[HN Gopher] Good genes are nice, but joy is better
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       Good genes are nice, but joy is better
        
       Author : teleforce
       Score  : 172 points
       Date   : 2022-04-24 06:51 UTC (1 days ago)
        
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       | thenerdhead wrote:
       | I've always believed that Democritus(the laughing philosopher)
       | was onto something with his work "On Cheerfulness" that inspired
       | many stoics like Seneca to pass on the idea of enlightened
       | hedonism.
       | 
       | While loneliness is a factor that is getting worse each year and
       | the stats seem to also prove it, I do believe that the idea
       | Democritus provides for "moderation of everything" is the key.
       | This sense of relatedness and having a strong sense of
       | community/relationships still needs to not fall to either
       | extreme.
       | 
       | Seneca for example outlined a few things on-top of this work in
       | "On the tranquility of the mind / on peace of mind" for living a
       | good life:
       | 
       | 1. Attitude is everything.
       | 
       | 2. Don't compare yourself to others, only yourself.
       | 
       | 3. Love and be loved.
       | 
       | 4. Do not harm others.
       | 
       | 5. Cherish the present.
       | 
       | That the right treatment is to follow nature, find the right
       | balance between sociability and solitude, labour and leisure,
       | sobriety and intoxication, and to "watch over our vacillating
       | mind with intense and unremitting care".
       | 
       | https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/democritus/
       | 
       | https://medium.com/@s.sekulins/a-guide-to-happiness-senecas-...
        
         | chrisweekly wrote:
         | +1 Insightful
         | 
         | But your opening sentence would be much more effective with a
         | bit of rewording; "inspired many stoics like Seneca to pass on
         | the idea" is hard to parse, and fatally ambiguous. Did Seneca
         | "pass [the idea] on" (ie, propogate / endorse it), or did he
         | "[take a] pass on it" (ie, reject it). Later context makes it
         | clear you meant the former. Anyway thanks for the links, HTH!
        
         | tester756 wrote:
         | >2. Don't compare yourself to others, only yourself.
         | 
         | Can "stealing"/learning from other people be considered as a
         | "comparing" to them?
         | 
         | Because before you apply their approach, then you have to
         | 
         | a) find that they're doing it
         | 
         | b) realize that you aren't
         | 
         | Thus you kinda indirectly compared yourself to them
        
           | rowanG077 wrote:
           | No? I'm not sure what drove you towards that question.
           | Stealing and comparing are unrelated I'd say.
        
             | tester756 wrote:
             | I reworded it, should be better now
        
           | gffrd wrote:
           | I read the OP's "compare" as the judgement-filled comparison,
           | where one measures their self-worth based on where others are
           | at relative to themselves / relies on external yardsticks for
           | definition of identity.
           | 
           | The compare you're talking about--seeking excellent people
           | (internally defined) and wanting to learn from them (without
           | judgement)--is an extremely important thing.
        
           | bena wrote:
           | I think it's more along the lines of material goods or things
           | like "success" or what have you.
           | 
           | It's an adage that's been repeated over and over in many
           | ways: "Comparison is the thief of joy".
           | 
           | For some people, it's not enough that they have something
           | good, they must have something better than someone else.
           | "What good is my iPhone 12 if you have an iPhone 13? Why
           | don't I have an iPhone 13?" And so on.
           | 
           | But. Last year, they didn't even have a phone. So they're
           | better off, yeah?
        
       | smm11 wrote:
       | There was some study that looked at this isolated community that
       | did not have the greatest diet, yet they lived very long lives
       | and disease was nearly non-existent. What they had was community.
        
         | jacinda wrote:
         | I think you may be referring to the Roseto effect.
         | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roseto_effect
         | 
         | This community had unusually low rates of heart disease despite
         | a large range of traditional risk factors. The general
         | consensus was that this was due to the community-oriented
         | nature of the town. Later they did follow-ups and found that as
         | the town became more stereotypically "American" the mortality
         | rates due to heart disease increased, especially among younger
         | men.
         | 
         | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1695733/
        
