[HN Gopher] Framework Laptop Mainboard ___________________________________________________________________ Framework Laptop Mainboard Author : hecanjog Score : 156 points Date : 2022-04-19 21:43 UTC (1 hours ago) (HTM) web link (github.com) (TXT) w3m dump (github.com) | ryukafalz wrote: | This is incredibly cool. Love to see anything that encourages | repair and reuse of parts that still have some life left in them! | | If I hadn't just recently bought a new laptop I'd likely be going | for a Framework today, and provided they're still around when | it's time for an upgrade it'll probably be my next laptop. (I | suspect it'll be a while before I need a new one though.) | ge96 wrote: | Side note, I think the STL viewer in github is such a cool | feature | TheMagicHorsey wrote: | Wow, these guys are awesome. Love to see a company take a new, | and potentially long view towards customers and profitability. | Most companies in their position would be jealously guarding this | information and would be paranoid about cheap clones taking away | their market/customers. But this team is not. | | Shows they are confident in their ability to not just rest on | laurels, but continue to develop a platform, add value, and earn | their customers business. | | Now, if only we could get a lovely M1 Pro chip (or something like | it) into their deserving hands! At the moment my Mac 16 Pro is | unbelievably better than all the x86 competition out there ... | except for the fact that its a totally proprietary and | unrepairable black box. | | I would love to see AMD, Nvidia, or a company like SiFive release | something like the M1 Pro, and then an integrator like Framework | put it all into a great package and finally give Apple the | competition they need. | noveltyaccount wrote: | The 3D printable, open-source, case that allows you to use the | mainboard as a standalone computer is such a nice touch! | https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/Mainboard/tree/main/Mec... | yjftsjthsd-h wrote: | Oh, that's cool - so you could use the mainboard as a SBC? Put a | few of them in a case with a (big) PSU and some I/O (storage, | probably) and have a cluster-in-a-box? | | Or, in the opposite direction, is this material enough to create | a drop-in replacement board with, say, an ARM (or eventually | RISC-V) processor that you could put in a Framework Laptop? | nrp wrote: | This release is aimed more at the former. We're happy to | connect with and support anyone who wants to make a serious | attempt at a drop-in replacement board though, and would use | that exercise to create more documentation to share publicly. | Scramblejams wrote: | I'm looking forward to people putting Steam Deck motherboards | into Frameworks... | fernandogrd wrote: | The blog post has more information: | https://frame.work/blog/mainboard-availability-and-open-sour... | bobsmooth wrote: | Was looking forward to this. Excited to see what people can make | with an easily available high powered SBC. | Karsteski wrote: | I would love to buy one of these and hack it into something | absurd, if only I had the money to burn! | | Love what you're doing Framework, I will purchase one of your | products in the future for sure :) | nrp wrote: | I'm happy to answer any questions anyone has on this. This is an | initial set of documentation, and we'll prioritize | writing/creating more based on what is most useful to enable | Mainboard re-use. | SSilver2k2 wrote: | Incredible work. | thetinguy wrote: | Can it be used as a single board computer like a latte panda or | raspberry pi, once you supply thing like memory. | noveltyaccount wrote: | Yes, and they open-sourced a 3D-printable case just for that | purpose :) https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/Mainboard/tre | e/main/Mec... | JohnBooty wrote: | "We designed the Mainboard from the start as a standalone | module to make upgrades easy in the Framework Laptop and to | also work great as a high-performance single board computer" | rubynerd wrote: | This looks absolutely incredible, and given the supply issues | with Intel's NUCs, couldn't have come at a better time! | | Do you have an estimate of when the Framework Marketplace will | be available for UK customers? Currently Marketplace links | redirect to the UK homepage, and is only accessible after | manually selecting "United States" as a country. | nrp wrote: | We're currently setting up the logistics infrastructure for | the Marketplace for UK and EU. We'll have waitlist | functionality open sooner so that you can at least browse the | product catalog though. | rubynerd wrote: | Amazing -- thank you! | | The experience is a little rough with the redirect, and I'd | love it if I could put an email somewhere for a reminder | when it launches. Otherwise though I'm really looking | forward to ordering soon! | strohwueste wrote: | First of all great work! But did you also consider the step | after re-use? What happens to the components and the materials | in recycling? | nrp wrote: | We hope and expect that many of the re-use use cases can have | longer lifetimes than a laptop normally would (e.g. a pfsense | box that happily chugs away in a closet for a decade), but | past that point, it enters the same disposition stream that | electronics can safely be recycled through by consumers. | We're working on making that experience easier by having