[HN Gopher] It is impossible to exceed the weight limit for a sm...
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       It is impossible to exceed the weight limit for a small USPS flat
       rate box
        
       Author : MVorlm
       Score  : 119 points
       Date   : 2022-04-21 22:35 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | radicality wrote:
       | Semi related - a few months ago, while not fully sober, I was
       | aimlessly browsing through Amazon and ended up owning a set of
       | two 1.5inch cubes - one aluminium, one tungsten.
       | 
       | It's kind of a silly purchase considering it's a lot of money for
       | 2 metal cubes, but it's honestly very impressive just how heavy
       | that small cube is - both objectively, and when compared to the
       | aluminium cube. Also makes for a great talking point when having
       | guests over.
        
         | chiph wrote:
         | When I heard that the crypto millionaires were buying Tungsten
         | cubes for fun, I checked into the prices. Amazon lists a 1.5"
         | cube (weighs 1 kg) at $199 and a 4" cube (that weighs 18.9 kg
         | [0]) at $3499. There's no way I'm spending that, but I will
         | admit to wanting to experience their density for myself.
         | 
         | [0] free Prime shipping for the win
        
           | akvadrako wrote:
           | Tungsten doesn't seem especially heavy; it's a little less
           | than gold.
        
             | valbaca wrote:
             | right, just buy 1kg of gold instead
        
             | postalrat wrote:
             | And much heavier than lead.
        
             | mminer237 wrote:
             | It's not the heaviest thing in the world, but it's probably
             | the heaviest thing a person could buy a practical cube of.
             | The main metals heavier than lead are gold, iridium,
             | mercury, platinum, tungsten, and uranium.
             | 
             | Uranium is a comparable price and density to tungsten, but
             | buying iridium is gonna be at least 50x the price for
             | something 10% denser.
        
               | idiotsecant wrote:
               | Uranium at it's elemental density is a comparable price
               | to tungsten??
        
           | russellbeattie wrote:
           | I looked it up because I hadn't heard of the crypto bro
           | thing. OMG. You can apparently get them from tungsten.com for
           | only $2999 according to GQ.
           | 
           | https://www.gq.com/story/tungesten-cubes-what-is-going-on
        
           | Ekaros wrote:
           | I wish I was a millionaire. I could fulfil my wish of owning
           | replica of IPK that is small cylinder of Platinum-Iridium
           | weighting very very close to kilogram.
        
       | tyingq wrote:
       | On the other end of the spectrum is lightweight, but bulky stuff.
       | I sold things like this for a time, some time ago. Would get a
       | fair amount of grief from customers who would use the simpler
       | UPS/Fedex calculators on the weight only and complain that I
       | padding shipping prices. But UPS and Fedex charge "dimensional
       | weight" for these types of shipments, and you have to use a more
       | complicated formula.
        
       | bombcar wrote:
       | The flat rate envelope used to be a bit cheaper than that small
       | box - and the small box fits inside the envelope with a bit of
       | work - no tape!
        
         | TMWNN wrote:
         | The USPS 1096L box
         | (<https://store.usps.com/store/product/shipping-
         | supplies/prior...>) fits perfectly inside the USPS padded flat
         | rate envelope (<https://store.usps.com/store/product/shipping-
         | supplies/prior...>). Great for giving an item slightly more
         | protection.
        
       | TheJoeMan wrote:
       | I once purchased lead weights online, and they came packed
       | tessellated in a flat rate box. Shipper definitely got their
       | money's worth.
        
         | radicality wrote:
         | Out of curiosity, what kind of weights were they? I was under
         | the impression that it has been phased out of many uses because
         | of high toxicity (including via skin absorption when handling
         | it)
        
           | AceyMan wrote:
           | I'm a tennis racquet tech (side gig) and we use spools of Pb
           | tape for weight and balance tuning of frames. It's uncoated,
           | so following installation I (a) scrub my hands down with a
           | brush and dish detergent and (b) shellac the tape where it is
           | on the customer frame with two coats of clear nail polish.
           | 
           | They make rubber adhesive strips with four or five wee bits
           | of tungsten in them, but they are too expensive for general
           | use, nor do they offer the precision you get from a
           | continuous length of lead tape. They are also too thick to
           | install on the handle pallet under the grip, which is no
           | problem with lead tape since it's about 0.3 mm thick (rough
           | guess, I haven't actually mic'ed it).
        
