits at best. It's
           | more of a self-discipline or concentration tool when you
           | strip it from it's culture, which used to involve ethics as I
           | understand.
        
       | ad404b8a372f2b9 wrote:
       | Do we not all have a professional alter ego? I'm a completely
       | different guy when I'm at work, I don't give myself a different
       | name, and it's not the same pressure as a rock star but still, it
       | seems natural.
        
         | fsloth wrote:
         | I am at least and it's terribly exhausting. Need to pretend I
         | care about the product, care about being perceived as a high
         | output individual contributor etc. Need to pretend I'm good
         | with people and generally cheery.
         | 
         | I am all of those things at work, but I need to say to myself
         | "be all of these things" and consciously think about "ok how
         | would or should the professional me act in this situation".
         | 
         | Maybe everyone does it to an extent, I don't know.
         | 
         | Professional life has certain expectations I find artificial
         | and incomprehensible (multiple weird games going on behind the
         | scenes etc) so I try to cope.
         | 
         | Weird rules like "every engineer is expected to take pride in
         | their work and have their professional output be a matter of
         | honor" and so on. My take is - "meh. You pay me. I write your
         | high quality code. It's terribly important but also terribly
         | tedious and boring. I really do not appreciate the hours I need
         | to waste at my job but that's what it means to earn a living as
         | a cog in a machine and I seem to be a pretty well performing
         | cog".
         | 
         | Every programmer probably dreams of winning a lottery so they
         | could focus on writing programs they find interesting and not
         | just those that pay the bills.
        
         | akvadrako wrote:
         | No, I'm pretty much the same at work as with my friends and
         | alone.
         | 
         | I also don't do well in very corporate environments. But that
         | tradeoff is worth it.
        
         | RF_Savage wrote:
         | Yeah I'm sure everybody has their worksona.
        
           | DoreenMichele wrote:
           | Only if you have any sense and a clue.
           | 
           | Some people don't do that and maybe learn the hard way that
           | it's not good to be too genuine all the time with everyone.
        
         | vmception wrote:
         | Yeah I just nod and agree with co-worker's exclusionary forms
         | of inclusion, to continue exchanging time for money and
         | potentially sex with that co-worker.
         | 
         | A very large part of how echo chambers form
        
           | FFRefresh wrote:
           | I really like the framing you used: 'exclusionary forms of
           | inclusion'. Really encapsulates it well.
        
       | danielmarkbruce wrote:
       | Trump seems to use this to great effect....
        
         | google234123 wrote:
         | Fake it 'til you make it - though most people we see or hear
         | about in the news are outliers :p
        
       | unknownus3r wrote:
       | Strongly disagree. While "alter ego" helps short term it just
       | delays the reckoning and imposter syndrome for later and leads to
       | identity issues and confusion. Take the hard path in the present
       | and watch it get easier later
        
       | LAC-Tech wrote:
       | This can most clearly be seen in professional wrestling, where
       | their alter egos are front and centre of the whole presentation.
        
       | evocatus wrote:
       | What happens when you assume the alter ego in perpetuity? Where
       | does the "original ego" go?
        
         | tyurok wrote:
         | Art imitates life until life imitates art.
        
         | QuikAccount wrote:
         | Funny that you ask this. I recall reading about this a while
         | ago although I can't find what I was reading. Apparently this
         | is called "ego suicide." Killing your original self and letting
         | the personality you created takeover your entire being.
        
           | TeaDude wrote:
           | I have an further question. No pressure if you don't remember
           | or it wasn't listed. (I'm really interested in _anyone_ who
           | can answer this)
           | 
           | Is there a term for when you believe that that "original ego"
           | was killed by something else? Be it killed by "the world" or
           | some serious life event or revelation or something.
        
             | evocatus wrote:
             | This is the ego death. You could fill libraries with what
             | has been written on this phenomenon, though under many
             | different names.
        
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       | jollybean wrote:
       | Chris Gaines [1]
       | 
       | [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Gaines
        
       | anyfactor wrote:
       | What's up, you got Ed Chambers.
       | 
       | https://youtube.com/watch?v=vnug6i5SkQQ
        
       | ankit219 wrote:
       | I just wonder what are the other things from comic books that
       | might actually turn out to be true if there is research on them.
        
       | V-2 wrote:
       | To me the effect occurs - to some extent - with regard to which
       | language I speak.
        
       | bigmattystyles wrote:
       | This is an anecdote of 1, but I grew up in France speaking French
       | and moved to the US at 11. I don't have an accent when I speak
       | English or French. I'm truly bilingual. I feel like I have way
       | less anxiety, am more relaxed and have more confidence when I
       | speak French, and it's not just the setting. I've done it for
       | long periods of time professionally, on dates, etc.. I don't know
       | if there's anything to this. To me it's always felt like there
       | was.
        
       | drewcoo wrote:
        
       | soared wrote:
       | Full article: https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20200817-the-
       | batman-eff...
        
       | version_five wrote:
       | Just to nitpick, "Bruce Wayne" is the alter ego of batman, not
       | the other way around, at least in the Chris Nolan movies. In
       | reality he's smart and tough and hardened by the League of
       | Shadows, etc. But as Bruce Wayne he plays a bimbo billionaire so
       | that nobody will realize who he actually is.
        
         | tomcam wrote:
         | Many consider me a bimbo thousandaire
        
         | Rzor wrote:
         | In many comic books too. He thinks of himself as Batman, not
         | Bruce Wayne, and never feels entirely comfortable without the
         | mask.
        
         | endominus wrote:
         | Not just the Nolan movies; a number of comics mention that, and
         | a memorable scene in Batman Beyond makes it even more explicit.
         | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t7yiN_Z5eg
        
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       | smoe wrote:
       | Reminded me of something my mother told me about her school years
       | in Finland in around the 60s: In the beginning of the year for
       | the foreign language classes every student had to came up with a
       | fictional persona that fits the culture of the language being
       | learned and stick with it during the entire year.
       | 
       | As I understand one of the main rationales was, that if it less
       | likely for you to fall back to the native tongue when you don't
       | know how to say something when you are playing a role. I found
       | that pretty interesting. I have no idea how widespread this sort
       | of thing is/was.
        
       | tomcam wrote:
       | Childish Gambino, Donald Glover's alter ego, covering a song by
       | Chris Gaines, Garth Brooks' alter ego:
       | 
       | https://youtu.be/yBPKdl_YeqE
        
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