[HN Gopher] Study for best font for online reading: no single an...
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       Study for best font for online reading: no single answer
        
       Author : JW_00000
       Score  : 156 points
       Date   : 2022-04-25 15:13 UTC (7 hours ago)
        
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       | AnthonBerg wrote:
       | For me the best font for reading online is on paper, outside, in
       | the winter, Doves Type. Or SF Pro Rounded from Apple.
       | 
       | If I can't read "online" by printing it on paper, I read on a
       | well-calibrated display that casts the same light to all viewing
       | angles, and 120Hz variable-refresh-rate. With macOS' font
       | rendering.
       | 
       | I'm sure this is a perfectly unique combination of "best".
        
         | drBonkers wrote:
         | What's your workflow for getting digital text into print?
         | 
         | Additionally, what display do you use and how do you ensure
         | it's calibrated?
        
           | AnthonBerg wrote:
           | Ha!, it hadn't occurred to me to call it a workflow - but it
           | is, I guess. Sometimes it's just hitting _Print_ in the
           | browser. Sometimes I turn on Safari's Reader view and print
           | that. For some reason, things printed on the Booklet setting
           | tend to get read sooner. ("Booklet" is a macOS printing
           | feature. It prints two pages on each sheets and orders them
           | so the pile of paper can be keel-stapled into a booklet. Some
           | printer drivers have it too, and Acrobat Reader as well I
           | believe.)
           | 
           | I try to have fonts set to those two ones I mentioned.
           | Through overrides or preferences. On occasion I've converted
           | to Markdown and applied a stylesheet. This seems to work. I
           | read a bit more. Get around to it easier. It might be the
           | ritual, it might be the result. Probably both.
           | 
           | I tend to be quite picky about monitors, though I wish I
           | wasn't. (It's a handicap, being this fussy!) The models I end
           | up buying tend to be pretty well calibrated from the factory.
           | LG IPS monitors are good. Right now I have an LG CX 55" OLED
           | TV as my programming display. It is _very good_. It's fussy
           | to set up; macOS doesn't support HDMI 2.1 so right now it
           | isn't possible to get full, crisp 4:4:4 color and 120Hz at
           | the same time. I go with 120Hz 4:2:0; Some color /background
           | combos are noticeably blurry, but the fluidity of 120Hz is
           | so, so nice. I don't agree with it or want it to be that way,
           | but it is :)
           | 
           | I want a color calibrator. Haven't got one yet. I have
           | borrowed one on occasion from a photographer friend. I find
           | that it makes a difference. There isn't a glaringly obvious
           | difference, but everything feels tighter and more relaxed at
           | the same time. Grays are more neutral, colors are more
           | vividly themselves. It's easier on the brain? Kind of like
           | putting fresh tires on a car. Or working in a quieter place.
           | It adds up.
           | 
           | Last time I looked at color calibration devices, the info
           | over at the DisplayCAL site seemed to be very good:
           | https://displaycal.net/
        
             | AnthonBerg wrote:
             | ... and I have an HP m254dw color laser printer that can
             | print on both sides of the paper. It's been worth it! I
             | read WAY more after buying it.
             | 
             | And, heh, I feel obliged to mention the long-arm stapler
             | too. I have a Zenith 502 long-arm stapler. It can easily
             | keel-staple folded A4 or Letter paper. And it's a really
             | good stapler. Staples everything, first try, also really
             | thick bundles of paper. It's funny how big a difference a
             | silly thing like a particular staper makes. They're made
             | for a reason! Here's the Zenith 502 CUCITRICI DA TAVOLO:
             | https://www.zenith.it/prodotti/cucitrici-da-
             | tavolo/zenith-50...
             | 
             | (Cucitrici - stapler - means "seamstress-er". Haha.)
        
       | gnicholas wrote:
       | Very interesting takeaways regarding different results among old
       | and young:
       | 
       | > _The takeaway is that, if your designers are younger than 35
       | years but many of your users are older than 35, then you can't
       | expect that the fonts that are the best for the designers will
       | also be best for the users._
       | 
       | > _the differences in reading speed between the different fonts
       | weren't very big for the young users. Sure, some fonts were
       | better, but they weren't much better. On the other hand, there
       | were dramatic differences between the fastest font for older
       | users (Garamond) and their slowest font (Open Sans). In other
       | words, picking the wrong font penalizes older users more than
       | young ones._
        
         | ChristianGeek wrote:
         | There was also the suggestion near the end to cut the number of
         | words for older readers, which is just ridiculous.
        