           | walrus01 wrote:
           | people buy bulk lead for sailboat keels and such all the
           | time, you just have to handle it properly.
        
           | aix1 wrote:
           | Lead weights continue to be widely used in diving:
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diving_weighting_system
           | (there's a section on materials and toxicity).
        
             | halfdan wrote:
             | They are, but as a diver I will never touch them unless
             | they look in proper shape and are the types wrapped in some
             | other material. Some fishy dive centers will have the old
             | style raw lead blocks..
        
               | kevin_thibedeau wrote:
               | You breath TEL whenever you go near an airport. That's a
               | far more pressing concern than incidental exposure
               | through contact. If that's your threshold you may as well
               | isolate from zinc and copper too.
        
               | postalrat wrote:
               | Your risking your live going under water but are afraid
               | of some lead?
        
           | travisporter wrote:
           | Exactly what I was thinking. Bet they're iron, about 70% less
           | dense and a good supplement for your blood cells. https://www
           | .wolframalpha.com/input?i=densiy+of+iron%2Fdensit...
        
           | Doxin wrote:
           | Does lead actually absorb through the skin? I always heard
           | the main pathway was getting lead dust on your hands and then
           | eating/inhaling that.
        
       | a9h74j wrote:
       | On Earth.
        
         | Hamcha wrote:
         | Depends how you measure it. Any X kg/lbs of matter here on
         | earth is still that same X kg/lbs everywhere in the universe.
         | Assuming the scale being used to weight is correctly calibrated
         | to whatever planet it's in, it would still show up as the same
         | amount of kg/lbs.
        
           | grog454 wrote:
           | "a teaspoon of neutron star material would weigh around a
           | billion tonnes."
           | 
           | https://astronomy.swin.edu.au/cosmos/n/neutron+star#:~:text=.
           | ...
        
             | droopyEyelids wrote:
             | It would be impossible to put neutron star material inside
             | a cardboard box, and the original post was talking about
             | possibility.
        
               | ben_w wrote:
               | If I remember right, given that free neutrons aren't
               | stable and have a very short half life, it would be
               | explosively unwise even if it was physically possible.
        
           | tialaramex wrote:
           | This is why simple balances are such a brilliant idea despite
           | their simplicity. You don't need to calibrate to the local
           | conditions, if I have a 250g mass on one side, and I put
           | something on the other side and it balances, that's 250
           | grams, done. Only the (often provided with the balance)
           | prototype masses need to be calibrated and that can be done
           | by experts far from your local environment.
           | 
           | Until as recently as 2019 this approach - using a prototype -
           | was the only extant mass definition, the prototype kilogram
           | lived at a specialised laboratory and its clones were used
           | around the world to define mass (yes including the pound if
           | you're an American).
           | 
           | [ Today instead the Planck constant is defined to be exactly
           | 6.62607015x10^-34 kg x m^2 per second and it's possible to
           | build devices such as a Kibble balance to estimate what the
           | kilogram is from knowing this definition, the better your
           | Kibble balance the better the estimate ]
        
           | a9h74j wrote:
           | Depends upon what you set out to measure. _lbs_ is
           | specifically a unit of force. _kg_ is specifically a unit of
           | mass. It is a category error to equate these as measures,
           | although (in many places) an everyday convention to do so _on
           | Earth_.
           | 
           | IIRC the English unit for mass is the _slug_. If the tecnical
           | limit is 70lbs or so, that is must technically be read as
           | _lbs force_ -- aka force of gravity which varies with
           | location.
        
             | jrochkind1 wrote:
             | you could really take USPS for a ride by shipping something
             | to Venus!
        
             | zmgsabst wrote:
             | Wikipedia lists it as a unit of mass -- as defined by the
             | amount that exerts a certain force.
             | 
             | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_(mass)
             | 
             | The pound unit of force is abbreviated 'lbf'.
             | 
             | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_(force)
        
             | rzzzt wrote:
             | Kilopond or kilogram-force is the force with which a 1 kg
             | object is pushing on its base:
             | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilogram-force
        
           | midasuni wrote:
           | I assume they were saying
           | 
           | Densest material _on earth_
           | 
           | There are denser materials, but you would struggle to send
           | them via UPS
        
       | Blackthorn wrote:
       | That said, it sure wasn't fun for the mail person when they had
       | to deliver me those two boxes of lead ingots.
        
