[HN Gopher] Evolution is not a tree of life but a fuzzy network
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       Evolution is not a tree of life but a fuzzy network
        
       Author : ALee
       Score  : 41 points
       Date   : 2022-04-24 17:30 UTC (5 hours ago)
        
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       | MathMonkeyMan wrote:
       | It's certainly a tree of individuals, though with single-celled
       | division even that is not clear.
       | 
       | Things get tricky when you talk about species, because species
       | are (arbitrary?) equivalency classes of individuals.
        
         | Tagbert wrote:
         | Species are approximations that can be useful to discuss
         | populations but they are very fuzzy at the edges. There is not
         | single definition of species that applies in all cases. In that
         | sense they are somewhat arbitrary but terms can be arbitrary
         | and useful at the same time.
        
       | Flankk wrote:
       | Darwin believed that each successive generation of a species had
       | increasing mutations leading to a gradual divergence. Another
       | school of thought believes that a species remains at equilibrium
       | until some environmental stressor activates a rapid divergence.
       | If this "punctuated equilibrium" is true, climate change will
       | give rise to many new species, as would all mass extinctions.
        
         | seandhuine wrote:
         | What Darwin knew about biology is incommensurate with a modern
         | understanding of the word "mutation". A generation later than
         | him, biologists still believed cells were formless blobs of
         | jelly, so to speak. Punctuated equilibrium is even less
         | defensible given our present understanding of the molecular
         | basis of genetics.
        
       | oldgradstudent wrote:
       | I've always said it's not the _Tree of Life_ , but rather the
       | _DAG of Life_.
        
         | User23 wrote:
         | It may not even be acyclic. For example it appears fetal DNA is
         | permanently detectable in mothers and may even have health
         | benefits that conceivably increase the mother's evolutionary
         | fitness.
        
           | westurner wrote:
           | How can it be acyclic? A phylogenetic tree is a DAG.
           | Organisms sharing DNA? That's definitely a cyclic graph.
           | 
           | If there were Schema.org/Animal and/or schema:AnimalInstance
           | classes, what do you list under a :breed property to indicate
           | that e.g. one parent is breed X and another is breed Y?!
           | That's definitely not a DAG; that looks like a feature
           | clustering dendrogram.
           | 
           | DNA barcoding > Mismatches between conventional
           | (morphological) and barcode based identification https://en.w
           | ikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_barcoding#Mismatches_betwe...
           | 
           | Taxonomy (biology)
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxonomy_(biology)
           | 
           | FWIU, there's at least one DNA-based organism naming system;
           | IDK how much that helps resolve :Animal and :AnimalInstance
           | if at all?
        
           | jfarmer wrote:
           | The hypergraph of life?
        
         | agumonkey wrote:
         | I'd go full mad and say the space continuum of life. Context is
         | what drives life. Similar context breed similar forces and
         | genes.
        
           | Swizec wrote:
           | > Similar context breed similar forces and genes
           | 
           | Flight is so useful, it evolved 4 times independently. With
           | very similar solutions.
           | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_and_gliding_animals
           | 
           | And crustaceans keep evolving into crabs.
           | https://www.popsci.com/story/animals/why-everything-
           | becomes-...
           | 
           | And who even knows how many different times high level
           | intelligence has evolved. I think octopi, birds, and mammals
           | are all good examples of separate intelligence tracks with
           | similar results.
        
       | peter303 wrote:
       | 5% - 8% of human genome appears to be from [retro]virus inserts.
       | Thats outside the tree of descent.
        
       | LB232323 wrote:
       | Evolutionary biology is sincerely beautiful, the biological
       | history of our species is a meta-history to human history.
       | 
       | On a grander scale, the biological history of life itself weaves
       | the career of the human race into a context of profound
       | interconnectivity.
       | 
       | It's natural to contemplate your origins, the place and culture
       | you come from, your ancestors and the history of your family.
       | It's even more profound to contemplate your biological origins,
       | your ancestry into species unrecognizable from your own.
       | 
       | It really is a humbling experience to trace a path thousands and
       | even millions of years into the past. The end result is an
       | increased appreciation for the beauty of nature and for the
       | inseparable unity of the human race.
        
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