the | QR code on each module point to a page that includes local | certified recyclers in the future. | bobsmooth wrote: | Any plans to sell this or other mainboards separately? | nrp wrote: | Yep, the Mainboard is available as of today: | https://frame.work/products/mainboard?v=FRANFG000A | bobsmooth wrote: | $400 for a powerful SBC with consumer-level support and | drivers is a pretty great price. | moondev wrote: | Does the mainboard require the keyboard and screen modules | to function? | | Or could one fully use it "standalone" providing they | supply their own usb-c power, memory, storage + external | keyboard+monitor? | | _edit_ - looks like it can. the 3d printable case is | slick, wish it was sold in the store: | https://frame.work/blog/mainboard-availability-and-open- | sour... | nrp wrote: | It works fully standalone. Technically the only required | items beyond the Mainboard itself are DRAM and a power | source (USB-C or a Framework Laptop Battery). | delusional wrote: | When you select the different models of mainboard the order | of the "Included", "Specs", and "Additional Information" | options switch places. Just a minor UI thing. | gary_0 wrote: | > All you need to do is insert memory, plug in a USB-C power | adapter, and hit the tiny power button on-board, and you've got | a powered-up computer. | | That's brilliant. Do you see potential for this becoming | popular as a "Raspberry Pi on steroids"? Any future plans to | encourage that kind of ecosystem? | nrp wrote: | We certainly hope so. As we look at the ~5 year view of this | and have a substantial number of Mainboards in the wild that | have been upgraded out of Framework Laptops, we want to do | everything we can to foster an ecosystem of methods to re-use | them. We actually announced a giveaway of 100 Mainboards to | developers as part of the release today to help bootstrap | this: https://forms.gle/RegGHe6R4H5cEstH9 | goodpoint wrote: | Are all schematics, BoM, PCBs released with open licenses? | | Is anything patented? | | Would you welcome other companies making compatible components? | heavyset_go wrote: | I like the idea of x86 SBCs because of ARM SBC issues with lack | of SBSA, while x86 computers ship with ACPI support. | | Now when are the AMD mainboards coming? ;) | ncmncm wrote: | Yes, I am waiting for the AMD version, as well. No doubt a | lot of us are. | | Gotta say I was disappointed when the first ones out were | Intel. | gtvwill wrote: | Just want to chime in with some appreciation. Phenomenal work | your doing for tech with ethics. | lowbloodsugar wrote: | Oh. Intel, huh? | byefruit wrote: | My current laptop needs to be replaced really soon, I'm hoping | Framework will announce either a recent AMD Ryzen or Intel's | Alder Lake. The difference between the 11th and 12th gen Intel is | big enough I don't want to spend the next three years regretting | it. | | Unfortunately Lenovo or Dell might get my budget if it looks like | that's not going to happen for a while. This laptop has had a few | too many drops off of my bike (which is why repairability would | be great!). | noveltyaccount wrote: | Or for that matter, high end ARM chips :) | [deleted] | pizza234 wrote: | > The difference between the 11th and 12th gen Intel is big | enough I don't want to spend the next three years regretting | it. | | With the Framework though, the CPU (motherboard) is intended to | be replaceable. There will likely be (assuming there isn't one | already) a secondary market of individual parts. | babypuncher wrote: | When I buy a laptop with an upgrade path in mind, the hope is | that I will do so in 2-3 years, not next week. Otherwise I am | just spending a bunch of money on hardware that I will not | actually use for very long. | | Alder Lake and Zen 3 have been out for a while now, so I do | not think it is unreasonable to expect a brand new laptop to | ship with either of them. | ouEight12 wrote: | > I do not think it is unreasonable to expect a brand new | laptop to ship with either of them. | | For a Dell, HP, or other multinational conglomerate who | gets new chipsets in advance from Intel and always has a | dozen or more models on the never ending merry-go-round of | 'hype the new, dump last seasons at Costco on the people | who don't know any better', no, it's not unreasonable. | | For a small batch manufacturer who's been shipping laptops | less then a year and is still effectively on their first | model release? All in the middle of a pandemic induced | supply chain fiasco? | | It kind of is. | babypuncher wrote: | Maybe for Alder Lake, but Zen 3 has been around for an | eternity, and is already on the cusp of being succeeded | by Zen 4. Zen 3 is also _so much better_ than 11th gen | Intel that I struggle to understand why any manufacturer | would have chosen Intel for their new flagship laptop in | 2021. | wmf wrote: | Buying an obsolete laptop now and upgrading it in a few | months is not a good use of money though. | delusional wrote: | It's also not a good use of the earths resources, which i | think is part of the ethos of framework. | idealmedtech wrote: | Lenovo P series has great repairability! Will definitely be | getting a framework next, though. | thelazydogsback wrote: | Great stuff! Can't wait for an old-man version that's 15.6", 16" | or 17" :) ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2022-04-19 23:00 UTC)