           | gnicholas wrote:
           | I work in the world of dyslexia and assistive technology. I
           | find it unfortunate that people (including folks who work on
           | WCAG) emphasize using simple words and short sentences as the
           | primary ways to accommodate dyslexic readers. These
           | strategies are helpful in making text easier to understand,
           | but they also undermine the nuance of communication. Before
           | doing this, designers should think about how text is laid out
           | so that it can be made maximally accessible in its original
           | form.
        
       | cheese_van wrote:
       | I do have font preferences but my greater preference is
       | background color. I've found that hex color #FEF0DF as a
       | background tires me less. For reference, it's roughly the
       | Financial Times background.
       | 
       | Calibre allowing me to set the background color to my preference
       | is a godsend for a heavy reader. HN's background is pretty good
       | also. Anyone know the hex?
        
         | jaredwiener wrote:
         | #f6f6ef -- right in the HTML
        
           | ARandomerDude wrote:
           | I think the parent was saying "I like a color somewhat
           | similar to FT's background," not "I wish I could have FT's
           | background color but I can't figure out how to get it."
        
             | Wowfunhappy wrote:
             | GGP explicitly asked for the HN background color at the end
             | of his comment.
        
         | Sunspark wrote:
         | HN's background is too light. Try #EDD1B0 instead (R 237 G 209
         | B 176).
        
         | layer8 wrote:
         | > I do have font preferences but my greater preference is
         | background color.
         | 
         | Same here, I always want #000 on #FFF, so that I can take full
         | advantage of my display's contrast ratio.
        
       | pvinis wrote:
       | Did we need a study for this?
       | 
       | Next study: "Study for best colorscheme for coding: no single
       | answer"..
       | 
       | Kidding aside, it makes sense. No best option, just options
       | optimized for different things.
        
         | humanistbot wrote:
         | Do you just hate scientific research or something?
        
           | pvinis wrote:
           | on the contrary, I think it's great. But I don't think it's
           | beneficial for anyone when it's phrased as "looking for the
           | best X", especially on things that are obviously not going to
           | have a "best" thing, like fonts. Tradeoffs everywhere.
           | 
           | Don't you think a title like "A comparison of fonts for
           | online reading" or something would be more fitting?
        
       | ad8e wrote:
       | Big warning: their summary is "Among high-legibility fonts, a
       | study found 35% difference in reading speeds between the best and
       | the worst."
       | 
       | This is completely wrong and comes from an abuse of statistics.
       | See the original research at
       | https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3502222#d1e6428
       | 
       | An understandable explanation: imagine having 5 dice. You roll
       | each die 4 times, then compare the highest sum to the lowest sum.
       | Then you report that the highest die rolls 35% higher than the
       | lowest. This is what the authors did, with each die being a font.
       | But the experiment does not actually show evidence of any
       | difference. If you rolled 500 dice, this method could claim that
       | the highest dice are 200% higher than the lowest, even though all
       | dice are still equal.
       | 
       | The original authors seem aware of this shortcoming, but did it
       | anyway: "we are somewhat stretching the applicability of a
       | Cohen's d analysis for this data". This is likely because they
       | did not know of a better method. But it is wrong to be pushing
       | this analysis. The main author is from industry, so perhaps he
       | was unaware that this effect can be corrected for, or that this
       | type of misleading claim is malpractice. But someone in the chain
       | of publishing - the journal editors, the reviewers, the large
       | author list, or Jakob Nielsen who is promoting this - should have
       | caught this. It is their main result!
       | 
       | In the absence of legitimate statistics, the article's
       | circumstances point to a failure to detect measurable differences
       | between fonts. There are two ways fonts may be better than each
       | other:
       | 
       | 1. across the population, so that one font is better for everyone
       | 
       | 2. personalized, so that different fonts are better for different
       | people
       | 
       | The first case should be easily detectable, and the second case
       | should see some correlation between preference and speed because
       | of a familiarity bias
       | (https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3502222#d1e7351). These are the
       | Bayesian expectations I walked in with. Neither of these appear
       | supported by the article, although I have only skimmed it.
       | 
       | To be clear, the experiment does not give evidence that fonts
       | perform equally either. It looks more likely that the experiment
       | design failed.
        