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       | waterhouse wrote:
       | Comments:
       | 
       | 1. To the title: I'm confident there are good genes that cause
       | joy. I'm _certain_ there are bad genes that cause anti-joy.
       | 
       | 2. The actual article talks about relationships with people, and
       | not about happiness per se. (For example, what about a hermit who
       | constantly derives joy from listening to classical music?) Bad
       | title.
       | 
       | 3. Most of what is stated is a correlation, and it seems there
       | are obvious alternative explanations, such as the opposite-
       | direction causality: if your health problems get bad enough, that
       | may interfere with your relationships. For example: "Part of a
       | study found that people who had happy marriages in their 80s
       | reported that their moods didn't suffer even on the days when
       | they had more physical pain. Those who had unhappy marriages felt
       | both more emotional and physical pain." Maybe those who feel
       | worse physical pain are more likely to snap at their spouse,
       | and/or less likely to do the things that make their spouse feel
       | loved.
       | 
       | I mean, it's _plausible_ that the thesis is correct, but the
       | article seems to overstate the certainty of the evidence.
        
         | circlefavshape wrote:
         | > For example, what about a hermit who constantly derives joy
         | from listening to classical music?
         | 
         | Something you just cooked up out of your imagination is not a
         | real counter-example
        
           | musicale wrote:
           | A plausible hypothetical counterexample is sufficient in this
           | case to demonstrate logical incompleteness.
        
           | waterhouse wrote:
           | Fine, how about someone who has little or no social life but
           | derives joy from playing video games and other solitary
           | pursuits, and also gets enough exercise (or at least as much
           | as the average person who has good relationships)? I suspect
           | there are some people on this forum who are like that, and
           | more people who might become that if they thought it was the
           | right idea.
           | 
           | Edit: The point is that the title implies that you'd get the
           | significant health benefits just by experiencing joy, but the
           | article says that you need good social relationships, so, if
           | we believed the article, the title would misdirect people.
        
             | jimbokun wrote:
             | Do you have a long term longitudinal study of many
             | individuals backing up your claims, like this study does
             | for claims about the importance of relationships to long
             | term health?
        
               | waterhouse wrote:
               | What claims am I making? The article is the one that's
               | claiming causation. I've merely said that its evidence is
               | insufficient, and also that the title misstates the
               | claims made in the article. The point of mentioning
               | "those who get solitary joy with no social life" is that
               | the title says this is good, but the article says it's
               | not good--and therefore, even if we believed the
               | conclusions the article tries to draw, the title gives
               | bad advice.
        
             | SapporoChris wrote:
             | Social needs vary among people. It's easy to see the
             | benefits of good social relationships. However, I think
             | people with lower social needs, smaller to non-existent
             | social relationships aren't suffering.
        
             | abirch wrote:
             | Most of my gamer friends, game with real people. Not sure
             | if there are statistics on this or not.
             | 
             | For what it's worth this is a correlation study and not
             | causal. I'm sure there are some loners out there that are
             | very happy, but when I've had turbulent times in my life,
             | it was my friends who helped me.
        
           | erdos4d wrote:
           | You've never met my uncle I see.
        
         | fionaellie wrote:
         | Even more obvious: Good relationships provide for a higher
         | level of care and support. When health trouble arises, a
         | devoted partner's presence (to identify issues and encourage
         | action), care (when self-care isn't possible), and advocacy
         | (within our challenging healthcare system) can make all the
         | difference in the world.
        
         | giantg2 wrote:
         | On number 1, there seems to be some evidence that people with
         | higher IQs are less likely to be happy.
        
