[HN Gopher] Framework Laptop Mainboard
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       Framework Laptop Mainboard
        
       Author : hecanjog
       Score  : 156 points
       Date   : 2022-04-19 21:43 UTC (1 hours ago)
        
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       | ryukafalz wrote:
       | This is incredibly cool. Love to see anything that encourages
       | repair and reuse of parts that still have some life left in them!
       | 
       | If I hadn't just recently bought a new laptop I'd likely be going
       | for a Framework today, and provided they're still around when
       | it's time for an upgrade it'll probably be my next laptop. (I
       | suspect it'll be a while before I need a new one though.)
        
       | ge96 wrote:
       | Side note, I think the STL viewer in github is such a cool
       | feature
        
       | TheMagicHorsey wrote:
       | Wow, these guys are awesome. Love to see a company take a new,
       | and potentially long view towards customers and profitability.
       | Most companies in their position would be jealously guarding this
       | information and would be paranoid about cheap clones taking away
       | their market/customers. But this team is not.
       | 
       | Shows they are confident in their ability to not just rest on
       | laurels, but continue to develop a platform, add value, and earn
       | their customers business.
       | 
       | Now, if only we could get a lovely M1 Pro chip (or something like
       | it) into their deserving hands! At the moment my Mac 16 Pro is
       | unbelievably better than all the x86 competition out there ...
       | except for the fact that its a totally proprietary and
       | unrepairable black box.
       | 
       | I would love to see AMD, Nvidia, or a company like SiFive release
       | something like the M1 Pro, and then an integrator like Framework
       | put it all into a great package and finally give Apple the
       | competition they need.
        
       | noveltyaccount wrote:
       | The 3D printable, open-source, case that allows you to use the
       | mainboard as a standalone computer is such a nice touch!
       | https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/Mainboard/tree/main/Mec...
        
       | yjftsjthsd-h wrote:
       | Oh, that's cool - so you could use the mainboard as a SBC? Put a
       | few of them in a case with a (big) PSU and some I/O (storage,
       | probably) and have a cluster-in-a-box?
       | 
       | Or, in the opposite direction, is this material enough to create
       | a drop-in replacement board with, say, an ARM (or eventually
       | RISC-V) processor that you could put in a Framework Laptop?
        
         | nrp wrote:
         | This release is aimed more at the former. We're happy to
         | connect with and support anyone who wants to make a serious
         | attempt at a drop-in replacement board though, and would use
         | that exercise to create more documentation to share publicly.
        
           | Scramblejams wrote:
           | I'm looking forward to people putting Steam Deck motherboards
           | into Frameworks...
        
       | fernandogrd wrote:
       | The blog post has more information:
       | https://frame.work/blog/mainboard-availability-and-open-sour...
        
       | bobsmooth wrote:
       | Was looking forward to this. Excited to see what people can make
       | with an easily available high powered SBC.
        
       | Karsteski wrote:
       | I would love to buy one of these and hack it into something
       | absurd, if only I had the money to burn!
       | 
       | Love what you're doing Framework, I will purchase one of your
       | products in the future for sure :)
        
       | nrp wrote:
       | I'm happy to answer any questions anyone has on this. This is an
       | initial set of documentation, and we'll prioritize
       | writing/creating more based on what is most useful to enable
       | Mainboard re-use.
        
         | SSilver2k2 wrote:
         | Incredible work.
        
         | thetinguy wrote:
         | Can it be used as a single board computer like a latte panda or
         | raspberry pi, once you supply thing like memory.
        
           | noveltyaccount wrote:
           | Yes, and they open-sourced a 3D-printable case just for that
           | purpose :) https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/Mainboard/tre
           | e/main/Mec...
        
           | JohnBooty wrote:
           | "We designed the Mainboard from the start as a standalone
           | module to make upgrades easy in the Framework Laptop and to
           | also work great as a high-performance single board computer"
        
         | rubynerd wrote:
         | This looks absolutely incredible, and given the supply issues
         | with Intel's NUCs, couldn't have come at a better time!
         | 
         | Do you have an estimate of when the Framework Marketplace will
         | be available for UK customers? Currently Marketplace links
         | redirect to the UK homepage, and is only accessible after
         | manually selecting "United States" as a country.
        
           | nrp wrote:
           | We're currently setting up the logistics infrastructure for
           | the Marketplace for UK and EU. We'll have waitlist
           | functionality open sooner so that you can at least browse the
           | product catalog though.
        
             | rubynerd wrote:
             | Amazing -- thank you!
             | 
             | The experience is a little rough with the redirect, and I'd
             | love it if I could put an email somewhere for a reminder
             | when it launches. Otherwise though I'm really looking
             | forward to ordering soon!
        
         | strohwueste wrote:
         | First of all great work! But did you also consider the step
         | after re-use? What happens to the components and the materials
         | in recycling?
        
           | nrp wrote:
           | We hope and expect that many of the re-use use cases can have
           | longer lifetimes than a laptop normally would (e.g. a pfsense
           | box that happily chugs away in a closet for a decade), but
           | past that point, it enters the same disposition stream that
           | electronics can safely be recycled through by consumers.
           | We're working on making that experience easier by having the
           | QR code on each module point to a page that includes local
           | certified recyclers in the future.
        
         | bobsmooth wrote:
         | Any plans to sell this or other mainboards separately?
        