         | wolverine876 wrote:
         | Reading the article, what valuable things can we learn?
         | Imperfection exists in everything in the universe - even the
         | ideas in our minds we sometimes imagine to be ideal and
         | perfect, but they turn imperfect as soon as we write them down
         | (this cursed keyboard!). Imperfection does not destroy all
         | value, or we live caves and aren't communicating using an
         | imperfect alphabet and language, over imperfect signals, using
         | imperfect power, etc etc. (in fact, we would be dead in the
         | caves). Reading and learning from imperfection is the defintion
         | of 'reading and learning', because there's nothing else to
         | read.
         | 
         | If I listened to HN comments, very little research would have
         | value, very little information would be worth reading. The top
         | comment is almost always of this nature; it's depressing to me
         | that it gets so many upvotes, still, after we have so much
         | experience on social media.
         | 
         | > I have only skimmed it [the OP].
         | 
         | Maybe that should be at the top of the comment. Imagine an OP
         | which presented a detailed analysis and then, at the bottom,
         | said 'I only skimmed the thing I analyzed' - imagine what the
         | top comment would say.
        
       | zwieback wrote:
       | Never really thought about it before reading this article but I
       | think I prefer different fonts for different content: strong
       | preference for clean sans-serif mono fonts for coding, something
       | like Arial for general purpose content and something old
       | fashioned with serifs for literature/artsy content.
        
       | Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote:
       | This is like that Malcolm Gladwell story about the best spaghetti
       | sauce. There is no one size fits all - different people like
       | different things.
       | 
       | https://www.ted.com/talks/malcolm_gladwell_choice_happiness_...
        
         | redmen wrote:
         | I find it amazing that people ever think that there might be a
         | one-size-fits-all solution to a subjective human experience.
         | 
         | Spaghetti Sauce, Fonts.
         | 
         | Sure no one likes dog crap in their sauce, so there are obvious
         | experiences no one likes, but to assume that there is one
         | single one that everyone likes?
         | 
         | Sometimes we get so nearsighted that by reframing the question
         | it seems obvious.
        
           | wolverine876 wrote:
           | Who says there is one thing everyone likes best? (The OP says
           | the opposite.)
        
           | cupofpython wrote:
           | We cant even agree on which water is best
        
             | brewdad wrote:
             | Water? You mean like in the toilet? What for?
        
         | iforgotpassword wrote:
         | It's probably about the font just being well designed, having
         | consistent kerning ans whatnot.
         | 
         | Same as with design guidelines. Every couple years something
         | new comes along and is better than anything before.
         | 
         | We had an intern a few years ago who was still working on his
         | masters and also made some money on the side with "web stuff".
         | He wouldn't stop talking about material design, how it is the
         | best ever and how every margin and padding is scientifically
         | proven to be perfect to the pixel, the blue they picked is
         | perfection, how rounded corners and 3D effects on buttons are
         | fatiguing to the eye, and so on and so on. I guess it was the
         | first time this fellow consciously witnessed the release of a
         | web design framework. It was near impossible to convince him
         | that using bootstrap is just as good, and while certain rules
         | for ratios between paddings, margins and font sizes exist it's
         | much more important your theme is consistent, and that you
         | apply it consistently.
        
       | slowhand09 wrote:
       | Came here to say "duhhh..." but the article is actually
       | interesting, especially to those early web usability followers of
       | Jacob Nielsen (https://www.nngroup.com/articles/author/jakob-
       | nielsen/)
        
       | Sunspark wrote:
       | The answer to this question depends on the resolution of the
       | display, the weight of the font, and a person's idiosyncrasies--
       | e.g. nearsightedness.
       | 
       | I use a different font for online reading, coding and reading
       | ebook on high-resolution phone display.
       | 
       | All 3 are different, and are different sizes and weights.. the
       | purpose is different.
       | 
       | You know what really helps?
       | 
       | Don't have white as a background. I die now without the Dark
       | Reader browser extension.
        
         | layer8 wrote:
         | > Don't have white as a background.
         | 
         | That reduces contrast, which makes text harder to read for me.
         | Today's prevalent IPS displays have a rather low contrast ratio
         | (typically only 1:1000). Please don't lower it further by
         | styling text as dark gray on light gray. If black on white
         | looks too bright, you probably have set your screen brightness
         | too high.
        