           | waterhouse wrote:
           | There is reason to expect that with today's educational
           | practices; the effect, funnily enough, does manifest partly
           | through social relationships:
           | https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ746290.pdf
           | 
           | > A 20-year longitudinal study has traced the academic,
           | social, and emotional development of 60 young Australians
           | with IQs of 160 and above. Significant differences have been
           | noted in the young people's educational status and direction,
           | life satisfaction, social relationships, and self-esteem as a
           | function of the degree of academic acceleration their schools
           | permitted them in childhood and adolescence.
           | 
           | > The considerable majority of young people who have been
           | radically accelerated [skipped 3+ years of K-12], or who
           | accelerated by 2 years, report high degrees of life
           | satisfaction, have taken research degrees at leading
           | universities, have professional careers, and report
           | facilitative social and love relationships. Young people of
           | equal abilities who accelerated by only 1 year or who have
           | not been permitted acceleration have tended to enter less
           | academically rigorous college courses, report lower levels of
           | life satisfaction, and in many cases, experience significant
           | difficulties with socialization.
           | 
           | > I believe that all the young people in this study would
           | have benefited greatly, both academically and socially, from
           | grade advancement, while the considerable majority would have
           | benefited from radical acceleration. Sadly, only 17 were
           | radically accelerated, and indeed, the majority (33 of the
           | 60) were retained with age peers for the duration of their
           | schooling.
           | 
           | > Several of the nonaccelerands have serious and ongoing
           | problems with social relationships. These young people find
           | it very difficult to sustain friendships because having been,
           | to a large extent, socially isolated at school, they have had
           | much less practice in their formative years in developing and
           | maintaining social relationships. Six have had counseling. Of
           | these, two have been treated for severe depression.
        
             | AlanYx wrote:
             | That's a fascinating paper -- thanks for sharing it.
        
         | bpodgursky wrote:
         | Yes, it is blindingly obvious that people are born with
         | different happiness set-points, and this is primarily genetic,
         | if you look at families.
         | 
         | Circumstances and life adjust this up and down... but some
         | people are just innately happy and other people are innately
         | unhappy, and adjust to their set-point quickly after a life
         | change.
        
           | circlefavshape wrote:
           | There's plenty of research about events (e.g. unemployment or
           | bereavement) affecting people's happiness long-term if you
           | care to look
        
             | dymk wrote:
             | There's plenty of research counter to that, showing that
             | regardless of negative or positive events happening in
             | one's life, people tend back towards the same happiness
             | they were at after a few years.
        
               | circlefavshape wrote:
               | I wouldn't say it "counters" it, rather it very much
               | depends on the events and/or circumstances. Winning the
               | lottery won't make you happy. Losing your job and failing
               | to get another one will probably make you sad. Traumatic
               | events can be very hard to get over.
               | 
               | Funny enough the only example I've found of an "event"
               | having a long term _positive_ effect is cosmetic surgery
        
           | oneoff786 wrote:
           | So if you see a person unhappy in poverty it's because of
           | their genetics?
        
             | anshorei wrote:
             | I think he means the inverse: for people able to find joy
             | despite adverse circumstances.
             | 
             | More importantly, I would say, it's likely innate to us
             | that we are unhappy without adverse circumstances. I.e. for
             | there to be brightness there needs to be darkness.
        
           | showerst wrote:
           | Are we sure that is "blindingly obvious"? I think the whole
           | point of studies like this to try to tease out hints at what
           | parts of it are genetic vs circumstance vs choices.
           | 
           | FWIW I think that the genetic component of 'innately happy'
           | is quite small, as I've known relatively few dirt poor people
           | who were happy anyway, and relatively more carefree upper
           | class folks. Though of course it's possible it's still
           | genetic and just caused economic sorting higher up the tree,
           | I suppose.
        
       | Epiphany21 wrote:
       | >Some participants went on to become successful businessmen,
       | doctors, lawyers, and others ended up as schizophrenics or
       | alcoholics, but not on inevitable tracks.
       | 
       | Why was this assumption made? If the goal of the study is to
       | analyze the potential for biologically determined outcomes in
       | people's lives, doesn't this sort of undermine that foundational
       | question? Why wouldn't genetics play a role in determining
       | personality, and make some people more outgoing and willing to
       | embrace a community?
       | 
       | >Researchers who have pored through data, including vast medical
       | records and hundreds of in-person interviews and questionnaires,
       | found a strong correlation between men's flourishing lives and
       | their relationships with family, friends, and community.
       | 
       | This doesn't tell us why. Why is that the case?
       | 
       | >Taking care of your body is important, but tending to your
       | relationships is a form of self-care too.
       | 
       | Taking care of your relationships IS taking care of your body.
       | Our mind is a physical organ like the heart or lungs. Our entire
       | personalities, our thoughts, our dreams and everything that
       | comprises consciousness is just a series of abstractions built on
       | top of flesh.
       | 
       | IMO, the real lesson these researchers should've taken away from
       | this is that the mind is not separate from the rest of the body.
        
