[HN Gopher] Multimodal Art
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       Multimodal Art
        
       Author : btdmaster
       Score  : 31 points
       Date   : 2022-04-25 18:13 UTC (4 hours ago)
        
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       | rubinlinux wrote:
       | One of the blogs I read has recently been pulling in this AI art
       | stuff as story images, and I have a really strong reaction to
       | them. They are almost obscene and gross to me to the point where
       | I'm considering unsubscribe. Does anyone else feel this way about
       | these?
       | 
       | It kind of reminds me of
       | http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/blit.htm
        
       | inasmuch wrote:
       | I wonder how long until people and organizations start trying to
       | file copyright claims, etc. against people and organizations who
       | generate AI images (still on the fence about calling this kind of
       | thing "art") using data sets that include their IP.
       | 
       | I confess my understanding of these tools is, at best,
       | rudimentary, but they remind me a bit of sampling in music. In
       | both cases, the source material may be radically distorted to
       | arrive at the final product, but that hasn't mattered in the
       | music biz--if you use it, you need to get it cleared, or you
       | cannot monetize it.
       | 
       | Take the image of the dog with the red ball on this website. What
       | if, in the data the AI was trained on, there was a usage-
       | restricted image of a caramel dog in a grass field with a green
       | ball in his mouth? Would the AI just use that image and change
       | the color of the ball? Would it ignore that easy match and
       | instead generate its own using however many other related images,
       | resulting in something quite visually different from the
       | restricted source image? Does it matter? If the AI-generated
       | image is virtually identical to the source photo, or contains
       | some piece of it fully copied and integrated into the new image
       | (sampled), is that new image legally owned by the person who used
       | the AI?
       | 
       | Can I train an AI on a data set consisting of a single image with
       | a description of it, request an image of that exact description
       | from the AI, and then publish and license the output as my own?
       | If not, how big does a data set have to be before I can claim the
       | output is novel and proprietary? Do a few blurry pixels or lossy
       | compression artifacts prove an image has been sufficiently
       | altered for new commercial use?
        
         | swatcoder wrote:
         | It's going to be a long while before lawyers and judges will be
         | confident enough to pursue and make judgments about generative
         | AI and copyright, exactly because so many novel considerations
         | apply when the association between any given input and the work
         | is essentially inexplicable.
         | 
         | There's precedent in musical sampling, visual collage and
         | assemblage, and poetic cutups, but they don't provide
         | authoritative answers.
         | 
         | By the time the courts or regulators are ready move on the
         | issue, the practice will be so established by big commercial
         | efforts like Copilot that my money is on a fairly permissive
         | approach if only because of inertia.
        
           | inasmuch wrote:
           | > By the time the courts or regulators are ready move on the
           | issue, the practice will be so established by big commercial
           | efforts like Copilot that my money is on a fairly permissive
           | approach if only because of inertia.
           | 
           | Yeah, I think you're probably right about this, for better or
           | worse.
        
         | robbedpeter wrote:
         | old.reddit.com/r/PromptSharing/comments/ubff9u/celestial_sea_fl
         | oor/
         | 
         | This is art. Generative algorithms are simply new tools to work
         | in digital visual media. Fancy stencils. They're tapping into
         | the same algorithms humans might use to generate things by
         | hand, since they're function approximators trained in human
         | output, but they're not ethically or legally more interesting
         | than photoshop, to me, until there's a reason to question
         | whether the tool or software is conscious. Until then, it's
         | cleverly arranged math modules used to good effect.
        
         | 6gvONxR4sf7o wrote:
         | Unfortunately, I think it will require new laws for people to
         | have any control over how their content is used in training ML
         | models. Current models seem sufficiently transformative to meet
         | today's fair use criteria.
         | 
         | > If not, how big does a data set have to be before I can claim
         | the output is novel and proprietary?
         | 
         | There isn't some exact N. That's like asking how tall is tall.
         | It's fuzzy.
        
           | inasmuch wrote:
           | > There isn't some exact N. That's like asking how tall is
           | tall. It's fuzzy.
           | 
           | For sure. That's why I'm kinda surprised corporations aren't
           | already trying to get a head of things and say any use is
           | misuse, especially in the era of trigger-happy DMCA issuers.
           | 
           | Beneath a tinfoil hat, I'm inclined to think the IP holders
           | most likely to issue these takedowns see the potential in
           | low-to-no-cost content generation and want to be able to use
           | this technology themselves. Much has been said about the pop
           | music formula--how nice would it be to license software to
           | generate hit singles instead of dealing with pesky creative
           | types?
        
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