         | [deleted]
        
         | simion314 wrote:
         | >Don't have white as a background.
         | 
         | I would say that more important is to check your cool design in
         | a normal screen and not on your super expensive designer
         | monitor. Too often I see light gray text on light background,
         | probably is only readable on the designer screen.
        
       | brimble wrote:
       | One of the worst things to happen to web usability was the shift
       | away from the user deciding how pages look. In an ideal world the
       | Web ecosystem would have grown up such that nearly all pages
       | respect user configured font and color choices. Then, it wouldn't
       | much matter which font the page creator decided was best, since
       | the user's browser would automatically override it.
        
         | Andrew_nenakhov wrote:
         | Every time i need to read some text longer than a few lines, I
         | run Firefox Reader mode. It is great.
        
         | jeffbee wrote:
         | Yeah the web was much more usable when you could change it with
         | some simple and intuitive edits to .Xresources.
        
           | brimble wrote:
           | Yet theming with exactly two options (light/dark) is quite
           | popular.
           | 
           | It was a UX problem, not a problem with the core concept.
           | 
           |  _Now_ , decades in to The Web, it's also a chicken/egg
           | problem, because almost no sites are designed to behave OK
           | under reasonable customization by the user, and almost no
           | users customize their browsers' default styles, so why would
           | sites change to accommodate that? Aside from the light/dark
           | thing, of course, and you _do_ see users pushing for support
           | for that, and sites putting in effort to support it.
           | 
           | If Apple expands Dark Mode to include a half-dozen other
           | options for a11y and such, I bet you'd see support for those
           | become fairly common. It's just got to have a decent UI and
           | the push has to come from a browser with a large enough user-
           | base to encourage site operators to care. Once upon a time,
           | Firefox could likely have done it, assuming they could manage
           | not to screw it up. These days, Apple, Google, and MS are the
           | only ones who could realistically try.
           | 
           | Actually, we have another version of this, now that I think
           | about it: reader mode. People seem to really like it.
        
         | pitaj wrote:
         | This died mostly because the defaults were so terrible.
        
           | new_stranger wrote:
           | This died because convention > configuration
           | 
           | Most users do not want to configure fonts or anything really
           | to use the web.
        
             | cupofpython wrote:
             | I think it is deeper than personal want. i have a feeling
             | that the more people communicate to each other about
             | something, the more they value their personal experience to
             | be relatable. Every customization makes your experience
             | less relatable.
        
             | brimble wrote:
             | This could have ended up as a few simplified settings, as
             | presented to most users... as we have with light and dark
             | modes. Colorblind themes (for multiple kinds of
             | colorblindness, say), high-readability themes for people
             | who need the large-print editions of books, that kind of
             | thing. Doesn't have to mean making everyone pick exact
             | point values for every type of H tag, or whatever. A few
             | presets in a dropdown could be really helpful--again, just
             | look how everyone goes nuts over something as simple as
             | having a "dark mode" setting.
        
           | emzo wrote:
           | This died when the web became mostly a marketing tool for
           | businesses. It's a shame, but inevitable.
        
           | munk-a wrote:
           | I think it also died because styling could so easily destroy
           | legibility. If text display areas were specifically designed
           | with some fancy script like Helvetica in mind and I preferred
           | Courier New the UI (if poorly designed) would often just
           | break whole-sale.
        
         | leephillips wrote:
         | But all browsers can already do this. Most people don't enable
         | that setting, however. Could either be because they prefer to
         | see the site as it's intended to look, or because they're
         | unaware of the setting.
        
           | brimble wrote:
           | That's because it's buried (and has been increasingly so over
           | the decades), it'll mess up some sites and won't do anything
           | on a bunch of others because no-one accounts for user-defined
           | colors/margins/fonts anymore when designing for the web, and
           | it has more options than most people want/need to deal with.
           | 
           | A simple browser-provided theme dropdown containing a few
           | nice options, directly in the main browser chrome, from a
           | major browser (perhaps Firefox, back when it still counted as
           | "major") could have changed things completely--see the
           | pressure on sites to support "dark mode" now that that's a
           | simple option to enable.
           | 
           | It'd be nearly impossible to change now, but 10-15 years ago,
           | _maybe_ it could have been changed, if any of the very small
           | number of entities steering the direction of the web had
           | tried.
        