       | acheron wrote:
       | "I'd far rather be happy than right any day."
       | 
       | "And are you?"
       | 
       | "No. That's where it all falls down of course."
        
       | giantg2 wrote:
       | "The surprising finding is that our relationships and how happy
       | we are in our relationships has a powerful influence on our
       | health,"
       | 
       | Well I'm screwed. I don't take care of my body either.
        
         | citrus1330 wrote:
         | There's still time to change that.
        
       | at_a_remove wrote:
       | I am reminded of an Achewood comic [1] about a Harvard study
       | regarding love: "So maybe the next time you Harvard guys decide
       | to study some Harvard guys ... just remember that for most folks
       | the Maslow hierarchy tops out at lookin' in the bathroom mirror
       | without drawin' an X in the steam."
       | 
       | 1: http://achewood.com/index.php?date=04152016
        
         | mynameishere wrote:
         | Apropos of nothing except the comment I am responding to, I
         | just idly clicked the next comic and completely forgot that I
         | had read it already, until the last immortal line: "I wonder
         | where it will be when it dies." It's weird that Charles Schulz
         | had like 800 billion dollars and Chris Onstad is working in a
         | greasy spoon or something.
        
       | revskill wrote:
       | More concretely, to me, the most important thing in a
       | relationship is trust.
       | 
       | Trust is like Rome, we can't simply build it in 1 day, or simply
       | buy it.
       | 
       | Trust is nessessary condition for any long term relationship.
        
       | ilamont wrote:
       | I wish they would include these types of studies in Harvard's
       | curriculum and community life, where there is an outsized
       | emphasis on pedigree, test scores, and unlocking career
       | achievements.
       | 
       | There used to a dating website that advertised heavily on Boston-
       | area public radio stations called "GoodGenes" that specifically
       | restricted participation to Ivy League graduates. Facebook
       | followed a similar pattern (at first) limiting participation to
       | elite schools.
        
       | paulpauper wrote:
       | Remember when Harvard was considered to be intellectually
       | peerless. Yeah, the only thing going for it is its endowment.
       | Like others growing up, I assumed that Harvard was only for the
       | best and the brightest in the world. If you applied for Harvard
       | and didn't get in, this is what you're missing. Even the most
       | prestigious of institutions are not immune to the replication
       | crisis and hand-waving research overall.
       | 
       | Just another attempt to downplay the roles of money, social
       | status as it pertains to happiness. I am sure someone who is
       | smart, wealthy and has high social status, like Bezos or Musk, is
       | happier than the average person of their age group who has
       | neither. Being happy at 80 or 90 does not matter. I want to be
       | happy now. For for most people, that means having money and
       | professional/career status and success. Yeah, the midlife crisis
       | is a real thing, but for unsuccessful people who make no money,
       | life is a daily crisis if you're poor.
        
         | cinntaile wrote:
         | Why are you drawing all kinds of conclusions regarding Harvard
         | the institution based on you disliking this study?
        
           | paulpauper wrote:
           | cause it's their study?
        
             | cinntaile wrote:
             | You suppose a lot of things in your reasoning that you
             | don't back up with any data or references and then you use
             | this to discredit the institution based on a popular
             | science article. It doesn't really make much sense.
        
       | dash2 wrote:
       | I get so tired of seeing the same research pretending that
       | causation is correlation. At some point I just don't want to trot
       | out the same old comment. Maybe we should just accept that whole
       | swathes of social science have given up on taking causality
       | seriously.
        
