[HN Gopher] Multimodal Art ___________________________________________________________________ Multimodal Art Author : btdmaster Score : 31 points Date : 2022-04-25 18:13 UTC (4 hours ago) (HTM) web link (multimodal.art) (TXT) w3m dump (multimodal.art) | rubinlinux wrote: | One of the blogs I read has recently been pulling in this AI art | stuff as story images, and I have a really strong reaction to | them. They are almost obscene and gross to me to the point where | I'm considering unsubscribe. Does anyone else feel this way about | these? | | It kind of reminds me of | http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/blit.htm | inasmuch wrote: | I wonder how long until people and organizations start trying to | file copyright claims, etc. against people and organizations who | generate AI images (still on the fence about calling this kind of | thing "art") using data sets that include their IP. | | I confess my understanding of these tools is, at best, | rudimentary, but they remind me a bit of sampling in music. In | both cases, the source material may be radically distorted to | arrive at the final product, but that hasn't mattered in the | music biz--if you use it, you need to get it cleared, or you | cannot monetize it. | | Take the image of the dog with the red ball on this website. What | if, in the data the AI was trained on, there was a usage- | restricted image of a caramel dog in a grass field with a green | ball in his mouth? Would the AI just use that image and change | the color of the ball? Would it ignore that easy match and | instead generate its own using however many other related images, | resulting in something quite visually different from the | restricted source image? Does it matter? If the AI-generated | image is virtually identical to the source photo, or contains | some piece of it fully copied and integrated into the new image | (sampled), is that new image legally owned by the person who used | the AI? | | Can I train an AI on a data set consisting of a single image with | a description of it, request an image of that exact description | from the AI, and then publish and license the output as my own? | If not, how big does a data set have to be before I can claim the | output is novel and proprietary? Do a few blurry pixels or lossy | compression artifacts prove an image has been sufficiently | altered for new commercial use? | swatcoder wrote: | It's going to be a long while before lawyers and judges will be | confident enough to pursue and make judgments about generative | AI and copyright, exactly because so many novel considerations | apply when the association between any given input and the work | is essentially inexplicable. | | There's precedent in musical sampling, visual collage and | assemblage, and poetic cutups, but they don't provide | authoritative answers. | | By the time the courts or regulators are ready move on the | issue, the practice will be so established by big commercial | efforts like Copilot that my money is on a fairly permissive | approach if only because of inertia. | inasmuch wrote: | > By the time the courts or regulators are ready move on the | issue, the practice will be so established by big commercial | efforts like Copilot that my money is on a fairly permissive | approach if only because of inertia. | | Yeah, I think you're probably right about this, for better or | worse. | robbedpeter wrote: | old.reddit.com/r/PromptSharing/comments/ubff9u/celestial_sea_fl | oor/ | | This is art. Generative algorithms are simply new tools to work | in digital visual media. Fancy stencils. They're tapping into | the same algorithms humans might use to generate things by | hand, since they're function approximators trained in human | output, but they're not ethically or legally more interesting | than photoshop, to me, until there's a reason to question | whether the tool or software is conscious. Until then, it's | cleverly arranged math modules used to good effect. | 6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: | Unfortunately, I think it will require new laws for people to | have any control over how their content is used in training ML | models. Current models seem sufficiently transformative to meet | today's fair use criteria. | | > If not, how big does a data set have to be before I can claim | the output is novel and proprietary? | | There isn't some exact N. That's like asking how tall is tall. | It's fuzzy. | inasmuch wrote: | > There isn't some exact N. That's like asking how tall is | tall. It's fuzzy. | | For sure. That's why I'm kinda surprised corporations aren't | already trying to get a head of things and say any use is | misuse, especially in the era of trigger-happy DMCA issuers. | | Beneath a tinfoil hat, I'm inclined to think the IP holders | most likely to issue these takedowns see the potential in | low-to-no-cost content generation and want to be able to use | this technology themselves. Much has been said about the pop | music formula--how nice would it be to license software to | generate hit singles instead of dealing with pesky creative | types? ___________________________________________________________________ (page generated 2022-04-25 23:01 UTC)