       | zwieback wrote:
       | Good place to ask this: what about the "standard" academic paper
       | font(s) from the LaTeX tradition. I hate it but it gives an
       | immediate gravitas to anything.
        
       | a-dub wrote:
       | > The test stimuli were at an approximate 8th grade reading
       | level, which matches our recommendation for web content targeted
       | at a broad consumer audience.
       | 
       | that's depressing to read. but i suppose different people have
       | different strengths.
        
         | bryanrasmussen wrote:
         | >that's depressing to read
         | 
         | congratulations! Depressing reading is second year of college
         | level!
        
           | a-dub wrote:
           | that's an even more depressing thought.
        
             | bryanrasmussen wrote:
             | tsk, nobody appreciates Sylvia Plath anymore.
        
       | tasuki wrote:
       | I find it hard to believe that Open Sans has the worst
       | readability of all the tested fonts. I'm pretty sure the humanist
       | Open Sans is faster to read than the geometric Avant Garde.
       | 
       | With Garamond winning, what about Palatino and other old-style
       | typefaces? There's a million generic sans-serifs in the study and
       | not a single Didone? Mind, I wouldn't bet on it, but it'd be a
       | more interesting comparison...
        
       | nerdponx wrote:
       | I wish this article included some discussion of serifs on "I" and
       | generally of distinguishing "I" and "l". It's a shame that Clear
       | Sans and Verdana were not included, because they do have a serif
       | "I".
        
       | magios wrote:
       | as usual, it is up to personal preference, but I've used Unifont,
       | specifically Unifont CSUR, a bitmap font, tho in ttf form, as my
       | sole font across the system, terminal, vim and web browser
       | (firefox) which allows me to enforce a singular font in webpages
       | by disabling font downloads, rotation and scaling. for me, it
       | appears that having text align to a grid and not have any
       | annoying ligatures or oversized characters makes it more
       | readable.
        
       | leobg wrote:
       | Much more important than the font, to me, is font size and line
       | width. Plus, for anything of article length, ability to take and
       | export highlights. That's why I import all longer form text into
       | Voice Dream Reader. Browser just isn't the place for reading imo.
        
         | illwrks wrote:
         | 100%.
         | 
         | Line length, line-height and text-size in relation to my
         | distance to the screen are key to comfortable reading.
        
       | bluenose69 wrote:
       | I'm not sure the fonts are the sole consideration, anyway. Let's
       | talk about diagrams.
       | 
       | The original article (https://doi.org/10.1145/3502222) uses the
       | click-a-thumbnail scheme for figures. I'm sure this is the
       | decision of the journal, but it is really quite annoying, since
       | you lose context.
       | 
       | The actual figures are in the authors' control, however, and they
       | are not very clear. Take Figure 2, for a start, which combines an
       | overly small font and low-contrast colours, reducing legibility
       | for no good reason that I can discern.
       | 
       | The PDF is a lot easier to read, as is common with online
       | journals.
       | 
       | I'm not sure how many people will bother trying to read such a
       | long document online, as it is formatted. But sometimes I think
       | the point of such studies is simply to get cited, and this is an
       | ideal paper from that point of view: the title states something
       | that is likely obvious to most people, so this might get cited by
       | quite a few people who don't bother to read the details.
        
       | rbanffy wrote:
       | I really like the readability of avionics screens and their
       | recommendations. I like their simple, mostly monospaced fonts and
       | the uncluttered display panes. I'd love if more monitoring
       | applications used that.
       | 
       | edit:
       | https://www.faa.gov/documentlibrary/media/advisory_circular/...
       | has some interesting guidelines.
        
         | copperx wrote:
         | The lack of antialiasing in many avionics systems is highly
         | detrimental for reading, in my opinion. The use of monospace
         | makes numeric differences more salient, which I assume is a
         | safety advantage. In any case, nobody is reading many words off
         | avionics.
        
           | rbanffy wrote:
           | No. They are more related to the "glanceable" displays
           | mentioned in the article.
        
         | orlp wrote:
         | You'll like https://b612-font.com then.
        
           | rbanffy wrote:
           | I actually dislike this font - it reminds me of Microsoft
           | console fonts. I love its name, however.
        