       | abirch wrote:
       | I was hoping the answer was arguing with strangers on the
       | internet. That's what I seem to do and was hoping that was the
       | answer.
        
       | DoreenMichele wrote:
       | _Those ties protect people from life's discontents, help to delay
       | mental and physical decline, and are better predictors of long
       | and happy lives than social class, IQ, or even genes._
       | 
       | If you have good relationships, you have people taking care of
       | you in important ways probably every single day, whether you
       | interact with them that day or not. Over time, this adds up.
       | 
       | If you don't have that, the cost may be invisible but will
       | inevitably add up over time.
        
       | moonshinefe wrote:
       | Makes sense. The people I've seen with problem relationships have
       | more emotional issues and that's often when things like drug use
       | and bad decisions go hand in hand.
       | 
       | The good news is I have a wonderful wife who I get along with
       | really well. However, the further into my 30s I go the fewer
       | friends I seem to have. Moving to a new country and the pandemic
       | definitely didn't help. Where do people approaching middle age
       | meet friends these days? Everyone always seems to in their own
       | bubble and wants to fight about politics or other wedge issues
       | instead of just chilling for lack of a better word.
        
         | Barrin92 wrote:
         | >wants to fight about politics or other wedge issues
         | 
         | It's always so funny that this is brought up on HN as a reason
         | for lack of socialization or problem so often. One of the
         | biggest and most durable parts of my social life is being a
         | member of a political party, which I have been in since I was
         | 16 years old.
         | 
         | Being involved in civic/political life means you have
         | connections with people from all walks of life across all
         | generations and backgrounds. just wanting to chill is the
         | actual problem because I don't think these suburban soccermom
         | type social circles sustain _meaningful_ relationships.
         | Participating in public life is the most straightforward way to
         | build social relationships that matter.
         | 
         | There was another great post here a few weeks ago from someone
         | explaining why he continues to serve in the British Yeomanry.
         | https://chrisseaton.com/army/
        
           | escapedmoose wrote:
           | Right. It seems a bit odd that our goal in friendships is
           | often to find someone who will "just sit and chill." If you
           | want any diversity in your friendships, they'll likely need
           | to be made "shoulder to shoulder," ie when working toward a
           | common cause.
        
             | throwawayboise wrote:
             | Agreed, and it also seems to me that most adults, at least
             | the ones leading something like meaningful lives, don't
             | have a lot of time to "just sit and chill." When my kids
             | were young I rarely did, there was always something going
             | on. Now that they are older and out of the house, I have
             | more time for myself but I'm using that time, not just
             | sitting around (mostly not, anyway).
        
         | holoduke wrote:
         | Similar story for me. It changed once i moved out of the city
         | with kids to a residential area. Since then 3 years have passed
         | and the quality of my social life increased dramatically. Of
         | course this didn't just came around. I did put a lot of effort
         | in getting new friends. But it's certainly easier in an
         | environment where people live similar lifes.
        
         | throwawayboise wrote:
         | > Where do people approaching middle age meet friends these
         | days?
         | 
         | For me it was parents of my kids' friends, often via sports or
         | other group activities that the kids were all involved in.
         | 
         | Those friendships fade quickly once the kids grow up, by the
         | way, as there is no longer the common connection. I've made
         | some attempts to maintain these, but they generally are not
         | reciprocated and at some point you just stop with the one-sided
         | effort.
         | 
         | I have not discovered the secret to long-lasting friendships,
         | if there is one. They all seem to rely on common proximity
         | (school, work, gym, etc.) and they don't really hold up if and
         | when those things change. I have not had any friendships that
         | ever lasted very long past graduations, job changes, moves,
         | retirements, etc. I think that's basically natural, and that
         | friendships really depend on some outside set of factors that
         | keep people coming together for the same things.
        
           | moonshinefe wrote:
           | Thanks for the response. That's been kind of my experience
           | too (hard to keep them when not close / with something in
           | common). I suppose I'll need to find a new hobby at some
           | point here and meet people that way.
        