           | nrp wrote:
           | Yep, the Mainboard is available as of today:
           | https://frame.work/products/mainboard?v=FRANFG000A
        
             | bobsmooth wrote:
             | $400 for a powerful SBC with consumer-level support and
             | drivers is a pretty great price.
        
             | moondev wrote:
             | Does the mainboard require the keyboard and screen modules
             | to function?
             | 
             | Or could one fully use it "standalone" providing they
             | supply their own usb-c power, memory, storage + external
             | keyboard+monitor?
             | 
             |  _edit_ - looks like it can. the 3d printable case is
             | slick, wish it was sold in the store:
             | https://frame.work/blog/mainboard-availability-and-open-
             | sour...
        
               | nrp wrote:
               | It works fully standalone. Technically the only required
               | items beyond the Mainboard itself are DRAM and a power
               | source (USB-C or a Framework Laptop Battery).
        
             | delusional wrote:
             | When you select the different models of mainboard the order
             | of the "Included", "Specs", and "Additional Information"
             | options switch places. Just a minor UI thing.
        
         | gary_0 wrote:
         | > All you need to do is insert memory, plug in a USB-C power
         | adapter, and hit the tiny power button on-board, and you've got
         | a powered-up computer.
         | 
         | That's brilliant. Do you see potential for this becoming
         | popular as a "Raspberry Pi on steroids"? Any future plans to
         | encourage that kind of ecosystem?
        
           | nrp wrote:
           | We certainly hope so. As we look at the ~5 year view of this
           | and have a substantial number of Mainboards in the wild that
           | have been upgraded out of Framework Laptops, we want to do
           | everything we can to foster an ecosystem of methods to re-use
           | them. We actually announced a giveaway of 100 Mainboards to
           | developers as part of the release today to help bootstrap
           | this: https://forms.gle/RegGHe6R4H5cEstH9
        
         | goodpoint wrote:
         | Are all schematics, BoM, PCBs released with open licenses?
         | 
         | Is anything patented?
         | 
         | Would you welcome other companies making compatible components?
        
         | heavyset_go wrote:
         | I like the idea of x86 SBCs because of ARM SBC issues with lack
         | of SBSA, while x86 computers ship with ACPI support.
         | 
         | Now when are the AMD mainboards coming? ;)
        
           | ncmncm wrote:
           | Yes, I am waiting for the AMD version, as well. No doubt a
           | lot of us are.
           | 
           | Gotta say I was disappointed when the first ones out were
           | Intel.
        
         | gtvwill wrote:
         | Just want to chime in with some appreciation. Phenomenal work
         | your doing for tech with ethics.
        
       | lowbloodsugar wrote:
       | Oh. Intel, huh?
        
       | byefruit wrote:
       | My current laptop needs to be replaced really soon, I'm hoping
       | Framework will announce either a recent AMD Ryzen or Intel's
       | Alder Lake. The difference between the 11th and 12th gen Intel is
       | big enough I don't want to spend the next three years regretting
       | it.
       | 
       | Unfortunately Lenovo or Dell might get my budget if it looks like
       | that's not going to happen for a while. This laptop has had a few
       | too many drops off of my bike (which is why repairability would
       | be great!).
        
         | noveltyaccount wrote:
         | Or for that matter, high end ARM chips :)
        
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         | pizza234 wrote:
         | > The difference between the 11th and 12th gen Intel is big
         | enough I don't want to spend the next three years regretting
         | it.
         | 
         | With the Framework though, the CPU (motherboard) is intended to
         | be replaceable. There will likely be (assuming there isn't one
         | already) a secondary market of individual parts.
        
           | babypuncher wrote:
           | When I buy a laptop with an upgrade path in mind, the hope is
           | that I will do so in 2-3 years, not next week. Otherwise I am
           | just spending a bunch of money on hardware that I will not
           | actually use for very long.
           | 
           | Alder Lake and Zen 3 have been out for a while now, so I do
           | not think it is unreasonable to expect a brand new laptop to
           | ship with either of them.
        
             | ouEight12 wrote:
             | > I do not think it is unreasonable to expect a brand new
             | laptop to ship with either of them.
             | 
             | For a Dell, HP, or other multinational conglomerate who
             | gets new chipsets in advance from Intel and always has a
             | dozen or more models on the never ending merry-go-round of
             | 'hype the new, dump last seasons at Costco on the people
             | who don't know any better', no, it's not unreasonable.
             | 
             | For a small batch manufacturer who's been shipping laptops
             | less then a year and is still effectively on their first
             | model release? All in the middle of a pandemic induced
             | supply chain fiasco?
             | 
             | It kind of is.
        
               | babypuncher wrote:
               | Maybe for Alder Lake, but Zen 3 has been around for an
               | eternity, and is already on the cusp of being succeeded
               | by Zen 4. Zen 3 is also _so much better_ than 11th gen
               | Intel that I struggle to understand why any manufacturer
               | would have chosen Intel for their new flagship laptop in
               | 2021.
        
           | wmf wrote:
           | Buying an obsolete laptop now and upgrading it in a few
           | months is not a good use of money though.
        
             | delusional wrote:
             | It's also not a good use of the earths resources, which i
             | think is part of the ethos of framework.
        
         | idealmedtech wrote:
         | Lenovo P series has great repairability! Will definitely be
         | getting a framework next, though.
        
       | thelazydogsback wrote:
       | Great stuff! Can't wait for an old-man version that's 15.6", 16"
       | or 17" :)
        
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