       | munk-a wrote:
       | Their study excluded Courier New, how rude! But I love reading
       | text with an absolute lack of kerning & multi-character sigils.
       | (I mean this non-sarcastically just to be clear)
       | 
       | I've always found that reading wide text comes at very little
       | legibility cost, personally, so I try and consume data in mono-
       | space whenever possible.
        
       | paulpauper wrote:
       | HN font is good
        
         | Isthatablackgsd wrote:
         | It is Verdana for those who wants to know the font in HN.
        
       | jdrc wrote:
       | the answer is verdana, but they didnt test it.
       | 
       | I dont think this study is well done. Fonts are learned over
       | time, and people's performance will improve, but differently.
       | There's definitely certain fonts that are optimal.
        
         | layer8 wrote:
         | Seconding Verdana, especially on low-DPI screens.
        
         | Daneel_ wrote:
         | I agree. I couldn't help wondering while reading the article if
         | older users are faster with serifed fonts and younger users are
         | faster with sans-serif fonts, however they never touched on it.
        
           | gen3 wrote:
           | > A second interesting age-related finding from the new study
           | is that different fonts performed differently for young and
           | old readers. The authors set their dividing line between
           | young and old at 35 years, which is a lower number than I
           | usually employ, but possibly quite realistic given the age-
           | related performance deterioration they measured.
           | 
           | > 3 fonts were actually better for older users than for
           | younger users: Garamond, Montserrat, and Poynter Gothic. The
           | remaining 13 fonts were better for younger users than for
           | older users, which is to be expected, given that younger
           | users generally performed better in the study.
           | 
           | They kinda did touch on it. From what I can see, letter
           | sizing and kerning looks to make more of a difference.
        
         | vikingerik wrote:
         | I think the answer was Verdana years ago but not so much today
         | with higher dpi screens. Verdana was designed for CRTs around
         | 800x600, with wide letter forms and kerning, to get ample
         | spacing between glyph elements. It's the champion of
         | readability in that format, but on a modern 1920+ display with
         | subpixel rendering rather than an aperture grill, Verdana feels
         | too big and clunky.
        
         | aggie wrote:
         | Is there a better study you can point to? From what I remember
         | looking into this topic the research has always provided
         | ambiguous results with lots of context-dependence.
        
       | layer8 wrote:
       | The article doesn't address font rendering engines, screen DPI
       | and panel type, and font size, which are important factors for
       | which fonts work better than others. But they are right in the
       | conclusion that user customization is needed.
        
       | ZYinMD wrote:
       | If you do CSS you'd know the best fonts for 16px isn't the best
       | fonts for 18px, and definitely not the best fonts for H1 H2 etc.
       | 
       | The Verdana font that HN and reddit uses are pretty good for
       | reading in small text.
        
       | cromniomancer wrote:
        
       | antiterra wrote:
       | > People read 11% slower for every 20 years they age.
       | 
       | How can this be anywhere near a useful or accurate statistic?
       | Surely the rates depend on the age, and there's likely space for
       | significant improvement in someone's 20s.
       | 
       | I can read in the neighborhood of 750wpm with good comprehension
       | while verbalizing. I'm pretty sure I never was able to read at
       | 900wpm no matter how many years you go back. I don't think
       | there's been any meaningful drop at _all_ in the past 20 years.
       | Further, in the next 20 years I wouldn't be surprised if my
       | reading speed took a huge hit, say 30%-50% (or more.) Even if
       | that averaged out to 10% per year, it would be a misleading
       | statistic.
       | 
       | That's also ignoring comprehension and reading level. At 30, I
       | could focus throughout tearing through a Homeric epic and retain
       | a huge amount about the text, including themes, symbolism,
       | metaphors of note, etc. I couldn't do anything like that at 20,
       | even if my raw reading speed was faster.
        
       | Epiphany21 wrote:
       | The characters we use to interact with our computers were mostly
       | designed to be hand-written and minimize the amount of movement
       | your hand has to make going from one letter to the next. I
       | theorize that they don't translate all that well to existing
       | display technologies. Not so much because of the shape of the
       | fonts, but because format isn't conducive to sharing or receiving
       | information as quickly as our machines and our wetware could
       | allow.
       | 
       | If you think about this a little more, programming is actually a
       | way to overcome the limitations of spoken/written languages to an
       | extent, since the machine can parse the text faster than you, and
       | it can read other forms of data that are even more efficient. In
       | my view a monitor displaying human-readable text is similar to a
       | legacy ABI that's kept around because of the technical momentum
       | and mindshare it has, not because it's particularly good.
        