       | lordnacho wrote:
       | I'm not surprised. I'm reaching an age where I feel like I've
       | seen it all in terms of what can happen to me as a person
       | (births/deaths/big life events), as well as what can happen in
       | terms of historical events that affect people's lives (Changes of
       | leadership, wars, stuff in the news).
       | 
       | But the thing that seems most important is relationships. Being
       | able to maintain them with various people is paramount. I'm a bit
       | younger than the people in the study, and fortunate to have a
       | very international network, so maybe I rely more on technology to
       | talk to people, but I've found it's key to write to people to
       | stay in touch. In terms of day-to-day I also make an effort to do
       | a gathering now and again. It's pretty easy, I just ping some
       | people I know from various contexts and pick a place. Also in
       | terms of close relations I don't find you need to be close in
       | terms of frequent contact. Writing to someone I've known for a
       | long time without constantly connection is as familiar as having
       | the occasional meal with local friends.
       | 
       | I've also developed a kind of understanding for various
       | relationships that are a kind of "kindred spirit" relation:
       | people who exemplify some sort of archetype with whom I identify,
       | but with whom I have not spent much time. It's a sort of
       | immediate familiarity that is quite satisfying, eg when you meet
       | another programmer and you have similar experiences, or another
       | person who went to your university or comes from the same
       | country. These are often useful seeds for deeper relationships,
       | but are also good in and of themselves.
        
         | black_puppydog wrote:
         | I'm definitely not in the "seen it all" phase but I recently,
         | on a whim, got out a pen and paper and started what I thought
         | would be a quick one page letter. 8 pages later I realized the
         | act of writing was as important as the content itself. And the
         | receiving side seems to have shared the sentiment; the
         | interaction, slow and async as it was, had a depth of meaning I
         | wouldn't have anticipated. Kinda hippie dippie and all but true
         | nonetheless. :)
        
         | saiya-jin wrote:
         | Relationships are important, but this importance varies from
         | person to person. What would break one (long absence of such)
         | is a negligible detail for another. Its true that most folks
         | are wired for some form of them, but some actually thrive in
         | their absence and focus their energy easier towards their
         | goals.
         | 
         | I personally am somewhere in between. I can handle loneliness
         | remarkably well, way better than most if not all people I know
         | closely (and this allowed me to do hard very positive actions
         | in life), but that doesn't prevent me from enjoying occasional
         | family or friends reunion. But I don't thrive on them and I am
         | not sad/depressed when lacking them. I love my family just to
         | be clear and especially my parents, very little to complain
         | about.
         | 
         | For example serious adventures can fill this hole more than
         | nicely. But now my kids are doing their best and the hole is
         | overflowing a bit.
        
           | jimbokun wrote:
           | This sounds like your personal anecdotal experience at a
           | specific stage in your life, whereas the study covered many
           | people over a decades long time frame.
        
             | JackFr wrote:
             | Many wealthy, elite white men predominantly from the
             | northeast United States. (Yes I know 40 years in they
             | expanded the study to some local inner city subjects.)
        
               | jimbokun wrote:
               | Still, it's probably the best study of its kind ever
               | performed.
               | 
               | Will be interesting to see if there are differences for
               | other demographics as they continue to expand the scope
               | of the subjects. But will need to wait decades for those
               | results.
        
       | devy wrote:
       | This article was published in April 11, 2017.
       | 
       | Please add the year tag to the title.
       | 
       | Professor Scott Galloway also mentioned about this study in his
       | book "The Algebra of Happiness".
       | 
       | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMW6xgPgY4s
        
       | kgeist wrote:
       | The article implies causation, but I'm not sure in which
       | direction it goes. I can imagine that someone who is chronically
       | ill will have less energy to maintain relationships. In other
       | words, if you are healthy, you are more likely to be active in
       | life in general, including relationships.
        