         | jotm wrote:
         | I got a pair of dumbbells once (30KG total) that were very
         | efficiently packed in one small box and felt kinda bad about
         | the guy
        
           | mikestew wrote:
           | I'll raise you a 114lb/52Kg battery (not USPS, though; FedEx,
           | IIRC):
           | 
           | https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00RPOI7F4/
           | 
           | I, too, felt bad for the guy until I saw him toss it on his
           | shoulder like it was nothing, carried to the garage and
           | gently set it down. Not a big guy, either. :-)
        
             | athenot wrote:
             | The UPS person who delivered my full size punching bag was
             | not super thrilled. 100 lbs and 150cm tall odd shape. I
             | wish I was there when delivery happened as I was prepared
             | to tip them for the inconvenience.
        
         | postalrat wrote:
         | I ordered a couple 70 pound blocks of tungsten. They were each
         | double boxed and still somehow managed to slip through the
         | first box. Might have been both amusing and annoying to handle
         | those boxes.
        
         | leviathant wrote:
         | Not part of the USPS small box story, but I ordered a bundle of
         | steel plates that unfortunately fit through our mail slot on
         | our front door, and absolutely destroyed the ceramic tile floor
         | when the delivery person dropped them through that slot.
        
       | ortusdux wrote:
       | I have a 115lb shipment of small metal parts that needs to be
       | across the country before Wed. Both FedEx and UPS quoted me ~$750
       | to ship it in a 12"x8"x8" OSB box via 2-day shipping. Fedex one
       | rate boxes have a weight limit of 50lbs. The small boxes are
       | $31/ea to ship. I just finished breaking the shipment up into 3
       | parts. Heck, next day would be ~$300.
        
         | jeffbee wrote:
         | Negotiated FedEx and UPS rates are often 90% off the retail
         | price or better. If you can get the box sent from a shipper
         | that has a daily pickup from UPS and reimburse them, you may
         | save a great deal of money.
        
         | BenjiWiebe wrote:
         | Check UPS's new flat rate options for this. They call it
         | "Simple Rate".
        
         | treeman79 wrote:
         | https://www.deseret.com/2014/11/24/20553427/legend-of-vernal...
         | 
         | One guy mailed a bank. One brick at a time.
        
       | PaulHoule wrote:
       | A laser fusion system can compress materials to a density higher
       | than Osmium but it doesn't stay that dense for very long.
        
         | macksd wrote:
         | Not the hardest part about fitting it into the box.
        
       | AdamJacobMuller wrote:
       | "for those of you who have seen those firsthand"
       | 
       | I feel old.
        
       | deepspace wrote:
       | Since I discovered the availability of anvils on Amazon, I have
       | always wondered about the economics of shipping them.
       | 
       | Right now, I can order a 66lb "Happybuy" anvil for $153 with free
       | prime shipping. One assumes that the $153 includes the cost of
       | shipping it all the way from China in the first place.
       | 
       | For comparison, a similarly sized anvil from a reputable local
       | dealer costs $949 plus tax and shipping at the lowest rate (UPS
       | standard) is $93.
        
       | nkurz wrote:
       | While the tweet is correct ("It is physically impossible to
       | exceed the 70-pound domestic weight limit for a small flat rate
       | box") the shortened title here which omits the word "small" is
       | very misleading. The USPS offers a variety of sizes of flat rate
       | boxes (https://www.usps.com/ship/priority-mail.htm#flatrate), all
       | of which have the same 70 lb weight limit. It's only the "small"
       | that cannot be overweight. The two mediums and the large can
       | exceed the limit with dense contents. Perhaps the title could be
       | changed to omit "physical" and add back "small"?
        
         | PainfullyNormal wrote:
        
         | dang wrote:
         | Ok, we've removed the (redundant, I suppose) word 'physically'
         | and squeezed in 'small' in the title above.
        
       | mc4ndr3 wrote:
       | Don't forget the packing peanuts. About a ton per cubic
       | centimeter of product.
        
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