         | Psyladine wrote:
         | >since the machine can parse the text faster than you
         | 
         | You had me up until there; the machine doesn't know jack about
         | text. It knows arrays and sequences of numbers according to the
         | rules we've defined them by, for it.
         | 
         | Yuo cna reda tihs raedliy btu teh copmtuer cna't. Your brain is
         | trained by billions of years of evolution for symbolic parsing
         | and pattern pairing, and language is just one flex of that
         | muscle.
         | 
         | Where computers thrive is where we've done the hard work to
         | break down the syllabic system that is inherent to our biology
         | into mathematical abstractions that can be computed by
         | addition. Computers are great at solving problems we've already
         | done, and repeating the steps, nothing more.
         | 
         | Our machines are beautiful, well designed levers. But they
         | don't move anything, they leverage our movement.
        
           | anonuser123456 wrote:
           | >Yuo cna reda tihs raedliy btu teh copmtuer cna't.
           | 
           | It would be interesting to see what GPT3 would do with this
           | statement.
           | 
           | Edit; just tried it. GPT-3 chatbot understood it instantly.
        
           | Epiphany21 wrote:
           | >Yuo cna reda tihs raedliy btu teh copmtuer cna't.
           | 
           | Why can't it? Isn't that basically what current AI research
           | is doing? Using massively parallel systems to make quick
           | inferences based on existing data sets?
           | 
           | >the machine doesn't know jack about text. It knows arrays
           | and sequences of numbers according to the rules we've defined
           | them by, for it.
           | 
           | If you want to be pedantic and define a computer as the
           | hardware only, sure. The operating system (which contains
           | tools that can in fact parse text) is an essential component
           | in the vast majority of computers in existence. So when I'm
           | discussing computers as a complete, usable unit, then yes,
           | they parse text.
           | 
           | >Our machines are beautiful, well designed levers. But they
           | don't move anything, they leverage our movement.
           | 
           | Well said.
        
       | skilled wrote:
       | Isn't Georgia a very popular font? Interesting to see it isn't
       | mentioned anywhere. It's the preferred font choice for me, but I
       | know a lot of editorials also use it (or a variation of it).
        
         | ghaff wrote:
         | The font choices are a little odd.
         | 
         | There are a number I'm not familiar with or have maybe heard of
         | in passing. But probably Georgia and Verdana in particular seem
         | to be missing.
         | 
         | The delta between Helvetica and Arial also seems a little
         | strange. Yes, there are a few type-nerd differences but AFAIK
         | (feel free to correct) they're basically the same font.
        
       | laristine wrote:
       | I like that the article about best reading font research itself
       | has Arial as its font.
        
       | ggm wrote:
       | depends what you're reading. fixed-width fonts make some inputs
       | easier, like code, and data. So if the word "read" means solely
       | flow text, I can buy an argument the pretty fonts have value
       | which goes to character recognition, kerning, ligatures and the
       | role of caps and serif.
       | 
       | If the word "read" includes "do a rapid scan of a column of data
       | to confidence check it makes sense" or "find the longest number
       | (==longest string) in a list of unsorted numbers" then fixed
       | width will score higher than almost any other quality in my
       | opinion.
       | 
       | My reading of the history of fonts suggests some people thought
       | italianate styled writing was a mistake. florid, and hard to
       | read. to my eyes gothic is sometimes impenetrably hard to read.
        
       | dandongus wrote:
       | Personally speaking, I think it's kind of silly that this article
       | neither mentioned screen resolution nor the font rendering
       | differences inherent to various operating systems.
        
       | timonoko wrote:
       | 1. xkcd-script.ttf
       | 
       | 2. Opera Lyrics Smooth
       | 
       | 3. Crete Round
       | 
       | All others should be banned. Especially creepy spidery fonts on
       | some ebooks.
        
       | tristor wrote:
       | The default font on a Kindle, Bookerly, is pretty great,
       | honestly. Of the ones in the article, I think Lato suits me best.
        
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