       | LB232323 wrote:
       | It is really a revelation that love is what makes life
       | meaningful?
       | 
       | There is a sweet naivete to a study like this, it invites
       | compassion.
       | 
       | Analyzing happiness with this cold academic rigor is just absurd,
       | it is like a depressed species of alien studying our planet to
       | figure out why people have happy lives. "Is it genes?" the cold,
       | analytical mind ponders. It is kind of funny, yet it is tragic,
       | and so it invites a response.
       | 
       | Yes, love makes life worth living. Not just relationships, but
       | love, in its many varied forms. If you are reading this, I love
       | you. To Ivy League scientists and their objects of study, I love
       | you as well. You see, God is love, this is a simple truth found
       | in scripture. Surround yourself in love at all times, and you
       | will lead a life that is satisfying and resplendent in joy.
        
         | tasuki wrote:
         | You see, I don't believe in God at all. And I think religion is
         | generally more harmful than helpful. And yet... while the study
         | was kind of boring, and most of the comments here too, there is
         | something in your comment that touched me very much. You put a
         | smile on my face after another difficult day. Thank you.
        
         | TremendousJudge wrote:
         | >You see, God is love, this is a simple truth found in
         | scripture
         | 
         | I have read my fair share of traditional religious scripture
         | and I haven't concluded this at all from the text. I've found
         | what they call "God" to be at times a very spiteful, cruel, and
         | unloving entity. If this is what "love" means in these texts, I
         | don't want to have anything to do with it.
        
         | layer8 wrote:
         | "Love" is not a singular concept, the word refers to a whole
         | lot of different things, and it's also different from happiness
         | and longevity (what the study measured). The article also
         | doesn't mention meaningfulness. What you wrote therefore seems
         | like a non sequitur.
        
         | tasty_freeze wrote:
         | > God is love, this is a simple truth found in scripture
         | 
         | I'm not sure which scripture you are talking about. If you are
         | talking about the Abrahamic line of scripture, you can find
         | anything you want, as Shakespeare famously said. Because you
         | are apparently a good person, you focus on the positive aspects
         | of the message, and that is great.
         | 
         | But there are people who focus on different parts of the
         | scripture, or interpret the same passages in a different way,
         | that lead to injustice and suffering. The fact that there are
         | so many religious denominations reading the same documents but
         | coming to different understandings shows that this message is
         | anything but simple.
         | 
         | Famously, the Torah describes God's special relationship with
         | his chosen people. Many people love to take excerpts from this
         | as God's universal truths, but in fact these were only for the
         | Jewish people. God had no problem commanding them to commit
         | rape and genocide against out-groups. The claim that "God is
         | love" is true only if you erase large parts of that document,
         | or redefine "love" to be whatever God has commanded there.
        
         | the_common_man wrote:
         | > Yes, love makes life worth living. Not just relationships,
         | but love, in its many varied forms. If you are reading this, I
         | love you. To Ivy League scientists and their objects of study,
         | I love you as well.
         | 
         | Well, the point is, not all love is equal and some love is
         | greater than others. At that point, it's up to you to
         | prioritize accordingly since love requires energy and we all
         | have finite energy.
        
         | krisoft wrote:
         | > It is really a revelation that love is what makes life
         | meaningful?
         | 
         | It does not intends to be a revelation. A study can prove what
         | everyone always believed all along. People believe all kind of
         | things, some are true some are false. A properly designed study
         | shines a dispassionate light at facts in a way which can show
         | if the common belief was false or not.
         | 
         | > Analyzing happiness with this cold academic rigor is just
         | absurd,
         | 
         | You are entitled to think that. The history of humankind is
         | full of people being dead sure of themselves while also being
         | wrong. This is why it's worth to check our assumptions in a
         | dispassionate way. Especially the things we are sure about.
         | 
         | > it is like a depressed species of alien studying our planet
         | to figure out why people have happy lives.
         | 
         | That is your projection. One can be full of joy, happiness, and
         | love while still applying logic and dispassionate reasoning to
         | study a question.
        
         | jimbokun wrote:
         | > It is really a revelation that love is what makes life
         | meaningful?
         | 
         | Yes. The original researchers considered all kinds of things
         | that might correlate to long term health and happiness. They
         | did not consider quality of relationships as one of them.
        
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